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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by blaqpoet, Jul 23, 2007.

    Jul 23, 2007
  1. blaqpoet

    blaqpoet Dormant account

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    Software Engineer
    Location:
    Johannesburg, South Africa
    Rogue or good casino? They have a sticky 100% bonus up to $500 (15x D+B) and they use Playtech software.

     
  2. Jul 23, 2007
  3. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

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    I've seen members of various forums post that 4 different softwares are used by this casino. It does not use Playtech, Futurebet, DGS, or other common software. It uses "Total E Soft," which seems to be distinct. From what I can tell, this software is only used by Casino Lobby and skins (such as Casino Millionaire).
     
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  4. Jul 23, 2007
  5. liquuid_fusion

    liquuid_fusion Meister Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred2 PABaccred

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    They have a deuces wild variation with a 109% payout, which cannot possibly be a fair game.
     
  6. Jul 23, 2007
  7. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    I currently work for the Wizard of Odds
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    North of Antarctica
    How do you even find them? I type in Casino Lobby in Google and don't see anything on the first page of results. I type in www.casinolobby.com in the address bar and get a Server Not Found.

    And if they really do have a 109% paytable on Deuces Wild then you should stay FAR away from this place because obviously it's either rigged or they have no intention of paying when you win.

    I don't understand why so many people stray from the good places and hunt for these no-name brands. Generic brands are fine for cereals and pain relievers ... but NOT for online casinos.
     
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  8. Jul 23, 2007
  9. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

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    I know several players who have played at this casino and several affiliates who have promoted them. And I have yet to hear a single complaint about this casino, either with rigged software or non-payment of winnings. Why assume the casino is bad or the casino is rigged with no supporting data?
     
  10. Jul 23, 2007
  11. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

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    The url is You must register/login in order to see the link. . In is the 2nd and 6th result in a Google search for "Casino Lobby."
     
  12. Jul 23, 2007
  13. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    I currently work for the Wizard of Odds
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    North of Antarctica
    Did you happen to play them back when you were making your rounds (so to speak)? I'm curious if you have any experience with them (successful withdrawal(s), etc.)?

    Either way - a 109% paytable seems more than a little suspicious wouldn't you agree? I haven't, however, verified it yet for myself.

    I did just find their web site though - they are "licensed" in Costa Rica. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Jul 24, 2007
  15. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

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    Unfortunately my country is not allowed to play there for real money. I have played in fun mode, and did not note anything abnormal, aside from some software annoyances (loss of connection, having to turn off music every time I enter the home page).

    I do find the paytable to be suspicious. However, the casino offers many video poker variations. And only two do not offer multi-hand play -- Deuces Wild and Joker Poker. These are same two that have a theoretical payout above 100% with optimal strategy. This makes me suspect there is indeed something special about these two games. While suspicious, I am not going to assume they are rigged with no players having reported issues there.
     
  16. Jul 24, 2007
  17. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    I currently work for the Wizard of Odds
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    North of Antarctica
    I think we're in the same country :D
    I just downloaded and played in free mode. Deuces Wild pays back 109.2685% and Joker Poker pays back 105.8615%.

    How can any casino possibly stay in business with paytables like that - even on single hand?

    The software is actually very nice. Somewhere in between Playtech and MG.
     
  18. Jul 24, 2007
  19. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    I currently work for the Wizard of Odds
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    Okay, I analyzed their Video Poker paytables and there is something very strange going on here - it's not limited to just Deuces Wild and Joker Poker:

    GAME .................. SINGLE HAND ................ MULTI-HAND

    Aces and Faces .......... 99.2555% .................. 99.7597%
    Aces and Eights ........ 101.9068% .................. 99.0926%
    All Aces ............... 101.5269% .................. 99.9195%
    All American Poker ...... 99.8648% .................. 99.3756%
    Bonus Poker ............ 101.9755% .................. 99.1660%
    Bonus Poker Deluxe ..... 101.7596% .................. 98.4928%
    Deuces Wild ............ 109.2685% ....................... N/A
    Double Bonus Poker ..... 102.2191% .................. 99.1065%
    Great British Poker .... 109.4648% ................. 109.6033%
    Jacks or Better ......... 99.5439% .................. 99.5439%
    Joker Poker ............ 105.8615% ....................... N/A
    Mega Bonus Poker ........ 94.2466% .................. 94.2466%


    Aces and Faces has a higher payout in the multi-hand version because of the 5000-coin Royal Flush (it's only 4000 in the single-hand version).

    The multi-hand version of Great British Poker pays 360 coins for a Straight Flush instead of the 300 coins that the single-hand version pays.

    The single-hand version of Bonus Poker Deluxe appears to pay 32 coins for a Flush on a max bet, but actually pays 30 coins:

    View attachment 7092

    Obviously the 32 was a typo.

    The higher payout for a Straight Flush in the multi-hand version of Great British Poker is probably an error as well.

    How many other "errors" are there?
     
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  20. Jul 24, 2007
  21. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    This has GOT to be rigged. This is just not statistically possible.

    I held a pair of Kings and didn't improve on ANY of the 50 hands? -

    View attachment 7093

    And then on the next hand I was dealt 4 to a flush, and didn't get even ONE out of 50? I couldn't even pair the King or Queen? -

    View attachment 7094

    Aka23 you are good with math - what are the odds of that?
     
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  22. Jul 24, 2007
  23. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

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    The chance of getting a 5th to a flush on any 1 hand is 9/48, so the chance not getting a flush in any of the 50 hands is (39/48)^50 = > 1 in 30,000. The chance of net getting a flush and not getting a queen or king to complete the high pair is (33/48)^50 = > 1 in 135 million.

    The other calculation is more complicated. Given that these were sequential hands, the combined odds are near impossible. You convinced me that the software is likely rigged. I assume the above hands were done in practice mode. It is strange that I did not see any issues with 1-play deuces wild in practice mode. After having played for ~20 mins, I had made a good sized gain.
     
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  24. Jul 24, 2007
  25. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    I didn't notice anything funky in the single-hand deuces wild game either ... I too had doubled and nearly tripled what I started with after a few hands. But this multi-hand Great British Poker is way too unbelievable.

    It could be slots/keno/bingo running behind the scenes, or it could also be just plain rigged. :D
     
  26. Jul 24, 2007
  27. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    I know there's no point in continuing to play here, even in free mode, but here's another one: Jacks or Better, I held the Jack of hearts. The result... nada! :D

    View attachment 7095

    I've also noticed a lot of hands that "appear" normal, and a more-than-expected number of hands where I would win back exactly half my bet. So something is going on, and whatever it is certainly isn't 100% random.
     
  28. Jul 24, 2007
  29. blaqpoet

    blaqpoet Dormant account

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    Thanks AKA and SlotsJunkie. So what software are they actually using? Those odds are sick and outright awful!
     
  30. Jul 24, 2007
  31. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    According to You must register/login in order to see the link., it's proprietary.

    And for the record... I take back what I said about the software being nice. :D I posted that before I played the multi-hand poker. :rolleyes:
     
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  32. Jul 24, 2007
  33. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    That is 100% definitely rigged. You don't need a mathematician to tell you that! :eek:

    Looks like these games are just AWP - same as Wagerworks' Texas Shoot Out.

    I wouldn't mind at all, if the casinos spelled out clearly that this is what you are playing and not a genuine game of random chance.

    :mad:
     
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  34. Jul 24, 2007
  35. cerdikola

    cerdikola Low Roller

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    That's not Playtech. They are part of a white brand casinos group, You must register/login in order to see the link.

    They have lots of players that use e-gold.
     
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  36. Jul 24, 2007
  37. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    Well in all fairness lets be a little objective here. Variety so they say is the spice of life and if no one is to ever trust anyone or anything new we would all get bored pretty quickly. I agree that one needs to be very careful but theirs no reason to automatically assume that every new casino that gets launched using in house software is fraudulent or untrustworthy. Innocent until proven guilty remember Howver having said that `I` wont be trying them pmsl :lolup:
     
  38. Jul 24, 2007
  39. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    I came upon them at GoneGambling. They advertised for a month and then vanished. They were listed as "Futurebet", although the site claims "Total E-Soft".

    Also, InterXgaming came on board, again listed as "Futurebet", but claiming "Total E-Soft" on the website.

    Both brands then quit GG at the same time.

    InterX then asked me for feedback, and they certainly got some:D
    This extracted this confession from them:-

    Hence "Total E-Soft" = "New Futurebet".

    The differences seem to be down to Futurebet selling rights to other companies to tinker with the basic product, and thus a number of Futurebet variants now exist. Casino Lobby, despite being Total E-Soft, has differences in the software.

    The analysis of the video poker is compelling evidence that this software is of the "rigged" persuasion, and this might be why they are so free with bonus offers.

    Despite not having played since they quit GG, the balance of my accounts just keeps going up as they drop this & that bonus into it.

    This analysis has convinced me that I don't want to be adding real money, as the other games may all just be rigged to 95% or so, regardless of the rules.

    This reminds me of Lucky Chance casino, huge bonuses on EVERY deposit, fully cashable AND redeemed at a rate of 2.5% for BLACKJACK!!!!!
    Despite this, after an early winning streak, I never managed to run Blackjack at the house edge of 0.4515% as calculated on the Wizardofodds BJ house edge calculator.
     
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