Casino Reps Please Respond Here

Much respect to Mr. Nicolas Johnson for having the Grapes to take
on the responsibility of stepping up to the plate and to take
on everybody's questions without getting to aggravated.

All this talk about numbers and RTP is giving me a headache.
IMO, I still say "ya win some, ya lose some" when I talk about gambling.
 
Can your casino regardless if it could be done at the back-end or needed to be requested and approved via your software provider; change the HOUSE EDGE PERCENTAGE Setting on Video Poker?


To be perfectly honest, I don't understand most of the comments on this thread.

Question to you 4OAK...why does this matter? (your quote above)

If I am understanding this correctly, couldn't they do this for slots as well?
 
Whether the software is on their servers or ours, doesn't matter much from my understanding. The thing is, the casino licensees don't have the source code to change things. If casinos had all the source code, they could simply stop working with the software providers.



As far as I'm concerned: No, not with RTG or Rival. I can't guarantee that though, I'm not a casino owner, I don't have master access. But in general, if that would be the case, I'd more than likely know about it.



Well, assuming they didn't use different rules, different number of decks, etc, then from my understanding you would be right. But again, keep in mind this is my understanding. :)

I'm not an expert on the topic. This is getting awfully technical, and I'd like to have more answers, but I think it would be good to invite some casino odds expert like Wizard Odds people to really help you all get down to the bottom of this. :notworthy

I can explain the concepts of RTP and RNG, but the level of technical understanding that we are headed into is starting to go over my head to be honest, sorry. :oops:

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliates Manager

Nicolas, I have a great deal of respect for you, but I know for a FACT that any sophisticated, savvy software engineer/operator(I am married to one) can change anything to anything at will, no private/special code needed!
 
Whether the software is on their servers or ours, doesn't matter much from my understanding. The thing is, the casino licensees don't have the source code to change things. If casinos had all the source code, they could simply stop working with the software providers.



As far as I'm concerned: No, not with RTG or Rival. I can't guarantee that though, I'm not a casino owner, I don't have master access. But in general, if that would be the case, I'd more than likely know about it.



Well, assuming they didn't use different rules, different number of decks, etc, then from my understanding you would be right. But again, keep in mind this is my understanding. :)

I'm not an expert on the topic. This is getting awfully technical, and I'd like to have more answers, but I think it would be good to invite some casino odds expert like Wizard Odds people to really help you all get down to the bottom of this. :notworthy

I can explain the concepts of RTP and RNG, but the level of technical understanding that we are headed into is starting to go over my head to be honest, sorry. :oops:

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliates Manager

The problem is you can not tell people that the games are definitely fair and start making definitive statements about the software and then say you don't have the technical knowledge to back this up.
I'm not saying anything you said is wrong though and fair play for coming in to bat on a sticky wicket.:thumbsup:

Personally I have not played much VP online but I am sure it is just as fair as the slots if not more so and I guess the theoretical RTP is based on perfect strategy, max coins as well.

I guess I could go and scour all the online casinos that divulge the RTP of their games and see if they match exactly - which if what you say is true they obviously should (caveats aside) - but I wont.
Someone else who plays VP can do that if they wish.:)
 
Can your casino regardless if it could be done at the back-end or needed to be requested and approved via your software provider; change the HOUSE EDGE PERCENTAGE Setting on Video Poker?


To be perfectly honest, I don't understand most of the comments on this thread.

Question to you 4OAK...why does this matter? (your quote above)

If I am understanding this correctly, couldn't they do this for slots as well?


Exactly my point...
 
Well then you are never getting a true answer to your question.

I remember when I first joined here maybe a year or so later...people were talking about "rigging" "changing odds" what have you...and I said almost exactly what Slotjunkie just said, but worded it like....it's a machine, it can be programmed however you want to program it.
 
Hiya: Many years ago there was a casino called Global Player Casino. It use to run a full back page cover add on a gambling magazine called, "Chance".
I had bought that magazine at a store here in Vegas, and then played at the Casino. I got paid prompley. They are not around anymore.

Just like today, players do not trust the, "well know" RNG providers, and the like. So, Global Player created their own RNG. Were they embraced for it? Of course not. They were battered to Hell & back. "Why not use one of the RNGs that all the other casino's are using"? Everyone assumed the logical answer was, "So they know the source code, and can cheat players, an manipulate any game, at any time they see fit".

So, adding this to the current thread here, "What is a casino to do"? It just seems you are Dammed no matter what you do?
 
Can your casino regardless if it could be done at the back-end or needed to be requested and approved via your software provider; change the HOUSE EDGE PERCENTAGE Setting on Video Poker?

As far as I'm concerned: No, not with RTG or Rival. I can't guarantee that though, I'm not a casino owner, I don't have master access. But in general, if that would be the case, I'd more than likely know about it.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliates Manager

I'm glad you stated you can't guarantee your personal believes or what you more then likely should know. Personally these comments are making you sound like a person hedging his bet (reputation) against the future.

Why is such basic information being withheld from us? The question above is what this whole thread is about, and after all this hoopla is still unanswered. No one is asking about how you throw the dice or flip a coin, or probabilities, nor is anyone asking for what you personally believe or about 3rd party audits or the wizard of oz.

Is the video poker software programmed to give results based on 100% random 52 card deck draw, or are the results being based on pre-determined house edge percentage settings?

This question has nothing to do with rigged, cheating, conspiracy's, or anything even slightly similar.

It's obvious we're not in a position to rub elbows with any owners, or are able to talk directly with RTG. Besides I thought you were going to bring this question forward to RTG, so why bother the owner, or explain to us what you believe.

This is the response from the New Jersey Gaming Commission when asked the same question:

"video-poker machines must conform to the same payback percentage range as any other slot machine, that is 83% to 99% return, "they are considered slot machines" and that there are no separate requirements for them"

No one's asking or care if, when or how the house edge could be adjusted. We just want to know the type of video poker game your asking us to gamble against.

I give you credit Nicolas for even having the balls to make an appearance here, and that alone says a lot for the trust you must have for Bet Phoenix. Your efforts and loyalty I hope are being noticed.
 
4 of a kind....

As I play an absurd amount of blackjack online, I am obviously more interested in the truth about table play, but since you are the video poker expert....let me just make sure I understand what you are asking:

And this should maybe make it simple for other reps to just answer this one question:

Full pay jacks or better (9/6) has a theo return to player of 99.54%
Can the casino change the payout of this game to, say 96%, while leaving the paytable the same?

This is the crux of this thread, yes?
 
But then, if you really wanted to go off on conspiracies you could say Vegas casinos don't shuffle the cards, roulette wheels have stop buttons, dice are weighed in the casino's favor, etc. If you are going to go off into deep, totally unproven, baseless conspiracies, why stop online?

Nicolas,

First and foremost, I Applaud You for taking the decision to avail yourself and participate in this debate.

Based on the above quote - I would say that no such conspiracies exist for B&M Casinos merely because there are manual shoes on tables or shuffling machines in full view of the public.

Roulette wheels are visible and in some instances (in the case of serviceable wheels) serviced in full view of the public. It’s obvious there are no electronics here :)

In light of a previous statement: B&M Casinos are subject to stringent Rules and Regulations. They are audited by the respective board who grants them a licence and subject to further internal and external audits. They are required to abide by certain licence conditions in order to operate.

With the above being said, when a B&M casino purchases a specific game type (Insert Manufacturer Here), the Casino has the option of setting the RTP from 3 possible manufacturer specified RTP's. Once the RTP has been set, the licensing authority signs those machines off for play.

In the event that a game change or setting change has to occur, the Casino may alter the RTP on its own without the permission of the Software Provider - These are settings that are provided. With the amount of Casinos in operation, it will be a laborious task for each manufacturer to be able to grant permission or send a technician to change settings.

Well, in getting to my point - I believe that Online Casinos are able to adjust the RTP as they see fit, without the intervention of a software provider.

When settings are changed / setup on a new casino begins: Does the relevant licensing authority ensure that the setup complies with standards?

Nate
 
Hiya Guys,

First off, there seem to be a few misunderstandings and people using the same terms to talk about different things in this thread. A coupe of pointers for those who are interested in having a clear picture for themselves.

The first issue I would like to address is the confusion caused by statements as 'on RTG software, the RTP for slots can be set to 3 different values'. Putting it like that creates a wrong idea. I would suggest the following wording 'on RTG software, the reel strip layout can be set to three different setups, each resulting in a different RTP'.

On the slots, pokers and table games you all know (minus the AWP games some operators offer), the RTP can never be set directly. Instead the RTP is simply the expected value for a certain reel strip layout, paytable and or ruleset.

To make an explicit comparison between slots and video poker, imagine the simplified single reel slot with a reel strip layout of 52 slot symbols that happen to be playing cards. Imagine a paytable where only the queen of hearts pays (lets say 50 times stake).

Also imagine the equivalent famous single card video poker game with a paytable where the queen of hearts pays 50 times stake.

For the slot, a typical casino server would draw a random reel stop position between 1 and 52, the slot machine would hit 50 on average 1 in 52 times. (50/52 = 96.1% RTP)

For the video poker, a typical casino server would shuffle a 52 card deck and draw a single card. It would also pay 50 on average 1 in 52 times. (50 / 52 = 96.1% RTP)

A software manufacturer that wishes to offer his casino clients the possibility of different RTP's can do this really easily on the slot machine by adding an extra say 2 of diamonds anywhere in the reel strip. This would mean a strip of 53 symbols resulting in an RTP of 50/53 = 94.3% - alternatively he could also change the paytable to simply show a different amount .. e.g. 51. The RTP would then become 51/52 or 98%.

On the videopoker the only option he has is to change the paytable. (since a deck of cards - unlike a reel strip - is well defined.). Therefor if you find a VP game with a well-known paytable advertising a different RTP - then either their advertising or their software is fubar.

For a game like blackjack the RTP is determined solely by the ruleset. There's a handy calculator on the wizard of odds that will show you what the house-edge is for a particular set of blackjack rules.

So to summarize, the RTP of a slot machine is determined by the reel layout and the paytable, the RTP of a video poker by the paytable only. For all these games however RTP is a derived number, a result of the specifics of the game - and not an 'input'.

Important to realize is that for these types of games, the casino needs to maintain a float. It is perfectly possible that the first spin on a slot machine or the first hand of VP ever played pays out the top win - about 50% of the cases machines that are started start off with bad luck for the casino meaning it can take months before the house-edge catches up to early big hits.

This is not the case for what is commonly called AWP machines (also fruity's) .. AWP games are programmed quite differently. They are setup to never pay out above a preset percentage. For the old UK fruity's the technique commonly used was to have a machine that pays naturally over 100% and redraw spins that would put the current RTP over a set percentage. The net result of this is a machine that never pays out more than the total stake made on it. Experienced players would be able to play these machines and get a feel of whether or not hits were being capped. (i.e. with enough play you would be able to notice if the machine had room for a payout). This forum has some players who's hobby it used to be to drive from pub to pub cashing out on the machines that were 'hot'.

There are software providers out there that offer AWP games, afaik they mention it clearly - failing to do that would be extremely unethical in my book. 3Dice offers no AWP games.

Ok, I hope that clears a few things up - in particular why the statement in the first paragraph might not be the best way to put it.

Now, as far as 3Dice is concerned. All of our slot games use perfectly random distributed reel stop positions (third party verified) - and the payout is determined solely by the reel layout and paytable. None of our reel layouts has ever changed and there are no options to do so.

Our video pokers payout is solely determined by the paytable and the decks used are perfectly normal random shuffled decks (also third party verified). The RTP's for all our VP games can be found simply by looking up the RTP for the paytables. (one of the members here has a great overview at
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The RTP's of all our other games like blackjack, craps etc are all determined by the game rules and can also easily be found online.

To put it in a single-liner :

All of the games offered at 3Dice are driven by a third party verified RNG, and the RTP is never a setup value but rather the result of a uniform distribution with the specific reel layouts, paytables and rule-sets of the games.

Kindest Regards,

Enzo
 
4 of a kind....

As I play an absurd amount of blackjack online, I am obviously more interested in the truth about table play, but since you are the video poker expert....let me just make sure I understand what you are asking:

And this should maybe make it simple for other reps to just answer this one question:

Full pay jacks or better (9/6) has a theo return to player of 99.54%
Can the casino change the payout of this game to, say 96%, while leaving the paytable the same?

This is the crux of this thread, yes?


Exactly correct...

Within the article I keep referring to about the discussion with the New Jersey Gaming Commission, when these questions were asked:

When I asked him if video poker must be based on a totally random shuffling of the cards, and that each hand must theoretically appear with its expected frequency, he (NJGC) stated that there were only two criteria for the machine. The first— “that it falls within the payback scheme” (83% to 99%) and the second that "every sequence be in the programming."

"But that means," I said, " that if a natural royal flush is a 40,000 to one shot, the machine could be programmed to pay it once in every 300,000 hands or more?"

"Yes," he said. "The machine has to have the royal flush sequence in the programming just as a slot machine would have to have for example the triple 7's but the frequency is up to the programming."

The game will be random, yes, but random the way a slot machine is random—that is, based on a program that dictates the probabilities and not based on the probabilities in a 52 (or 53) card deck.

Hence the pay table being displayed on Video Poker machines would be no different then viewing the pay tables on slot machines. If the hands displayed are hit they will in fact pay accordingly with what is displayed. But the expected probabilities of these hands being drawn with random 52 card deck draws would be non-existent instead based on a program that dictates the probabilities.

Personally I don't think the question is all that complicated or any need requiring these endless explanations. Just like Atlantic city when everyone assumed video poker machines were the same criteria has in Las Vegas (random 52 deck draw) until somebody asked.
 
4 of a kind....

As I play an absurd amount of blackjack online, I am obviously more interested in the truth about table play, but since you are the video poker expert....let me just make sure I understand what you are asking:

And this should maybe make it simple for other reps to just answer this one question:

Full pay jacks or better (9/6) has a theo return to player of 99.54%
Can the casino change the payout of this game to, say 96%, while leaving the paytable the same?

This is the crux of this thread, yes?

Ofcourse not. If you changed RTP to 96% the paytable would be inaccurate. So it couldn't be done legally.

IMO the Casino reps are not the right people to ask because their level of knowledge varies enormously. Nicolas and Enzo are very good but clearly the SEGA information is misleading and inaccurate.

4OAK if you want your question answered you are better off asking the Wizard. Or you could right to either Gibralter or the Alderney gambling commission. Or even write to Playtech or someone direct.
 
Enzo
The first issue I would like to address is the confusion caused by statements as 'on RTG software, the RTP for slots can be set to 3 different values'. Putting it like that creates a wrong idea. I would suggest the following wording 'on RTG software, the reel strip layout can be set to three different setups, each resulting in a different RTP'.

Ah, this old chestnut.
And any Casino has to write off to RTG and ask politely if they would mind ever so much uploading the 93% version of a slot and then a few days later they will upload the new version of the slot - but of course they very, very rarely change the slots and the lowest possible setting is 91% and we all lived happily ever after.

I have to ask where you got this in depth working knowledge of the RTG software Enzo, was it the same place as me - RTG? :p

For sure the reels strips can be changed but the feature trigger frequency is also weighted, unless the reels strips are altered in real time (which pretty much amounts to the same) but you are not saying that are you?
Not to mention that the bonus round wins do not maintain the same probability each round.

Anyone who has played RTG and other software slots a great deal will know that the coincidence of infrequent scatters, less wins and poor paying bonus rounds all happening together occurs with supernatural frequency and a high paying slot can turn into a dead slot in a moment - not up and down, up and down.
strrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreak...strrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreak.

For example I recently made a decent cashout at a Playtech Casino which put me in front.
How do you think those same hot slots played over my next dozen deposits and week of gaming?
From a dozen slots not one paid over 91% and the majority paid closer to 50% or even less - in all my RTP over that period was close to 55% all games.

Just another coincidence right?
The same coincidence that I have repeated a thousand times before?
Bollocks.

They may conform to industry standards and have an overall RTP of 95% or whatever but no way on this Earth are RTG, MGS, Playtech slots not weighted. Period.
 
They may conform to industry standards and have an overall RTP of 95% or whatever but no way on this Earth are RTG, MGS, Playtech slots not weighted. Period.

A question related to the question of weighted returns (which I presume means the software is written to return to the player an amount proportional to what they have fed):

If you believe that online casinos 'weight' their games, then does that mean a smart gambler declines to use a loyalty card when they are at bricks&mortar casinos? Has anyone played substantially both with and without a loyalty card, and if so, have they detected a difference in terms of their B&M RTP?
 
If you believe that online casinos 'weight' their games, then does that mean a smart gambler declines to use a loyalty card when they are at bricks&mortar casinos? Has anyone played substantially both with and without a loyalty card, and if so, have they detected a difference in terms of their B&M RTP?[/QUOTE]

this is not a derail just adding some info ive often wondered bout hope you dont mind )
B&M in uk show the 95% or 97% somewhere on the front of the machine , loyalty over here in uk is another story whilst playing in your favorite casino though i may say B&M have treated me far better from gambling points & returns though this has no difference in being treated well or rtp ( thats luck on what machine i play) but i shall say from over ten years of playing online i can pick up the odds of machines knowing that youve had a very good run , we all know this does not continue & all of a sudden , almost like a switch you get to a point then bang your returns go so low its a joke , theres something behind this almost as if the software knows to a penny how much youve spent, what youve played where your good run was how much you won ,how much your above in totals from deposits & how much your winning from a casino ,if like many of you point out the software was random then im thinking this would not happen over maybe a 1000,s of times over the years,no one could be that unlucky all the time , if the software was purely random then we wouldnt see this all the time ,im trying to look at this as odds & this isnt about losing either ,i just think that it maybe set @95% but if youve some monies somewhere its going to take you down & thats the point where i would like answers of tracking ? as i was speaking to rusty the other day in the forum he too picked up the same points i was thinking , well we may live in the uk but were both from different parts , how is it that a long standing players know how this happens ? it doesnt say that the rtp% is wrong at all just kind of funny that it happens so much yet @ B&M i cannot say it has & thats in 18 years of playing, would like peoples thoughts on this i know its a hard one to comment on but if everyone could add there little bit we could at least break it down slightly,
 
It'd be a bit of a pain in the ass but maybe some of these casino's would be willing to post winners and amounts cashed out for a given month. I think alot of people aren't winning because alot more people are playing. and as 3 dice said fairly often a new machine forks out wins early and then it takes month's for the house edge to catch up. That makes me logically believe the machines go tight
 
Hiya: Some Casino's, in their news letters, do tell you who the Big winners were that week/month, and so on. I remember a Casino had it in their T&C, that they reserved the right to use your screen name for promotional purposes. Kind of like the Local casino's here in Vegas that have a entire wall of slot machine winners holding up the cash they won.
 
Hiya: Some Casino's, in their news letters, do tell you who the Big winners were that week/month, and so on. I remember a Casino had it in their T&C, that they reserved the right to use your screen name for promotional purposes. Kind of like the Local casino's here in Vegas that have a entire wall of slot machine winners holding up the cash they won.

sorry i should have been more clear i don't mean just the big winners but all winners. if they bring in a million show us where they paid out 950 grand. The more I think of 3 dice statement that the machines can pay out big and then take months for house edge to catch up the more i wonder.

Say xmen paid out 100 grand to joe blow it is then programmed to take in 105 grand before it is at 95% RTP again. BUT it also would still be considered legit if it took in 200 grand before spitting any back so long as it shelled out 95 grand somwhere along the way from the second 100 grand.

if done as small wins say 10-15 bucks nobody cashes these but plays em back. The machine is paying out according to rules etc. but the money is not leaving the casino. If set up like this with a long enough reel strip (say 5 years) the casino could close or sell (causing a reset of reel strips to begininng) and though the machines were legit and verified etc. The owner never had to pay shit because he got out before the big RTP's happened.

This is a plausible conspiracy theory IMO
 
How can I help here

Greetings,

How can I help here?

I did change my opinion on the matter of 3 Dice Blackjack from an initial assessment, but this was due to an error in my procedures. My original opinion was that their game required further auditing (and they did eventually get that audit). My later opinion was that the game was fair as-is. I believe to this day that their game was fair at the time. I found no problems whatsoever with Three Dice blackjack after reconsidering my audit. Initially Nash sent payment for this work. After I determined my errors, I returned his fee.

Nash and I had several long conversations in the fall of 2007 about this, and I thought he understood my situation. I lost both parents in 2007 and was in bad shape in many ways. My work was sloppy and I apologized to him personally and on this board. I corrected my work and sent the corrections to him. He accepted them gracefully at the time, and I thought we had an understanding on the matter. It appears that is not the case.

I am not sure what else to say on the matter. I thought it was long gone. Understanding that certain matters must be kept confidential, please let me know if there are any other questions,

--Eliot
 
Greetings,

How can I help here?

I did change my opinion on the matter of 3 Dice Blackjack from an initial assessment, but this was due to an error in my procedures. My original opinion was that their game required further auditing (and they did eventually get that audit). My later opinion was that the game was fair as-is. I believe to this day that their game was fair at the time. I found no problems whatsoever with Three Dice blackjack after reconsidering my audit. Initially Nash sent payment for this work. After I determined my errors, I returned his fee.

Nash and I had several long conversations in the fall of 2007 about this, and I thought he understood my situation. I lost both parents in 2007 and was in bad shape in many ways. My work was sloppy and I apologized to him personally and on this board. I corrected my work and sent the corrections to him. He accepted them gracefully at the time, and I thought we had an understanding on the matter. It appears that is not the case.

I am not sure what else to say on the matter. I thought it was long gone. Understanding that certain matters must be kept confidential, please let me know if there are any other questions,

--Eliot
The whole audit with it's multiple Statement of Findings was a joke and still is as you continue to avoid full transparency.

One betrayal I forgave. (I knew of you and your outstanding reputation long before I ever visited this site. In fact, I had even ordered twelve of your BJ books directly from your publisher before I ever visited this site). What you did in later January and February of 2008 after you begged me via PM and phone to allow you one more chance (to clean up the audit but with no changes to the data, only wording):mad::mad:, hell I could no longer forgive you nor trust you professionally. Yet, have I not honored to this day your multiple requests to keep most details pursuant of the audit (fiasco) and imo your possible malfeasance off the public forums despite you willfully deceiving me for the benefit of yourself and I must assume 3 Dice?

That said, instead in the past (including on this forum) I have requested that you be the one to become fully transparent on all the issues pursuant to the entire audit and even moreso your final conclusions via your final 5th or 6th SOF whereby imv and based on the evidence there are multiple malfeasances and/or deceptions.

A few preliminary questions Eliot per your post today:

Do you recollect saying to me before the audit, auditors can not simply afford to make mistakes? You made one minor insignificant mistake on your initial Statement of Findings pursuant to Aces, correct?

Did Enzo cooperate in providing the hand histories initially in the way the hand histories were professionally requested in a professional manner for an auditor? In what form were the requested hand histories sent initially. Were they sent in full? In your professional opinion could the hand histories possibly have even been manipulated? If so, did any of your multiple SoF's ever note this?

Were you intimidated by the outrageous and belligerent behavior (ftr, not towards me but towards you Eliot) of Enzo and I also believe Bob upon your presenting to them your initial audit Statement of Findings? If so, how often were you intimidated by them??

Were you simply massaging my ego both before and during the audit when you said on several occasions via the phone that with exception of some card counters and Bob N., that my knowledge of the game of Blackjack was superior to anyone you had ever discussed the game with?

Did you submit an invoice for the subject audit after you made your minor corrections to the initial SoF on or around Dec. 10, 2007? Did this invoice state "ALL WORK COMPLETE" ? Did I email a copy of my online banking confirm to you as a courtesy that confirmed that I made payment in full within 24 hours of receipt of your "ALL WORK COMPLETE" invoice?

Therafter, did I ever request a refund of your paid in full invoice? If so, when? Upon receipt of my check, did I have any knowledge that you chose to refund it in full and also via overnight delivery. During this period and thereafter, were you still engaging in conversations (that is plural) with Enzo and perhaps Bob?

To Be Continued!! Get your popcorn!!
 
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You made one minor insignificant mistake on your initial Statement of Findings pursuant to Aces, correct?
Yes, I did not originally account for splitting aces in the distribution of aces in the first two cards.

Did Enzo cooperate in eventually providing the hand histories initially in the way the hand histories were requested in a professional manner for an auditor?
Yes, Enzo and 3 Dice cooperated.

In what form were the requested hand histories sent initially.
I just double checked. I received a CSV file.

Were they sent in full?
The log I received covered play from 09/30/2007 through 12/05/2007. The log was complete for that period of play.

In your professional opinion could the hand histories possibly have even been manipulated?
No.

I think it is important to understand the big error I made, the one that needed to be corrected. This is due to a phenomena called "hindsight bias." See
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. The way this works is that one analyzes some data, and then finds those data points that are furthest away from normal and claim this is proof of bias. Among any data, some points will be more "average" than others -- that's the nature of the bell curve. One can't select the events along the tail of the curve after-the-fact and claim bias based on those points. This is a common error in statistical analysis, and is one I should have avoided. The numbers I arrived at through my data processing were correct (after the issues with Aces was fixed), but it is my conclusions that were in error.

I will be happy to answer other questions directly related to the fairness of the blackjack game at 3 Dice at the time of the audit. I also ask that you not provide personal information about our conversations, phone calls, payments or e-mail exchanges in the guise of questions. Matters of confidentiality must be respected if you want to have your questions answered about the audit. I ask that you edit your post and remove those questions.

Kind regards,

Eliot
 
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Yes, I did not originally account for splitting aces in the distribution of aces in the first two cards.


Yes, Enzo and 3 Dice cooperated.


I just double checked. I received a CSV file.


The log I received covered play from 09/30/2007 through 12/05/2007. The log was complete for that period of play.


No.

I will be happy to answer other questions directly related to the fairness of the blackjack game at 3 Dice at the time of the audit. I also ask that you not provide personal information about our conversations, phone calls or e-mail exchanges in the guise of questions. Matters of confidentiality must be respected if you want to have your questions answered about the audit. I ask that you edit your post and remove those questions.

Kind regards,

Eliot
Can you not tolerate the truth? Confidentiality , my ass, I suppose you can explain the confidentiality of Enzo posting your bogus final (5th or 6th) SOF aka audit:rolleyes: to the 3Dice server as well as provide it to his player's with my personal information included. Dark Mage would post it "ditto" here also.

As to your answers above that you culled for reply (I edited via deletion the word "eventually" prior to your reply, fyi) most are not complete answers so perhaps I should be even more specific in my questions if you can tolerate them.
 
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Yes, I did not originally account for splitting aces in the distribution of aces in the first two cards.


Yes, Enzo and 3 Dice cooperated.


I just double checked. I received a CSV file.


The log I received covered play from 09/30/2007 through 12/05/2007. The log was complete for that period of play.


No.

I think it is important to understand the big error I made, the one that needed to be corrected. This is due to a phenomena called "hindsight bias." See
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. The way this works is that one analyzes some data, and then finds those data points that are furthest away from normal and claim this is proof of bias. Among any data, some points will be more "average" than others -- that's the nature of the bell curve. One can't select the events along the tail of the curve after-the-fact and claim bias based on those points. This is a common error in statistical analysis, and is one I should have avoided. The numbers I arrived at through my data processing were correct (after the issues with Aces was fixed), but it is my conclusions that were in error.

I will be happy to answer other questions directly related to the fairness of the blackjack game at 3 Dice at the time of the audit. I also ask that you not provide personal information about our conversations, phone calls, payments or e-mail exchanges in the guise of questions. Matters of confidentiality must be respected if you want to have your questions answered about the audit. I ask that you edit your post and remove those questions.

Kind regards,

Eliot
No way but you have been sucessful in the past in having my posts removed. You are in the States and if I have damaged you, you can attempt to prove it.
 

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