Casino Neo Max - Maintenance?

[tom]

Anyone got news on Casino Neo Max? They have been down for "maintenance" for about two weeks. They are not answering my calls or email.

 

[sirius]

Ask the webmaster at bet2gamble.com. He says he knows the owners and advertised them for a few months. The casino is very probably rigged though. I had results with an overall probability of less than 0.00002 when I played several sessions there. A lot of other people were complaining too.

 

[The Dude]

They are still down for maintenance.

Japanese based: 777.com

Registrant:
DUKE DAVIDSON (777-N4-DOM)
Tenjinbashi 2-18-301
Osaka 5300041
JP

Domain Name: 777.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Yamatake, Norizou (26696672I) nori@777.com
Tenjinbashi 2-18-301
Osaka, Osaka 530-0041
JP
777-777-7777 fax: 123 123 1234

Record expires on 31-Oct-2006.
Record created on 01-Nov-1996.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.BEARS.CO.JP 210.233.50.226
DNS.BEARS.CO.JP 210.233.50.232

 

[schankwart]

This place has been an evil moneyhole from its very beginning!
I have played there a couple times and dropped my money in record-time playing BJ, there was absolutely no way for me to win anything and they did not even try to hide "it"...

...now make your own conclusion.

There have also been some reports about bounced cheques a while back, I do not know how those stories ended up though.

I am glad to see this crap being down now, I hope noone here has been screwed by them as well.

 

[The Dude]

This is cute:
777-777-7777 fax: 123 123 1234

I haven't received a response from anyone yet. For a casino to go into a maintenace mode is not unusual. But to not notify players that it would be offline is a bad sign.

 

[jetset]

Two weeks of downtime is excessive to say the least, and not a good omen.

I thought these guys were supposed to be a well-funded (but publicity-shy) Asian public company???

 

[sirius]

Goldplay sold the source code of the Neo Max casino software to JASB (a Japanese company) in 1997/98 on condition that it could only be used or modified by JASB and it's subsidiaries. Neo Max at least used to be a subsidiary and the download for the various casinos usually says Neo Max casino (it was also the original name of the license for the Max Skyweb casinos). Even the recent InCashCasino (the same software) was called Neo Max in the installation.

777.com were using the same license and it expired quite a few months ago now (it's a five year license). Although they said they'd renew it, I don't know if they ever did. The could have just been extracting the last use from the old license. 777.com still used the same ecash company as the other max skyweb casinos and bank wires are sent to the same bank account for all of them.

They used to be big spammers too five years ago:

From: toyo (toyo@jasb.qc.ca)
Subject: Looking for Japan E-mail Addresses
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Newsgroups: alt.business
Date: 1998/05/27


OUR COMPANY IS LOOKING FOR BULK CD OR E-MAIL ADDRESS LIST
IN JAPAN, U.K AND AUSTRALIA.
IF YOU HAVE THESE CDS, WE WILL BUY THEM.
PLEASE CONTACT AS FOLLOS,

--
---------------------------------------------

Jasb Quebec inc.
1155 Rene-Levesque west
suite 2910 Montreal PQ.
Canada H3B2L3
Tel 514-398-0780
Fax 514-398-0953
E-mail toyo@jasb.qc.ca
ICQ 11835584
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From: Sherwin de Leon (sherwin@jasb.qc.ca)
Subject: Wanted: Accountant and Customer Service
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Newsgroups: qc.jobs
Date: 1998/07/02


A Japanese Internet-based firm located in downtown Montreal
is in urgent need of the following staffs:


POSITION: ACCOUNTING CLERK

Qualification:
-experience with simple accounting software
-good knowledge in MS Excel
-must be able to work during weekends
-1-2 years experience in accounting field
-Fast learner, team player and has good analytical skill

Duties:

A/P, A/R, Payroll, government reports and prepare daily analysis report






POSITION: CUSTOMER SERVICE


Qualifications:

-minimum 2 years experince
-basic computer knowledge
-fluent in English
-willing to stay in the Carribean for at least 6 months


Duties:

reply to customers' request, answer the phone, keep records of client
transaction using
a database application.


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Please forward CV to:

JASB Quebec Inc.
Fax (514) 398-0953
Attn: Mr. Magdy Salib



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From: Sherwin de Leon (sherwin@jasb.qc.ca)
Subject: --- Database Specialist ---
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Newsgroups: qc.jobs
Date: 1998/08/12


A fast-growing downtown
Montreal Internet-based firm seeks :

***** Database Developer ****

Qualification:
- 2 years or more experience in MS SQL
- strong knowledge in online
database administration and security system
- must know how to administer and set-up remote SQL database and
Transaction servers
- Knowledgeable of online credit card transaction systems
- excellent communication skill

Please Email CV to sherwin@jasb.qc.ca
(CV should be in ASCII or MS Word format with salary requirement)


From: the-letterwriter (letterwriter@letterwriter.net)
Subject: Re: Casino Spam


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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Date: 1999/11/11


the-letterwriter >,letterwriter@letterwriter.net<, schrieb in im
Newsbeitrag: 942346369.808633@news.kkf.net...
<, This is hardly a new one for me; I received another one with a
<, slightly different URL within the text. Checking shows it to have come
<, through Hotmail from a C&W account. The upstream from
<,

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

is uu.net.
<,
<, The registered chappie - Sherwin de Leon - is no longer with the
<, casino company - I spoke to their telephonist in Canada on the phone
<, this evening. Could this be a quick Joe Job from a disgruntled
<, ex-employee?


Following up on my own post: no this is not a Joe Job.

I just (2030 CET) had the pleasure of speaking to Mr Takaki from this
casino company on the telephone. He advised me that the spam
originated from their marketing department and the e-mail addresses
came from a list that they had purchased specifically for this
purpose.

Anyone wishing to make comments to Mr Takaki on this very subject
might like to send him a mail takaki@jasb.qc.ca, or contact
abuse-mail@uu.net with the ticket number B-TSI-000127439.





I don't think the company in Canada exists any more because the jasb.qc.ca domain is available.

 

[dave_r]

I always wondered why CM @ bet2gamble.com recommended and advertised this outfit. It was clear to anyone over the age of 3 that the games were dowright crooked.

My personal results were out by 5 standard deviations. Draw your own conclusions.

I hope they're finally out of business. (Naturally I hope all players are paid before they completely disappear.)

 

[jpm]

Only 5 standard deviations?? Sounds like a fair deal to me!

They must think that everyone is stupid who plays there and that nobody will notice that its rigged.

 

[sirius]

Their website is back up. It's now a 'be the dealer' clone/affiliate site. It's not called Neo Max Casino now, just 777.com Casino.

 

[jetset]

Sounds as if that *well funded Asian public company* found running a casino too difficult - it will be interesting to see if BTD do a better job...or how good Neo/777 marketing of the site is!

At least we now know why they were down for so long, but their apparent negligence in telling their members what was going on is worrying...unless the Asians have sold out to someone else???

 

[The Dude]

<hr size=0>quote:<p>At least we now know why they were down for so long, but their apparent negligence in telling their members what was going on is worrying...unless the Asians have sold out to someone else<hr size=0>​

Ditto on that. There is no excuse to not notify players of a casino's downtime. If they are able to email bonus offerings, they can very well contact players when they are making significant changes. Either they are technically challenged, or they place their business above customer care.

Or maybe it was just an oversight; they didn't think anyone would notice the changeover.

 

[jetset]

Takaki's email just bounces, as does the old Montreal address, so it looks increasingly like a badly executed change of ownership and software.

I have a query in with BTD on this at present - let's hope they can clear up the mystery.

 

[The Dude]

Gawd, my brain is about to explode like that guy in "Scanners"

Decipher this:

From: Support2
To: aggrieved player
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:25 AM
Subject: In Regards to NeoMax Casino

Dear Mr. Player:

Our Casino managed by the staff of a 777.com domain owner site and we are concluded the contract of sharing the rights of the casino license and software between the 777.com domain owners and our Casino.

Therefore, I would like to inform you that NeoMax Casino have never handled directly for the profit.

The 777.com domain owner did not take their responsibility and duty and they abandoned and left it all in November 2003.

It seems that, however, the 777.com domain owners are presently using and managing another license and another game software now. (www.777.com)

Please contact the domain owner of www.777.com where it should be charged.

Thank you very much for playing all this time with us.

Sorry for any inconveniences this matter may have caused you.

Neomax Casino Management

 

[love2vegas]

Thanks for clearing that up Casinomeister. Now we know...
well, we know that the relationship between the two...
um, what do we know??!

 

[sirius]

they had thousands of players

Neo Max scammed thousands. From the differences in player's account numbers (posted on a messsage board), you could tell even months before they closed that they had thousands of players that opened accounts with their rigged software. Bet2gamble helped by advertising them for months. Even their gaming license they used (a 5 year one) expired months before they closed.

Their support always came from the same email IP address and resolved to something with 'duke' in it.

They have changed web servers now. They are on the same server with all these 'be the dealer' or 'windows casino' affiliates:

109 domains found on 209.39.166.214
(search limited to first 100 results)

Website

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[The Dude]

Thanks Sirius!

I would like to know if any players from the "old" 777.com Neo Max Casino have received any promos from the casinos you've just posted. If so, then it looks like the new owners of 777.com aquired the database besides the URL.

You can post them here or contact me via the "Pitch a Bitch" section
https://www.casinomeister.com/player-arbitration-pab/

 

[The Dude]

For those of you in the "unawares", this list of casinos are related to the Window's guys.

Playanddeal and Magicoasis are the indicators.

 

[sirius]

Thanks Sirius!

I would like to know if any players from the "old" 777.com Neo Max Casino have received any promos from the casinos you've just posted. If so, then it looks like the new owners of 777.com aquired the database besides the URL.

You can post them here or contact me via the "Pitch a Bitch" section
https://www.casinomeister.com/player-arbitration-pab/

They don't own the web server they're on now but the domain name 777.com is owned by the same person named 'Duke Davidson'.

I presume the web server belongs to the windows/bethedealer owners. The individual URL's will have different domain ownership information though but I don't know if 'DUKE' has any more of these sites.

 

[sirius]

InCashCasino

The old Neo Max Casino (that was on 777.com) and InCashCasino (casinomeister just gave a warning about it) all use the same software and server and even the same ecash processor:

If you want a list of casinos just do this search:

Link Removed (invalid URL)

The casinos must all be owned by JASB (Japanese automobile company) subsidiaries unless they broke the terms of agreement with Goldplay. Goldplay sold them the source code which isn't something a software company usually sells. Obviously they modified it and most probably rigged the games unless it was just 777.com.

Even after the 777.com controversy, GameMaster was advertising InCashCasino on it's main entrance splash page for a month at least. It was obviously dodgy and the sign up bonus was identical to 777.com.