Captain Cook - free hour - what's the catch?

kirby

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CD came in the mail last week and looks fair. I'd have to last an hour on their selection of games with the $500, place at least 100 bets and I have to net $20 to get to keep the winnings. Then I have to deposit $50 to collect the "winnings."

Assuming that I survive and make the deposit, is there a play-through requirement on the "winnings?" I figure there's gotta be one but don't see anything on the CD that specifies it.

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aka23

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The catch is the winnings are given in bonus $, rather than cash. The bonus $ have the standard 30x (60xFR) Clearplay wagering. You don't need a CD to get this offer. And Mummy's Gold, Ruby Fortune, Casino Classic, and 7 Sultans have a similar $500 Free Play offer. See link removed for a more in depth discussion.
 
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AussieDave

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See link removed for a more in depth discussion.

You've got to be joking, why not just start a fresh thread & shill your own site and be done with it :mad:

This imo is scraping the barrel (definately viod of forum etiquette) and imo it's also a deliberate attempt to hijack a player.
 
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kirby

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Can I withdraw my deposit at any point? I suspect not, until I've satisfied the 30x bonus. At least it's not bonus + deposit x 30:D , I managed $120 bonus so I'll have a little wiggle room.

It was the last $50 in my Neteller account and given the way the house of cards is falling the odds are either CC or NT will close my American account before I collect

Thanks for the help.
 

aka23

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Can I withdraw my deposit at any point? I suspect not, until I've satisfied the 30x bonus. At least it's not bonus + deposit x 30:D , I managed $120 bonus so I'll have a little wiggle room.

It was the last $50 in my Neteller account and given the way the house of cards is falling the odds are either CC or NT will close my American account before I collect

Thanks for the help.
It depends which casino group you play with. At CC and under standard Clearplay rules, you can withdraw your deposit and wininngs at any point. Under Fortune Lounge (7 Sultans is FL), Casino Profit Share, and Grand Monaco rules you must complete the playthrough. Capatin Cook's will not close your account unless you live in one of the 11 states. They permit play in the other 39 states.
 

vinylweatherman

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$120

Take care, this is Casino Rewards. They tend to get funny if they suspect you are after the sign-up bonus only. The max win is $200 on this deal (another catch), but you effectively have a $120 bonus on a $50 deposit, not too bad really.
30x is on slots, so it is 30x $120 slots wagering, or up to 300x $120 for Blackjack or VP.
If you think this might be your final fling, perhaps try to go out in style with a decent slots bonus round. On no account place the whole lot on one bet and try to cash out or meet WR on tiddly bets, they may get funny about the cash-in, as many groups now do if they see this betting pattern.
 

vinylweatherman

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Site

You've got to be joking, why not just start a fresh thread & shill your own site and be done with it :mad:

This imo is scraping the barrel (definately viod of forum etiquette) and imo it's also a deliberate attempt to hijack a player.


It's not too bad a site.
It looks like most just place their website links under their signature, rather than promote them in the body of the post.

There seem to be a couple of minor errors though, such as Main Street have not ported ALL the old brands to RTG, and Jackpot Factory have not got a Monday bonus for weekend play, however, VIP players get a 15% rebate on Saturday losses, paid on Sunday up to $300. Jackpot Factory are now listed again under Accredited Casinos.

Some of the strategies on the site are high risk, as many casinos will take it to be abusive play, and just return the deposit. If this risk is factored in from known cases posted here it can make quite a difference to the statistical merits of such strategems.

I'll give it a B+

The wizard of odds site has a deeper mathematical analysis, probably too deep for most of us, of the big bet sticky bonus - I have not seen such equations since I went to university!
 

aka23

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Take care, this is Casino Rewards. They tend to get funny if they suspect you are after the sign-up bonus only.
Its my understanding that its more a pattern of going from casino to casino in the group, just playing the sign on bonus. After a few casinos in this mannar, they will ban you from receiving additional Casino Rewards bonuses. This ban can be removed through non-bonus play.

On no account place the whole lot on one bet and try to cash out or meet WR on tiddly bets, they may get funny about the cash-in, as many groups now do if they see this betting pattern.
I've known many people who have used this strategy at Casino Rewards. All of them have had their cash in approved. I understand that the Trident group now has a rule about betting the whole bankroll at once. I am not aware of similar rules with the other Microgaming groups.
 
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vinylweatherman

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FU Clause

I've known many people who have used this strategy at Casino Rewards. All of them have had their cash in approved. I understand that the Trident group now has a rule about betting the whole deposit at once. I am not aware of similar rules with the other Microgaming groups.


This tends not to be in the rules, but rather management envoke the "FU Clause". There was a big fuss about Trident envoking this clause and confiscating some $8000 from a player who had played Deuces Wild, dipping into the bonus money before hitting big. Deuces Wild was added at the beginning of that month to the list of games not counting towards WR. Given that playing a game that simply "does not count", and not placing one big bet with the bonus & deposit was enough to be relieved of $8000, the strategy is very high risk, irrespective of a term specifically forbidding it. I suspect the term is now in Trident due to this fuss, so future players cannot claim they had no way of knowing due to no mention in T & C.
Although the norm at Casino Rewards is to lock the loyalty bonus account rather than the cash accounts, they don't tell you till you try to redeem the points, and, until recently, had not made it clear what the rules were for claiming the bonus at more than one casino. (You can, but must make a second deposit at one of your existing accounts before taking a new player offer at another branded site).

Being a VIP at Jackpot Factory makes a hell of a difference to your tables, the WR is halved, turning the ClearPlay system to one where most games have a small +EV on the weekly VIP offers. VIP is by invitation, and consideration is given after 2 months or so of play (as in depositing without bonuses to take part in the various tournaments and promotions).
 

aka23

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This tends not to be in the rules, but rather management envoke the "FU Clause". There was a big fuss about Trident envoking this clause and confiscating some $8000 from a player who had played Deuces Wild, dipping into the bonus money before hitting big. Deuces Wild was added at the beginning of that month to the list of games not counting towards WR. Given that playing a game that simply "does not count", and not placing one big bet with the bonus & deposit was enough to be relieved of $8000, the strategy is very high risk, irrespective of a term specifically forbidding it. I suspect the term is now in Trident due to this fuss, so future players cannot claim they had no way of knowing due to no mention in T & C.
There is a mention in the Trident T&C now. I don't know if it was there when the player had the incident. It is the only group that has such a rule in the T&C, I believe. The clause is listed below. This experience was the excption, not the rule. Nearly all others using such strategies have not had related issues. This inlcudes persons who have cashed out thousands with deposits of under $100. So I would not call it "very high risk."

"Until a Player completes the wager conditions for the Welcome Bonus, the Player's total Cash Account balance represents the maximum a Player may wager as a single bet. The Player's Cash and Bonus Account balances may not be combined as a single bet until the wager conditions have been completed for the Welcome "

Although the norm at Casino Rewards is to lock the loyalty bonus account rather than the cash accounts, they don't tell you till you try to redeem the points, and, until recently, had not made it clear what the rules were for claiming the bonus at more than one casino. (You can, but must make a second deposit at one of your existing accounts before taking a new player offer at another branded site).
Yes, I was aware of that. You cannot receive loyalty bonus points and related bonues. You can still receive Free Play bonuses and others that do not go through the Casino Rewards login.


Being a VIP at Jackpot Factory makes a hell of a difference to your tables, the WR is halved, turning the ClearPlay system to one where most games have a small +EV on the weekly VIP offers. VIP is by invitation, and consideration is given after 2 months or so of play (as in depositing without bonuses to take part in the various tournaments and promotions).
Yes, I recall 15x wagering for VIPs at certain groups. That would be really nice!
 
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Simmo!

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CM provides signatures for links. I'd say generally if you are linking to pages of information on your own site that contain affiliate links, these should not be posted in the body of posts without prior permission from CM. Etiquette :thumbsup:

Thanks

Simmo!


PS. On the subject in hand, worth noting that CR also have a $4k a week cashout limit.
 

AussieDave

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It's not too bad a site.

You've unfortunately missed the point.

My comments were not about the site, but, the way in which aka23 chose to throw a shill about his site into a post that merely asked the question: Captain Cook - free hour - what's the catch?

It looks like most just place their website links under their signature, rather than promote them in the body of the post.

Obviously you don't class this as a shill so lets call it spam then!

Whatever it is, imo it goes against the terms of posting:

Online Casinos Online Casinos - Information, Experiences, questions and such. This is no place for ads or cloaked promos. Shills and spammers be warned.

IMHO CM has been generous to allow people to post links to their sites in their signature. aka23 should have just left it at "The catch is the winnings are given in bonus $, rather than cash. The bonus $ have the standard 30x (60xFR) Clearplay wagering.

Instead he decided to add:

You don't need a CD to get this offer. And Mummy's Gold, Ruby Fortune, Casino Classic, and 7 Sultans have a similar $500 Free Play offer. See link removed for a more in depth discussion.

Which in context to not only the posters request but this forum topics posting rules is a shill or @ least spam.

Hopefully you'll get why I posted a response.
 

AussieDave

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CM provides signatures for links. I'd say generally if you are linking to pages of information on your own site that contain affiliate links, these should not be posted in the body of posts without prior permission from CM. Etiquette :thumbsup:

Glad someone understands the term Etiquette :thumbsup:
 

kirby

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FYI - the earlier post about being able to withdraw the Captain Cook bonus was incorrect. I now have a $3600+ playthrough. Admittedly I can withdraw the deposit at any time but it declines as the bonus is satisfied. My $12 of wagers thus far has reduced my cashout from $50 to $48.95 :mad:
 

aka23

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FYI - the earlier post about being able to withdraw the Captain Cook bonus was incorrect. I now have a $3600+ playthrough. Admittedly I can withdraw the deposit at any time but it declines as the bonus is satisfied. My $12 of wagers thus far has reduced my cashout from $50 to $48.95 :mad:
I meant you can withdraw the deposit + non-free play winnings at any time. You must meet the playthrough to cash out the bonus. The bonus is converted to your cash in intervals of $10 as you meet the playthrough. After $10 of the bonus is converted to cash, it can be cashed out, along with the deposit+winnings.

Games are weighted such that you are expected to lose the bonus as you meet the playthrough. I believe that French Roulette is the only game where you are expected to make a gain while meeting playthrough with this weighting, and this gain is only a small fraction of your bonus. So I'd recommend against making small bets and having a small variance in results. Instead, I'd recommend making larger than normal bets and going for a big win.
 
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bridgehajen

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[..] The clause is listed below. [..]

"Until a Player completes the wager conditions for the Welcome Bonus, the Player's total Cash Account balance represents the maximum a Player may wager as a single bet. The Player's Cash and Bonus Account balances may not be combined as a single bet until the wager conditions have been completed for the Welcome "

Hmm. I wonder what this would mean if a player had a losing streak and lost the cash balance, leaving only the bonus balance. If I take the first sentence literally, he would then be prohibited from making any further bets. I certainly hope that I am misinterpreting this.
As for the second sentence, it doesn't seem to address anything that wasn't covered by the first sentence so it seems pointless.

Either way, it looks clumsy to me ...
 

EasyRhino

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Incidentally, I had busted at Captain Cook's a couple of times trying to goose various promotions.

One time, I actually got ahead a little bit, and noticed that even after a LOT of roulette spins, none of the bonus balance was being converted to cash balance. I checked with a CSR, and my playthrough requirement from previous bonuses was still in effect, even though I had busted out on them.

So, effectively, I'm never going to be able to clear any WR with captain cook's again, so I, personally, just treat them as a sticky bonus that's always deleted on withdrawal.
 

kirby

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My apologies to aka23. I thought my cash balance had dropped to $0 and I still had $4000 more to go before I could cash out anything. WRONG! I won $60 at BJ and then a $90 quarter slot win which, with someother small wins, put my cash balance over $200. Still had $3200 to go on the bonus so I forfeited it and took out $150. Left my original deposit for some last fun. :thumbsup:

Anyone care to estimate how long until the first withdrawal on a new account will take to hit Neteller?
 

aka23

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My apologies to aka23. I thought my cash balance had dropped to $0 and I still had $4000 more to go before I could cash out anything. WRONG! I won $60 at BJ and then a $90 quarter slot win which, with someother small wins, put my cash balance over $200. Still had $3200 to go on the bonus so I forfeited it and took out $150. Left my original deposit for some last fun. :thumbsup:

Anyone care to estimate how long until the first withdrawal on a new account will take to hit Neteller?
I'm glad to hear you did well. My withdrawals with this group typically take ~3 days to hit Neteller.
 

Simmo!

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Anyone care to estimate how long until the first withdrawal on a new account will take to hit Neteller?

Yes they have a poor 48hr reverse time however they should do a manual flush if you email them. Whether this speeds up the payment is open to question (tell me if they do) but it would at least stop temptation on the reverse.
 

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