Question Can slots on individual accounts be fixed not to pay out?

[asadzareef89]

We are undergoing licencing for NetEnt games which usually takes 6-12 weeks, so i would expect them in our portfolio by (very latest) early December.

As for comps, eventually there will be a spin that will pay over the top and enable you to withdraw from it. Not every comp will ever guarantee a win, just like no deposit will either

Several players here actually managed a cashout from a comp which is always really cool to see

That's great news, looking forward to the netent games on BetAt now

I understand that, also like the fact that i do get atleast 25% bonus every time i deposit but the wagering for that is a massive 90xB, maybe lowering the wagering could be next on the agenda for Betat, like for free comps its only 10x so for deposit bonus it could be 30x instead of 90x?

 

[Igor82]

That's great news, looking forward to the netent games on BetAt now

I understand that, also like the fact that i do get atleast 25% bonus every time i deposit but the wagering for that is a massive 90xB, maybe lowering the wagering could be next on the agenda for Betat, like for free comps its only 10x so for deposit bonus it could be 30x instead of 90x?

It's EVERY deposit matched, for EVERY player. If we dropped that WR for every deposit on every player while giving 25% increase on your wining chances we would be hemorrhaging money

You will notice our weekly's - and the 2-3 adhoc matched deposits you get per month are more reasonable in terms of WR (and bonuses never lock cash in anyway).

and the free comps have a low WR as they are based on poor RTP (or general losses) and should entice a cashout. Unfortunatley, we cannot sustain awarding bonus on every deposit you make and also decrease WR, its simply not feasible sorry

However, i will look into removing the 25% and make the structure more player relevant from next month onwards, with more specific bonuses tailored for varying player groups.

Igor

 

[aceking123]

We are undergoing licencing for NetEnt games which usually takes 6-12 weeks, so i would expect them in our portfolio by (very latest) early December.

As for comps, eventually there will be a spin that will pay over the top and enable you to withdraw from it. Not every comp will ever guarantee a win, just like no deposit will either

Several players here actually managed a cashout from a comp which is always really cool to see

i happen to be one those players

although i gave it back to your casino , but hay this is part of the gambling nature you cant win them all )

good to see your trying to add some new games , what about wms ? ?

 

[Igor82]

what about wms ? ?

Not yet, maybe as a white label of another casino in order to adopt their games (same as with Aristo) however, each new provider means new licence for that provider so things start getting complicated

 

[aceking123]

Not yet, maybe as a white label of another casino in order to adopt their games (same as with Aristo) however, each new provider means new licence for that provider so things start getting complicated

yer you see us players dont think about the licence part of things, i dont anyway. good stuff anyway

 

[dionysus]

Not yet, maybe as a white label of another casino in order to adopt their games (same as with Aristo) however, each new provider means new licence for that provider so things start getting complicated

Ah screw WMS lol - can't play em (selfish of me huh?)
Even the NetEnts will be nice though, but ya, a second label with aristo would be awesome.
The slots though, IMO need a bit more tweaking for navigation (IM and TDKR dont show on the left panel for video slots) and would be nice to see under the category drop-down 'video slots'

 

[asadzareef89]

Ah screw WMS lol - can't play em (selfish of me huh?)
Even the NetEnts will be nice though, but ya, a second label with aristo would be awesome.
The slots though, IMO need a bit more tweaking for navigation (IM and TDKR dont show on the left panel for video slots) and would be nice to see under the category drop-down 'video slots'

I'll second the thing about navigation at the site, would be nice if it could be categorized line ways eg all 243 slots in 1 category n so on.

 

[slotplayer]

yeah, I used to think the casinos were "targeting me".

Hard to say if they change the rtp for chasers but most likely its just paranoia.

I mean after all these years I can't recall ever reading or hearing about some insider "spilling the beans".

 

[14 man]

Ok

I have been wondering about this a lot, I started playing online about 3-4 years ago and never had much luck but did manage few little withdrawals here and there. I have come to notice this about almost every other casino(I played at) that once you get 3-4 withdrawals your RTP goes really low and even if you hit the bonus rounds you dont get much more than 10-15x your bet.

I am talking especially about Playtech download version slots, can they be fixed for certain accounts so they don't pay out as i notice every time i log in the casino software it starts updating and after the updates I have to download the games again obviously

So is this there way of removing your previous lost sessions from the slot so you start your RTP at 100% for the new session instead of the low one that you have been losing on?

Because these updates don't update anything other than the games?

Like there's one casino I am not going to take their name as they are accredited here as well but I have been playing there for about 3 years and since August 2012 I have made 50 deposits which I have not had any luck on and hit the bonus round only on the HULK slot 3-4 times and max it paid was 20x bet(I don't bet ridiculously high, mostly between 1.5-2.5 a spin), Which has brought my overall RTP down from 88% it was in August 2012 to 51-52% in August 2013. The thing is every time I open the casino it updates and than I download the games again which has put this huge question in the back of my mind.

Can a software be rigged or tampered to lower the RTP of certain accounts as this happened after my last withdrawal when i asked them if they could tell me what my RTP was which they did but after that it has come crashing down which has made me a bit suspicious.

I have read this thread and thought it was very interesting, i know i have not been here long and i will get flogged for adding my bit but anyway, i to have noticed that once you have a withdrawal, the luck really runs out very quickly. I was playing just the other day and had a win on roulette, was able to withdraw 4500. I was happy with this and waited till the money went into my account and decided to go back and have another play. I deposited 500 and was only betting $5 chips, i was betting on two number olny and not one hit, no big surprise as the chances of hitting one of the two is not real good. I then deposited another 500, same thing again. I then deposited another 500 as i was still up from my win were i only deposited 400. Again not a thing. Thought i would step away for a bit, came back in a few hours and deposited another 500, again not a thing but the numbers were beside me so many times it was not funny. Left it for a day and came back hoping that my luck would change, deposited another 500 and nothing again. I then thought that will do for a while as am on a really bad streak. Came back the next day and deposited another 500, I was only playing two numbers, i got a hit on number 10, got my ballance up a bit, i then decided to through caution to the wind and i bet on 14 for 100 straight up, i had 1000 bankrol so thought i will play 10 times and see what happens, the next 10 numbers were as follows 15, 15, 20, 20 ,13, 31, 20,20, 28,9, my bankroll was empty i logged out. I agree that when yu withdraw it seem that the big loosing streak is right around the corner and once i have deposited the win back in , low and behold you will start to get some hits again. Not enough to cash out for a while but enough to play for a bit. So in my very underrated opinion yes i wonder if the players chance of winning is reduced after a cash out. I have been playing online for about 5 or 6 years and this seems to be a reacurring trend. Before someone says why do you continue to play, it is because i have not stated you can not win on here. Just need to know when to bail out for a while. Also when i logged back into may acount the next day i noticed that the software started from the same point were i left, the 100 bet on 14 was still there on the table. I would have thougth every thing would have been cleared after a sesion and would start fresh but this is not the case.

 

[Nifty29]

I have read this thread and thought it was very interesting, i know i have not been here long and i will get flogged for adding my bit but anyway, i to have noticed that once you have a withdrawal, the luck really runs out very quickly. I was playing just the other day and had a win on roulette, was able to withdraw 4500. I was happy with this and waited till the money went into my account and decided to go back and have another play. I deposited 500 and was only betting $5 chips, i was betting on two number olny and not one hit, no big surprise as the chances of hitting one of the two is not real good. I then deposited another 500, same thing again. I then deposited another 500 as i was still up from my win were i only deposited 400. Again not a thing. Thought i would step away for a bit, came back in a few hours and deposited another 500, again not a thing but the numbers were beside me so many times it was not funny. Left it for a day and came back hoping that my luck would change, deposited another 500 and nothing again. I then thought that will do for a while as am on a really bad streak. Came back the next day and deposited another 500, I was only playing two numbers, i got a hit on number 10, got my ballance up a bit, i then decided to through caution to the wind and i bet on 14 for 100 straight up, i had 1000 bankrol so thought i will play 10 times and see what happens, the next 10 numbers were as follows 15, 15, 20, 20 ,13, 31, 20,20, 28,9, my bankroll was empty i logged out. I agree that when yu withdraw it seem that the big loosing streak is right around the corner and once i have deposited the win back in , low and behold you will start to get some hits again. Not enough to cash out for a while but enough to play for a bit. So in my very underrated opinion yes i wonder if the players chance of winning is reduced after a cash out. I have been playing online for about 5 or 6 years and this seems to be a reacurring trend. Before someone says why do you continue to play, it is because i have not stated you can not win on here. Just need to know when to bail out for a while. Also when i logged back into may acount the next day i noticed that the software started from the same point were i left, the 100 bet on 14 was still there on the table. I would have thougth every thing would have been cleared after a sesion and would start fresh but this is not the case.

Since you're new, I will be gentle.

What I find interesting in your post is that you find absolutely nothing wrong with turning $500 into $4500 (9x deposit), but you think the game is rigged because you made $3400 in deposits after that and lost them all (although you WERE ahead a few times as you said).

In this case, you are in PROFIT overall on these figures. So what's the problem? Casinos aren't charities.

You also state you played $100 bets on a single number with a $1000 bankroll.....that is total gambling suicide. You can expect to lose you money just about every time you do that. You're giving yourself 10 chances to hit something at 37-1 real odds. Crazy.

I think your main problem is that you do not understand about bankroll management and how casino games work. Try spending some time researching and looking around the forum.

 

[14 man]

Since you're new, I will be gentle.

What I find interesting in your post is that you find absolutely nothing wrong with turning $500 into $4500 (9x deposit), but you think the game is rigged because you made $3400 in deposits after that and lost them all (although you WERE ahead a few times as you said).

In this case, you are in PROFIT overall on these figures. So what's the problem? Casinos aren't charities.

You also state you played $100 bets on a single number with a $1000 bankroll.....that is total gambling suicide. You can expect to lose you money just about every time you do that. You're giving yourself 10 chances to hit something at 37-1 real odds. Crazy.

I think your main problem is that you do not understand about bankroll management and how casino games work. Try spending some time researching and looking around the forum.

I understand that casinos are not charities, i was pointing out that after a win, the loosing streak follows hard, as for 100 stright up on a single number i agree that the odds of getting it is not great but if you do then happy days, I would say the odds of those numbers comming out consecutively when you have 100 straight are a dam site higher. would you not agree.I am stating that when you are in negatiive to a casino the money seems to last longer,you can seem to play for a lot longer, once you cash out you get smashed very hard, my thoughts only.

 

[dionysus]

I understand that casinos are not charities, i was pointing out that after a win, the loosing streak follows hard, as for 100 stright up on a single number i agree that the odds of getting it is not great but if you do then happy days, I would say the odds of those numbers comming out consecutively when you have 100 straight are a dam site higher. would you not agree.I am stating that when you are in negatiive to a casino the money seems to last longer,you can seem to play for a lot longer, once you cash out you get smashed very hard, my thoughts only.

of course I wouldn't agree - it's random - ie any previous result has no bearing on any future outcomes.
It's like people who refuse to use the same 6 numbers that just won on last week's lottery..if the winner was 1,3,7,19,42,49,there's as much a chance of 1,3,7,19,42,49 coming up as any other 6 numbers

 

[14 man]

of course I wouldn't agree - it's random - ie any previous result has no bearing on any future outcomes.
It's like people who refuse to use the same 6 numbers that just won on last week's lottery..if the winner was 1,3,7,19,42,49,there's as much a chance of 1,3,7,19,42,49 coming up as any other 6 numbers

I understand what you r saying but this was about does your chance of winning go down after a cash out, can a casino set your chance of winning to a lower amount after a win, my responce was to that, using the example of that last session to highlight my point. I agree in a truely random world any number combination is posiable. But my point of the sequence of number that was drawn was in a truely random world what are the chances of 8 out of 10 numbers right beside your number comming out when you have just placed a large bet on it. Is this because a cash out was made, big loss after a cash out.

 

[mrmark21]

I understand that casinos are not charities, i was pointing out that after a win, the loosing streak follows hard, as for 100 stright up on a single number i agree that the odds of getting it is not great but if you do then happy days, I would say the odds of those numbers comming out consecutively when you have 100 straight are a dam site higher. would you not agree.I am stating that when you are in negatiive to a casino the money seems to last longer,you can seem to play for a lot longer, once you cash out you get smashed very hard, my thoughts only.

You should be happy you won a decent ammount. I cant seem to get past 3x deposit on MG at the moment although these days I only deposit $10 a pop (not winning does that to you). You absolutely can win, they arent rigged just IMO based on my own experience a little bit to tight. Slots can be streaky (MG seem to be some of the streakiest) but I dont think they follow a win with a loss pattern. Most softwares play the same on fun mode (the only one theres been a few questions about is PT). I've closed a handfull of accounts, if your not happy with the way they roll you should do the same, no point in playing when you loose big after a win or cant even win to begin with.

 

[dionysus]

I understand what you r saying but this was about does your chance of winning go down after a cash out, can a casino set your chance of winning to a lower amount after a win, my responce was to that, using the example of that last session to highlight my point. I agree in a truely random world any number combination is posiable. But my point of the sequence of number that was drawn was in a truely random world what are the chances of 8 out of 10 numbers right beside your number comming out when you have just placed a large bet on it. Is this because a cash out was made, big loss after a cash out.

the chances would be quite normal actually, because you're looking for patterns - it's just as miraculous the number landed 14 numbers away 8 times in a row - but your brain doesnt pull out those coincidences.

 

[Nifty29]

I understand what you r saying but this was about does your chance of winning go down after a cash out, can a casino set your chance of winning to a lower amount after a win, my responce was to that, using the example of that last session to highlight my point. I agree in a truely random world any number combination is posiable. But my point of the sequence of number that was drawn was in a truely random world what are the chances of 8 out of 10 numbers right beside your number comming out when you have just placed a large bet on it. Is this because a cash out was made, big loss after a cash out.

Your chances of hitting your number on:

1. A big bet
2. A small bet
3. A medium bet
4. The next spin
5. The spin after that
6. The spin after that
7. The spin after you cashout
8. Any other spin

...is EXACTLY the same.

The ONLY way it would NOT be the same is if the software were 100% RIGGED and compensated. If you believe what you have stated about chances being different with different bets or according to whether you just cashed out, then you MUST believe that all roulette software is rigged. In that case, a brand new tinfoil hat will be duly prepared for you.

I started off gentle, but since you are pretty much ignoring what everyone is saying, it's time to be blunt.

It seems you are knowingly blowing your money on rigged games. Oh well. It's your money.

 

[asadzareef89]

Your chances of hitting your number on:

1. A big bet
2. A small bet
3. A medium bet
4. The next spin
5. The spin after that
6. The spin after that
7. The spin after you cashout
8. Any other spin

...is EXACTLY the same.

The ONLY way it would NOT be the same is if the software were 100% RIGGED and compensated. If you believe what you have stated about chances being different with different bets or according to whether you just cashed out, then you MUST believe that all roulette software is rigged. In that case, a brand new tinfoil hat will be duly prepared for you.

I started off gentle, but since you are pretty much ignoring what everyone is saying, it's time to be blunt.

It seems you are knowingly blowing your money on rigged games. Oh well. It's your money.

Nifty even if they aren't rigged its good to be sceptical as it might make him a more responsible gambler as it made me

 

[Nifty29]

Nifty even if they aren't rigged its good to be sceptical as it might make him a more responsible gambler as it made me

Well, it hasn't helped him in 6 years, so I don't like the chances.

 

[asadzareef89]

Well, it hasn't helped him in 6 years, so I don't like the chances.

Lol think of it like a game of roulette, might hit the number might not

 

[14 man]

Your chances of hitting your number on:

1. A big bet
2. A small bet
3. A medium bet
4. The next spin
5. The spin after that
6. The spin after that
7. The spin after you cashout
8. Any other spin

...is EXACTLY the same.

The ONLY way it would NOT be the same is if the software were 100% RIGGED and compensated. If you believe what you have stated about chances being different with different bets or according to whether you just cashed out, then you MUST believe that all roulette software is rigged. In that case, a brand new tinfoil hat will be duly prepared for you.

I started off gentle, but since you are pretty much ignoring what everyone is saying, it's time to be blunt.

It seems you are knowingly blowing your money on rigged games. Oh well. It's your money.

Nifty should i believe everything everyone writes on the internet or in a forum or should i ask more and more questions and be involved in more and more discussions, (this is what i thiought forums were for) If as you suggest i should just take what everyone suggest and be happy with that and not make any further comment then mayby the tin hat should come your way.

 

[asadzareef89]

Nifty should i believe everything everyone writes on the internet or in a forum or should i ask more and more questions and be involved in more and more discussions, (this is what i thiought forums were for) If as you suggest i should just take what everyone suggest and be happy with that and not make any further comment then mayby the tin hat should come your way.

No he's just pulling your leg, of course you should make a discussion that's what we are here for to share our sad stories and a good one in a blue moon lol

It's always good to go with your gut feeling, you think its rigged don't play them<that'll teach em init

 

[14 man]

Nifty can you tell me your interpretation of what the difference between odds and probability are please. How are they related/ how are they not related

 

[Nifty29]

Nifty can you tell me your interpretation of what the difference between odds and probability are please. How are they related/ how are they not related

The discussion isn't about either.

You're stating outright that online roulette is rigged, so odds and probability are irrelevant. If the casino makes you lose deliberately after you cashout, as you suggest, then the odds behind the scenes would change whenever the casino wants them to.

The fact that you're ignoring your initial comments and changing the subject tells me you're out of arguments.

 

[14 man]

The discussion isn't about either.

You're stating outright that online roulette is rigged, so odds and probability are irrelevant. If the casino makes you lose deliberately after you cashout, as you suggest, then the odds behind the scenes would change whenever the casino wants them to.

The fact that you're ignoring your initial comments and changing the subject tells me you're out of arguments.

No not at all, you were the one who bought up about odds all being the same, no matter what the bet size or weather or not you have just cashed out. So odds and or probability are relevant. The whole gambling world runs on this theroy so how is it not relevent or did google not find the anwser for you fast enough.

 

[14 man]

i have to leave now but will be back on later to continue this great learning exercise with you Nifty