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Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Non-Bonus Issues' started by Adam Randall, Sep 6, 2017.

    Sep 6, 2017
  1. Adam Randall

    Adam Randall Full Member

    Location:
    Australia
    I signed up a week or so ago and deposited $100 based on the good reviews here & went to play my first game and it says something about game locked due to region

    Found out that I picked Austria instead of Australia - my mistake

    They do not service Australia and so I cannot use the money I deposited on their site using Mastercard
    Cut a long story short the only way to give me my money back was to reverse the charge on my card which the help desk operator said had been done and I thanked her for her time


    I noticed the charge on my credit card and left it for a week or so even though on a CC it should be instant
    Today I looked in and it has confirmed that the charge was made and no reversal took place

    I go to log back in under my account and they have removed my account so I now have no way of obtaining my money back or at the very least it is going to be incredibly difficult

    I do not see how a casino that is versed in transferring money all the time can stuff something like this up so wondering if they did the reversal at all

    I am writing this to find out what the best way forward would be, if I make contact with them without an account then they will just ignore me
    I could do a charge back through my bank and will have the money immediately (my bank instantly credits any disputed amount back) however I would prefer the casion did the right thing
     
  2. Sep 6, 2017
  3. redsfan

    redsfan Experienced Member webby

    Occupation:
    sales
    Location:
    bishop auckland
    How do you know they will "Just Ignore You" $100 isnt going to send CEOs on round the world cruises. Maybe the operator you spoke to made a mistake similar to you picking Austria Vs Austrailia?

    While I appreciate it is a negative experience, I suggest contacting them first. Just because you cant access the account, does not mean your details are not on their server somewhere where a CS operator cannot find (They will be)
     
  4. Sep 6, 2017
  5. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    They will find way to refund you.

    Feel its just a case of patience with this one.

    Good Luck!
     
  6. Sep 6, 2017
  7. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

    Occupation:
    Not in workforce
    Location:
    Ontario
  8. Sep 6, 2017
  9. Adam Randall

    Adam Randall Full Member

    Location:
    Australia
    Thanks for the responses people

    I did a well thought out and concise response and somehow hit has disappeared

    I will follow up with them and I did read the stuff in red above after I posted then tried to find a person to delete the post so I could message the representitive directly

    It all became too much and my water zumba class was approaching and I had to leave. That was followed by a BBQ down at our local lagoon and a few glasses of the cheapest wine I could find so have been unable to respond till now

    I shall contact them and report on the outcome
     
  10. Sep 8, 2017
  11. Adam Randall

    Adam Randall Full Member

    Location:
    Australia
    Just an update to this - I have contacted the representative here & as yet have not had a response

    I also attempted contacting the casino and could get no further than the first help desk level

    I will try one more time when I have time today before lodging a complaint with my bank to get the charges reversed
     
  12. Sep 8, 2017
  13. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

    Occupation:
    Not in workforce
    Location:
    Ontario
    Adam, even though many casinos are closing to the Austrailian market, not all are. Making a chargeback, even justified, may have far reaching consequences for you, unless you plan to never plan online again.

    It has consequences for the casino too.

    I know dispute times can vary from country to country, but I'm sure you still have some time.

    Go read the Player Arbitration FAQ and submit one if you don't hear back from the rep by Monday.

    Did you request a read receipt? Has the rep read your issue even?

    It was only yesterday I think you sent an message. I know it's hard to be patient when it's your money on the line, but I'm sure you have at least 30 days, and probably longer to dispute a charge.

    That said, I'm unimpressed that support has not been more helpful.
     
  14. Sep 8, 2017
  15. Adam Randall

    Adam Randall Full Member

    Location:
    Australia
    No I understand & will give it a bit more time

    I do not understand how a chargeback can affect me too much unless the casinos are all owned by the same company or exchange information on players and that bit of information is passed on - does that happen?

    When I sign up to a casino, how would they know about a chargeback? Also if a casino restricts someone based on that when it was used in a legitimate way then it is their loss

    I do have a short amount of patience for companies that move money from you in a split second then have every reason under the sun why it takes weeks or months to return it. This should have been done on the spot when it happened and the money should have hit my account as fast as it hit their account.

    If they made a mistake then it should have been rectified as soon as it was brought to their attention


    This one post alone would not have been worth it to them
     
  16. Sep 8, 2017
  17. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

    Occupation:
    A bit of this and that
    Location:
    EU
    Did you pick Austria instead of Australia because Australia was not on the list when you register, so you couldn't pick it? That should have been a red flag for you.
    Also, super easy to see that in terms, always look for Australia in terms before registering. I get it though, mistakes happen, especially if you are a 1st time player online.

    As Jasminebed told you, chargeback is a very serious thing, will hurt everyone, yourself included. Don't do it.
    The casino did many steps to prevent you from playing, but can't refund Mastercard. Give them some time, the banking system is to blame for all the delays (and Australia's legislation).

    You will get it, just wait for the rep here to answer and all will be sorted.
     
  18. Sep 9, 2017
  19. redsfan

    redsfan Experienced Member webby

    Occupation:
    sales
    Location:
    bishop auckland
    Some companies when a Charge-back is used put the customer on CIFAS (Credit Indutry Fraud Avoidance System) resister to protect both the customer and the institution. Find yourself on that and get ready for bumpy rides.
     
  20. Sep 11, 2017
  21. alexCashmio

    alexCashmio Affiliate Manager for Accredited Casinos

    Occupation:
    Casino
    Location:
    Malta
    Hi everyone,

    I´m truly sorry I didn't notice this thread earlier, had a small summer leave at the end of last week. Will try to be quicker with these in the future (but hopefully there won´t be any more).

    @Adam Randall, I replied to your private message, requesting username etc.

    I will try to solve this as fast as possible.

    Best regards,
    Alex
     
  22. Oct 18, 2017
  23. Adam Randall

    Adam Randall Full Member

    Location:
    Australia
    OK just to update this thread

    - I paid $100 from my Mastercard into the Cashmio Casino which registered the payment & I could see the money available in my Cashmio account
    - I went to play using the money paid by my mastercard to Cashmio & discovered for whatever reason (it is irrelevant to the result) that I could not play at this casino due to my region.
    - Complied with requests from AlexCashmio here and send bank statements highlighting when payments were made
    - Alex then came back and said I need to go to my bank and organise to send him a bunch of financial codes to help track the payment.

    - Its $100, I did more than enough for them to get me my money back
    - They obviously have a record of the transaction because the money arrived into my Cashmio account
    - So I think, stuff it I will just wait for it to come back into my account because Alexcashmio said they did a reversal immediately however due to the fact I am in Australia it could take a few weeks to arrive back into my account.

    - What was that, about 2 months ago now & it never returned.
    - Cashmio can trace this transaction to their casino because it turned up there
    - now the issue between their payment gateway provider and their casino is their business & it is not my responsibility to get involved in that.

    - Currently the money has not been returned to me & unless I update this then you can be confident that Cashmio never returned my $100
    - I was even reasonable enough to suggest transferring it as a credit to another casino that I can play at that they may have a relationship with however heard nothing about that.

    - I do not believe I am being unreasonable in my expectation that a Casino will return my money automatically, I should not even have to chase it up, it should be credited back to my MC as fast as it was taken out.
    - I have run a business with a credit card facility and I know exactly how easy it is for a business to return a payment to a customer
    - I do not expect to hear anything back to be honest, but with all the glowing reviews this Casino gets here, perhaps this post will ensure people think twice about how safe their money is especially if something out of the ordinary occurs.

    - I have no issue with how Alex the representative here handled himself, he was professional and attempted to help, my issue is with an organisation that puts the responsibility on the person who paid money to them to call them to account and have to work to get it back rather than it being a straight forward, fast process like it actually can be as demonstrated by 98% of organisations.
     
  24. Oct 20, 2017
  25. alexCashmio

    alexCashmio Affiliate Manager for Accredited Casinos

    Occupation:
    Casino
    Location:
    Malta
    Hi everyone,

    -As this payment came from Australia, we are obliged to deny any such transactions straight away, as it´s a breach of contract and licenses we must abide by. The funds where therefor voided before reaching us.
    What happened with the transfer then, it first gets locked in the users bank account, to be transferred to us. The amount shows up on the player account already here, as it´s preserved in the users bank account. However, when we void the amount before it´s used, the transaction will never happen, and the money will be put back in the users bank account. Sometimes there won’t even be a transaction showing as the money never left the account.

    - Additional documents were requested, as the first proof of payment we received didn’t contain any transaction ID etc. On a side note, the transaction details showing only company details, did not relate to us.
    It is possible to show more details relating to a transaction (such as transaction ID), and this is needed for our payment team to make a further investigation.

    -However, escalating the above. Last message I provided a GuWID, which is a number the bank can trace the transaction with, and explain where the money went. I however never heard back regarding this.

    -To justify why we need the users help, we are not able to contact his bank and request details, these can only be requested by the account owner. And to take this investigation to our payment provider, we are obliged to present proof of payment from the customer’s side.

    I heartily understand the annoyance and hassle relating to this. We are of course very eager to solve this as fast as possible. And we will not leave the subject until both parties are happy, but regulations and procedures will still have to be followed.

    Best regards,
    Alex
     
  26. Oct 20, 2017
  27. Adam Randall

    Adam Randall Full Member

    Location:
    Australia
    I do not believe that you cannot trace that money & reverse it back to me from your end. We are dealing with modern day accounting systems that track and trace every last detail. There is no "It just disappeared" in modern accounting.

    As mentioned, the money was instantly available in my Cashmio account, I got an email from the casino that funds had arrived & that means there is a record. If you guys are saying there is not a record after that has occurred I, then I would be very concerned.

    I have no problem with the way you have responded and conducted yourself but my sanity and well being is more important to me than trying to play the middle man between a bank and you guys. I am just pointing out that in this day and age I just flat out do not believe money can just disappear into thin air. Your payment gateway obviously put the funds through to you guys & it was available for me immediately. Casinos are not in the business of letting people gamble with money that has not been free and cleared into their own account.
     
  28. Oct 26, 2017
  29. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

    Occupation:
    The PAB Guy
    Location:
    Saltirelandia
    @ Adam Randall : as I understand it the casino people have told you what is necessary to proceed to the resolution of your problem. Whether you believe what they say or not the point is that the path toward getting this settled lies before you: follow their request or not, your choice, but banging on about it here is not going to get the issue resolved.

    If you'd like us to look into this matter for you please check out our Online Casino Complaints service. Please do read the PAB FAQ before you submit your complaint details.
     
  30. Oct 27, 2017
  31. Adam Randall

    Adam Randall Full Member

    Location:
    Australia
    My money is still not back, you understand that part "MY MONEY" A casino can put their complaints department in Antarctica with no phone lines if they choose & I can choose to say that it is not right.

    I have already said that I have accepted the money has been taken and it is unlikely to be returned so I can bang on about that as much as I damn well please, its my money & that is the reason I get the right to complain about it.
     
  32. Oct 27, 2017
  33. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    So is that what you're going to do? Just keep on complaining about it but not try to solve it?
    I doubt that you will be allowed to keep on doing that in here. We'll wait and see.
     
  34. Oct 27, 2017
  35. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

    Occupation:
    A bit of this and that
    Location:
    EU
    You understand the part that "your money" never left "your bank" because "your country" ordered the casino to deny the payment? :cool:
     
  36. Oct 27, 2017
  37. Borgie

    Borgie Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Office Manager
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Read carefully what the rep wrote - it would seem that the money may well have NEVER left your account.

    Hi everyone,

    -As this payment came from Australia, we are obliged to deny any such transactions straight away, as it´s a breach of contract and licenses we must abide by. The funds where therefor voided before reaching us.
    What happened with the transfer then, it first gets locked in the users bank account, to be transferred to us. The amount shows up on the player account already here, as it´s preserved in the users bank account. However, when we void the amount before it´s used, the transaction will never happen, and the money will be put back in the users bank account. Sometimes there won’t even be a transaction showing as the money never left the account.


    - Additional documents were requested, as the first proof of payment we received didn’t contain any transaction ID etc. On a side note, the transaction details showing only company details, did not relate to us.
    It is possible to show more details relating to a transaction (such as transaction ID), and this is needed for our payment team to make a further investigation.

    -However, escalating the above. Last message I provided a GuWID, which is a number the bank can trace the transaction with, and explain where the money went. I however never heard back regarding this.

    -To justify why we need the users help, we are not able to contact his bank and request details, these can only be requested by the account owner. And to take this investigation to our payment provider, we are obliged to present proof of payment from the customer’s side.

    I heartily understand the annoyance and hassle relating to this. We are of course very eager to solve this as fast as possible. And we will not leave the subject until both parties are happy, but regulations and procedures will still have to be followed.

    Best regards,
     
  38. Oct 30, 2017
  39. Adam Randall

    Adam Randall Full Member

    Location:
    Australia
    Money was confirmed put into my casino account.

    It was confirmed to have been reversed by their help desk representative.

    Either the help desk person lied about what she did (before disabling my account so that alone is quite suspect) or something equally as shifty has occured.

    I have sent a full statement of my CC to the representative here that shows both credits and debits, not a single credit came back into my account.

    If they did not debit it from my card then how come there was $100 available in my Cashmio account moments after I made the transaction, the only reason I could not spend it was because the gaming software prevented me from spending it, not the casino accounts software, that credited the account.

    Do you know of any casino that would allow a gambler to spend money that they were not already in control of?

    This is not difficult to read in my book. The help desk operator after spending 15 mins trying to figure it out told me she had successfully reversed my charge, she could see the transaction and where it had come from so why is it now so hard for the casino to figure out where this money came from.

    It is as shonky as and I might see if I can find screen shots if I took them of the conversation (which I would have access to if my account was not disabled as soon as I got off the chat - such a shifty and underhanded move in my book)

    Or even better yet, I give permission for the casino to release the chat logs & you can see exactly what was said to me - they will not do it because its incriminating towards the casino.
     

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