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Can a casino set its own RTP on a game or is it down to the manufacturer ?

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by ESCJAMIE, Sep 9, 2018.

    Sep 9, 2018
  1. ESCJAMIE

    ESCJAMIE Full Member

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    I only ask as I find with many games such as Danger high voltage when it first came out I was seeing massive wins everywhere from the bonus, But past few months its seems to be dead every bonus round I get its awful and the wins arnt as big or as common now days. Is it just a myth casinos make RTP high on new games then lower it or is it just the fact the "new" slots are now "old" and less popular so less wins being shared
     
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  3. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

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    seen a tonne of streamers talking about this saying its been dead for months. I dont see wins or anything anywhere really anymore. Seems they nuked the slot.
     
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  5. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    I think it's only fair people give this billions of spins before making judgement etc etc :D
     
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  7. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    lol^^

    you'll be told NO, I'll be ridiculed for this post...

    I believe they CAN set every slot per casino BUT only a specific range (IE: they can't dial it down to 10% like most sessions seems)

    I posted this years ago (or something similar) got laughed off the stage and then oh dear, The Play N Go fiasco appeared, revealing that I was right all along :rolleyes:

    I'd say they can set between say 90% and 97% as very rough examples.

    As for DHV! - Not one of BTG's slots plays as their original / first release versions did. I'd put this down to greed and popularity but being new in the markets, who knows if BTG were losing money when they first started out with the huge hits we were seeing pretty much daily ???????
     
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  9. ESCJAMIE

    ESCJAMIE Full Member

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    Wouldn't this be publicly available thou cause if you got it to games info it states the RTP on the game it self surely if they was able to change it wouldn't they be updating the RTP stated, I wonder if the gambling commission would tell you.
     
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  11. samikk

    samikk Full Member

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    This is the topic which creates a lot of emotions for some members of this forum. Be ready for a shitstorm @ESCJAMIE.

    "Shut up! It's all random!" someone could say...

    These BTG slots can be stone cold for ages and I think you're right about this DHV slot. It's not even cold nowadays, it's totally dead. There's no point to play it anymore, because it's way too hard to get that decent win to make a profit.
     
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  13. eizei

    eizei Experienced Member MM

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    I've seen some very big wins on DHV including by streamers in the past month and haven't done too bad myself. I think we go through this with almost every highly volatile release. At first you have tons of people playing so you're gonna see a lot of big wins and then over time the brutal high variance starts hitting more and more people, even those who initially won big, and people are inevitably going to play it less and then we get threads about how games were paying more at release. Sounds extremely unlikely that an RTP much less than advertised or option to change it would be able to slip by the independent testing these games go through or that providers, casinos and testers are all in on some grand conspiracy. I mean if a slot was actually a 93% RTP game instead of 96% that it's advertised to be the casinos (especially the big ones) would quickly notice this. So if you wanted to release such a scam slot you would have to have every single casino that it's playable at in on it on top of fooling the regulators and testers and that sounds extremely unrealistic. I've also never heard of a case where RTP was listed as one number but was proven to be another from any of the providers around today. I think once you start putting together what actually needs to happen to make a conspiracy such as this plausible it just fall apart very quickly.

    In my mind there's no doubt all of this mostly stems from how human brains work. We're incredibly good at recognising patterns which comes with the downside of having a really hard time dealing with randomness. You see this not just in gambling but in everyday life. Something terrible happens and people have the need to assign a reason or a cause other than pure randomness even when that is clearly the case. I think everyone has heard countless such statements about slots too as in how 1,2 draws never land, last spin of bonus never pays, lowering/raising bet affecting gameplay etc. Imo this is all just people seeing patterns where there are none because our brains are wired to look for them.
     
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  15. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    It depends on if you're an affiliate or not - if you don't get 'affiliate RTP' then you'll see less big wins.
     
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  17. rena35

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    So the people who suspected that a casino was cheating and it turned out they were, was imagining things ? Cleared it up for me thanks. The blacklist is there for a reason and some casinos have been caught and thrown in the pit.



    Then again i can only play at certain casinos so I can't speak on all of them.
     
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  19. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    F**k Affiliate RTP, you're on Dunover RTP :p:laugh:
     
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  21. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    All this time, We assumed his username to be aimed towards himself........:oops: :oops:
     
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  23. goatwack

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    Richie Rich was already copyrighted :(
     
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  25. trancemonkey

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    Jono.... Why would you be ridiculed? You're right.

    Every games provider will make their games with however many RTP variants they desire. The more they offer the more costs they incur but I would imagine most games are offered with a few different RTPs. I would doubt any go lower than 90% with the lowest one but I've not seen any online lower than 91...

    Each casino can choose which version of the RTP to offer it's players. Of course the RTP must be stated so you will know if it's changed.
     
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  27. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    There are no wins to share.. they aren't compensated. But yes a casino could change the RTP to a lower one if the games provider has created a range of RTP options
     
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  29. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    This discussion actually makes sense. Remember the good old philosophy u win big at a casino. Make sure to withdraw and bank ur winnings. Then we say make deposit somewhere else don't play here for a while as you just won. I have done that multiple times won big one casino then spunked it 3 other casinos.

    From now on if we do well at certain slot at a casino then maybe its wise to carry on here. Play certain slots at casinos we get best results at as could be RTP is set highest these places? I would expect casino groups has same rtp set across the brands but who knows :)

    Casinos do list their RTP would be cool with a full overview of all accredited casinos with rtp set for each software (i mean where highest rtp is for different software providers)
     
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  31. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    You mean Twitch/Youtube(special bonus special bons special bonus) streamer affiliate :D
     
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  33. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Oh dear TranceM! Let me tell you I have numerous Playtechs in the 89-91% range in my data....in fact there was a recent one I added which was 91.40% White Lion 2, and those Top Trumps ones could be offered at 88-96%.
     
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  35. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

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    Mega Moolah 89% .... and more :)
     
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  37. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

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    I have seen lower RTP with Play n Go and Pragmatic.
    Also with MG but can't be sure about that because they don't have the RTP in the info file.

    I think you can always trust Netent. They always have the RTP in the info.
    When you see a Play n Go game without the RTP in the info file, that casino has lower RTP settings.
    It is especially hard to find out the RTP of some providers in most casinos.

    I have no idea about BTG and specifically DHV because I hate it and never had a spin on it even in fun mode. :)
     
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  39. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    Well you have far more info than me on this... I wonder if any of them actually use them live other than in some dodgy foreign casinos...

    Thanks for correcting me :)
     
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