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Casino Neo Max - Maintenance?

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by tom, Nov 20, 2003.

    Nov 20, 2003
  1. tom

    tom Dormant account

    Anyone got news on Casino Neo Max? They have been down for "maintenance" for about two weeks. They are not answering my calls or email.
     
  2. Nov 20, 2003
  3. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    Ask the webmaster at bet2gamble.com. He says he knows the owners and advertised them for a few months. The casino is very probably rigged though. I had results with an overall probability of less than 0.00002 when I played several sessions there. A lot of other people were complaining too.
     
  4. Nov 24, 2003
  5. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    They are still down for maintenance.

    Japanese based: 777.com

    Registrant:
    DUKE DAVIDSON (777-N4-DOM)
    Tenjinbashi 2-18-301
    Osaka 5300041
    JP

    Domain Name: 777.COM

    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
    Yamatake, Norizou (26696672I) This email is not visible to you.
    Tenjinbashi 2-18-301
    Osaka, Osaka 530-0041
    JP
    777-777-7777 fax: 123 123 1234

    Record expires on 31-Oct-2006.
    Record created on 01-Nov-1996.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    NS.BEARS.CO.JP 210.233.50.226
    DNS.BEARS.CO.JP 210.233.50.232
     
  6. Nov 25, 2003
  7. schankwart

    schankwart Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.ca

    Occupation:
    Secret Agent
    Location:
    Colony Gamma
    This place has been an evil moneyhole from its very beginning!
    I have played there a couple times and dropped my money in record-time playing BJ, there was absolutely no way for me to win anything and they did not even try to hide "it"...

    ...now make your own conclusion.

    There have also been some reports about bounced cheques a while back, I do not know how those stories ended up though.

    I am glad to see this crap being down now, I hope noone here has been screwed by them as well.
     
  8. Nov 25, 2003
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    This is cute:
    777-777-7777 fax: 123 123 1234

    I haven't received a response from anyone yet. For a casino to go into a maintenace mode is not unusual. But to not notify players that it would be offline is a bad sign.
     
  10. Nov 25, 2003
  11. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Two weeks of downtime is excessive to say the least, and not a good omen.

    I thought these guys were supposed to be a well-funded (but publicity-shy) Asian public company???
     
  12. Nov 27, 2003
  13. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    Goldplay sold the source code of the Neo Max casino software to JASB (a Japanese company) in 1997/98 on condition that it could only be used or modified by JASB and it's subsidiaries. Neo Max at least used to be a subsidiary and the download for the various casinos usually says Neo Max casino (it was also the original name of the license for the Max Skyweb casinos). Even the recent InCashCasino (the same software) was called Neo Max in the installation.

    777.com were using the same license and it expired quite a few months ago now (it's a five year license). Although they said they'd renew it, I don't know if they ever did. The could have just been extracting the last use from the old license. 777.com still used the same ecash company as the other max skyweb casinos and bank wires are sent to the same bank account for all of them.

    They used to be big spammers too five years ago:

    From: toyo (This email is not visible to you.)
    Subject: Looking for Japan E-mail Addresses
    This is the only article in this thread
    View: Original Format
    Newsgroups: alt.business
    Date: 1998/05/27


    OUR COMPANY IS LOOKING FOR BULK CD OR E-MAIL ADDRESS LIST
    IN JAPAN, U.K AND AUSTRALIA.
    IF YOU HAVE THESE CDS, WE WILL BUY THEM.
    PLEASE CONTACT AS FOLLOS,

    --
    ---------------------------------------------

    Jasb Quebec inc.
    1155 Rene-Levesque west
    suite 2910 Montreal PQ.
    Canada H3B2L3
    Tel 514-398-0780
    Fax 514-398-0953
    E-mail This email is not visible to you.
    ICQ 11835584
    ----------------------------------------------


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------



    Search Result 6
    From: Sherwin de Leon (This email is not visible to you.)
    Subject: Wanted: Accountant and Customer Service
    This is the only article in this thread
    View: Original Format
    Newsgroups: qc.jobs
    Date: 1998/07/02


    A Japanese Internet-based firm located in downtown Montreal
    is in urgent need of the following staffs:


    POSITION: ACCOUNTING CLERK

    Qualification:
    -experience with simple accounting software
    -good knowledge in MS Excel
    -must be able to work during weekends
    -1-2 years experience in accounting field
    -Fast learner, team player and has good analytical skill

    Duties:

    A/P, A/R, Payroll, government reports and prepare daily analysis report






    POSITION: CUSTOMER SERVICE


    Qualifications:

    -minimum 2 years experince
    -basic computer knowledge
    -fluent in English
    -willing to stay in the Carribean for at least 6 months


    Duties:

    reply to customers' request, answer the phone, keep records of client
    transaction using
    a database application.


    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Please forward CV to:

    JASB Quebec Inc.
    Fax (514) 398-0953
    Attn: Mr. Magdy Salib



    Search Result 1
    From: Sherwin de Leon (This email is not visible to you.)
    Subject: --- Database Specialist ---
    This is the only article in this thread
    View: Original Format
    Newsgroups: qc.jobs
    Date: 1998/08/12


    A fast-growing downtown
    Montreal Internet-based firm seeks :

    ***** Database Developer ****

    Qualification:
    - 2 years or more experience in MS SQL
    - strong knowledge in online
    database administration and security system
    - must know how to administer and set-up remote SQL database and
    Transaction servers
    - Knowledgeable of online credit card transaction systems
    - excellent communication skill

    Please Email CV to This email is not visible to you.
    (CV should be in ASCII or MS Word format with salary requirement)


    From: the-letterwriter (This email is not visible to you.)
    Subject: Re: Casino Spam


    View this article only
    Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
    Date: 1999/11/11


    the-letterwriter &gt;,This email is not visible to you.&lt;, schrieb in im
    Newsbeitrag: This email is not visible to you..
    &lt;, This is hardly a new one for me; I received another one with a
    &lt;, slightly different URL within the text. Checking shows it to have come
    &lt;, through Hotmail from a C&W account. The upstream from
    &lt;, You must register/login in order to see the link. is uu.net.
    &lt;,
    &lt;, The registered chappie - Sherwin de Leon - is no longer with the
    &lt;, casino company - I spoke to their telephonist in Canada on the phone
    &lt;, this evening. Could this be a quick Joe Job from a disgruntled
    &lt;, ex-employee?


    Following up on my own post: no this is not a Joe Job.

    I just (2030 CET) had the pleasure of speaking to Mr Takaki from this
    casino company on the telephone. He advised me that the spam
    originated from their marketing department and the e-mail addresses
    came from a list that they had purchased specifically for this
    purpose.

    Anyone wishing to make comments to Mr Takaki on this very subject
    might like to send him a mail This email is not visible to you., or contact
    This email is not visible to you. with the ticket number B-TSI-000127439.





    I don't think the company in Canada exists any more because the jasb.qc.ca domain is available.
     
  14. Dec 1, 2003
  15. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    I always wondered why CM @ bet2gamble.com recommended and advertised this outfit. It was clear to anyone over the age of 3 that the games were dowright crooked.

    My personal results were out by 5 standard deviations. Draw your own conclusions.

    I hope they're finally out of business. (Naturally I hope all players are paid before they completely disappear.)
     
  16. Dec 1, 2003
  17. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Only 5 standard deviations?? Sounds like a fair deal to me! ;)

    They must think that everyone is stupid who plays there and that nobody will notice that its rigged.
     
  18. Dec 2, 2003
  19. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    Their website is back up. It's now a 'be the dealer' clone/affiliate site. It's not called Neo Max Casino now, just 777.com Casino.
     
  20. Dec 2, 2003
  21. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Sounds as if that *well funded Asian public company* found running a casino too difficult - it will be interesting to see if BTD do a better job...or how good Neo/777 marketing of the site is!

    At least we now know why they were down for so long, but their apparent negligence in telling their members what was going on is worrying...unless the Asians have sold out to someone else???
     
  22. Dec 2, 2003
  23. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    <hr size=0>quote:<p>At least we now know why they were down for so long, but their apparent negligence in telling their members what was going on is worrying...unless the Asians have sold out to someone else<hr size=0>​
    Ditto on that. There is no excuse to not notify players of a casino's downtime. If they are able to email bonus offerings, they can very well contact players when they are making significant changes. Either they are technically challenged, or they place their business above customer care.

    Or maybe it was just an oversight; they didn't think anyone would notice the changeover.
     
  24. Dec 2, 2003
  25. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Takaki's email just bounces, as does the old Montreal address, so it looks increasingly like a badly executed change of ownership and software.

    I have a query in with BTD on this at present - let's hope they can clear up the mystery.
     
  26. Jan 19, 2004
  27. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    Gawd, my brain is about to explode like that guy in "Scanners"

    Decipher this:

    From: Support2
    To: aggrieved player
    Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:25 AM
    Subject: In Regards to NeoMax Casino

    Dear Mr. Player:

    Our Casino managed by the staff of a 777.com domain owner site and we are concluded the contract of sharing the rights of the casino license and software between the 777.com domain owners and our Casino.

    Therefore, I would like to inform you that NeoMax Casino have never handled directly for the profit.

    The 777.com domain owner did not take their responsibility and duty and they abandoned and left it all in November 2003.

    It seems that, however, the 777.com domain owners are presently using and managing another license and another game software now. (You must register/login in order to see the link.)

    Please contact the domain owner of You must register/login in order to see the link. where it should be charged.

    Thank you very much for playing all this time with us.

    Sorry for any inconveniences this matter may have caused you.

    Neomax Casino Management
     
  28. Jan 20, 2004
  29. love2vegas

    love2vegas Dormant account

    Location:
    Maine
    Thanks for clearing that up Casinomeister. Now we know...
    well, we know that the relationship between the two...
    um, what do we know??! :confused:
     
  30. Jan 20, 2004
  31. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    they had thousands of players

    Neo Max scammed thousands. From the differences in player's account numbers (posted on a messsage board), you could tell even months before they closed that they had thousands of players that opened accounts with their rigged software. Bet2gamble helped by advertising them for months. Even their gaming license they used (a 5 year one) expired months before they closed.

    Their support always came from the same email IP address and resolved to something with 'duke' in it.

    They have changed web servers now. They are on the same server with all these 'be the dealer' or 'windows casino' affiliates:

    109 domains found on 209.39.166.214
    (search limited to first 100 results)

    Website

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    Last edited: Jan 20, 2004
  32. Jan 20, 2004
  33. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    Thanks Sirius!

    I would like to know if any players from the "old" 777.com Neo Max Casino have received any promos from the casinos you've just posted. If so, then it looks like the new owners of 777.com aquired the database besides the URL.

    You can post them here or contact me via the "Pitch a Bitch" section
    http://www.casinomeister.com/problems.html
     
  34. Jan 20, 2004
  35. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
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    For those of you in the "unawares", this list of casinos are related to the Window's guys.

    Playanddeal and Magicoasis are the indicators.
     
  36. Jan 20, 2004
  37. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    They don't own the web server they're on now but the domain name 777.com is owned by the same person named 'Duke Davidson'.

    I presume the web server belongs to the windows/bethedealer owners. The individual URL's will have different domain ownership information though but I don't know if 'DUKE' has any more of these sites.
     
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2004
  38. Jan 24, 2004
  39. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

    Location:
    UK
    InCashCasino

    The old Neo Max Casino (that was on 777.com) and InCashCasino (casinomeister just gave a warning about it) all use the same software and server and even the same ecash processor:

    If you want a list of casinos just do this search:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    The casinos must all be owned by JASB (Japanese automobile company) subsidiaries unless they broke the terms of agreement with Goldplay. Goldplay sold them the source code which isn't something a software company usually sells. Obviously they modified it and most probably rigged the games unless it was just 777.com.

    Even after the 777.com controversy, GameMaster was advertising InCashCasino on it's main entrance splash page for a month at least. It was obviously dodgy and the sign up bonus was identical to 777.com.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2004

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