Brexit - whats the difference.....

[mack341]

To be fair she only has herself to blame.
She has tried to play 'both sides' to appease as many people as possible.

She spent a long time trying to make the HP books more 'woke', when people didnt buy it she simply switched teams.
The below video makes a good job explaining what she was doing until she figured out people didnt like it.
Also its pretty funny, 'Professor Snape was a single mother'

That is true she did start ascribing new characteristics, she is a lady of the left [iirc used to work for amnesty before the writing took off], but the political scene and goalposts have changed a lot since 2001, so she probably felt the need to update and prove her credentials.

But has decided to draw a line in the sand regarding traditional feminism and trans men's rights and the new female definitions.

She's failed some kind of purity spiral test for the actors involved in those films, there's almost a puzzled blank 'who?' response when jk rowling gets mentioned to them, absolute madness.

 

[Kroffe]

Same as Sharon Davies' speaking up to protect women's sport,

A bit off-topic, but i really think they should make a league where everything goes.
So many top level athletes are already cheating using steroids and whatnot, but they obviously have to be a bit sneaky about it.

Sure, people following the rules can swim pretty fast, but can they swim as fast as a dolphin?




Im telling you, its the next big thing.
Dope-olympics.

 

[dunover]

Scary thought - the SNP hate private enterprise, as do their partners in crime, the Greens.

With little desire, nor ideas, on how to grow an economy you'd be left with the only thing they know: increased taxation and regulation

Might see a SNP-LAB-Green power pact, or: a Trinity of Terror

I notice the deafening silence from the Communist 'Green' Party regarding the fuel and energy cost crisis. The UK govt. have frozen fuel duty for nigh on 13 years, and VAT on energy. Much to the consternation of the Greens who believe that duty rises would 'ration' the commodity and make people use it more economically. (BS, the richer would use the same and the poorer would be hit.)

Assuming no recent price crisis and all things being equal to say a 'normal' period 4 years ago when it was just over £1.05 a litre, I think, the price per litre would have been £1.45-50 had fuel duty gone up solely with inflation for the last 13 years, disregarding any real-terms duty increases, which the Greens actually advocated.

Now we can see the catastrophic effects of expensive fuel and energy via the punitive prices affecting transport, deliveries, agriculture, food as well as home heating. So you've now got a real example of what would've happened if the Green lunatics had control and we had had inflation-plus fuel duty rises for the last 13 years. It wouldn't just be the last 12-18 months people would have been suffering, but long before that. The fact this all hurts the working class, benefits brigade and poorer workers hardest (those most likely to be attracted to the Green's socialist leanings) explains their silence as it's given away what they are all about and it's their potential support base that's been thoroughly stuffed. QED

 

[dunover]

I'm no big fan of O'Leary, but he's calling out leaving the Single Market for what it is, a disaster for UK Plc.

Companies like Ryanair prosper because people want things for cheap, they want cheap flights, Ryanair delivers that, and in doing so, yes, they employ quite a lot of unscrupulous practices. Corporations are evil, and they do evil shit, which is why we need strong government to reign in their excesses. The UK government showed no inclination to do that whilst we were in the EU, and it shows equally little inclination to do it now we're outside the EU. (Quite the opposite in fact, as it starts to tear up some of the protections that were afforded to UK citizens under EU law.)

As for 'all lives matter'.

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Either you are incapable of making your own arguments intellectually (which I don't believe myself at all!) hence the constant need to paste in the opinions of others constantly, OR you feel you are somehow talking down to the rest of us here so consider you need pictures to explain things as we are still at the Ladybird Books learning stage.

That aside, there is glaring omission to your patronizing pictorial analogy which changes the whole context and meaning: the fact the occupants of the house on fire set it ablaze themselves.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I notice the deafening silence from the Communist 'Green' Party regarding the fuel and energy cost crisis. The UK govt. have frozen fuel duty for nigh on 13 years, and VAT on energy. Much to the consternation of the Greens who believe that duty rises would 'ration' the commodity and make people use it more economically. (BS, the richer would use the same and the poorer would be hit.)

Assuming no recent price crisis and all things being equal to say a 'normal' period 4 years ago when it was just over £1.05 a litre, I think, the price per litre would have been £1.45-50 had fuel duty gone up solely with inflation for the last 13 years, disregarding any real-terms duty increases, which the Greens actually advocated.

Now we can see the catastrophic effects of expensive fuel and energy via the punitive prices affecting transport, deliveries, agriculture, food as well as home heating. So you've now got a real example of what would've happened if the Green lunatics had control and we had had inflation-plus fuel duty rises for the last 13 years. It wouldn't just be the last 12-18 months people would have been suffering, but long before that. The fact this all hurts the working class, benefits brigade and poorer workers hardest (those most likely to be attracted to the Green's socialist leanings) explains their silence as it's given away what they are all about and it's their potential support base that's been thoroughly stuffed. QED

That sounds like an awesome Brexit Dividend dunover, the Greens haven't had any influence on government policy ever, and now we get to erect strawmen to kick the shit out of to demonstrate how it would definitely be worse if we hadn't had a Tory government for the last twelve years.

Is this really the measure of 'success' now? Literally 'Look over there, it would have been worse under them, honest!' Last time I filled my car up it cost me over £100, so when I'm next watching the display on the pump crest £100, I'll definitely be thinking how lucky I am that the Greens didn't, erm, do anything ever to affect the situation we find ourselves in.

The Greens generally get about what, around 3-4% of the popular vote?

Next up on the Dunover Show, why the Tories are great and Brexit is brilliant when viewed through the prism of what if the Monster Raving Loony Party were in power.

 

[dunover]

That sounds like an awesome Brexit Dividend dunover, the Greens haven't had any influence on government policy ever, and now we get to erect strawmen to kick the shit out of to demonstrate how it would definitely be worse if we hadn't had a Tory government for the last twelve years.

Is this really the measure of 'success' now? Literally 'Look over there, it would have been worse under them, honest!' Last time I filled my car up it cost me over £100, so when I'm next watching the display on the pump crest £100, I'll definitely be thinking how lucky I am that the Greens didn't, erm, do anything ever to affect the situation we find ourselves in.

The Greens generally get about what, around 3-4% of the popular vote?

Next up on the Dunover Show, why the Tories are great and Brexit is brilliant when viewed through the prism of what if the Monster Raving Loony Party were in power.

Another of your illogical tangents - I am not referring to the party in general, have not mentioned Brexit here, nor the Tories but am simply exemplifying the situation we would be in if following the rantings of the Greens - if you look I quoted the @pinnit2014 post where there's a danger they could hold sway in Scotland so am agreeing with the chronic results likely of such an alliance from hell. And I speak facts here that you can check in my first post, rather than your ridicule-laden replies bereft of any foundation.

 

[paul7388]

That sounds like an awesome Brexit Dividend dunover, the Greens haven't had any influence on government policy ever, and now we get to erect strawmen to kick the shit out of to demonstrate how it would definitely be worse if we hadn't had a Tory government for the last twelve years.

Is this really the measure of 'success' now? Literally 'Look over there, it would have been worse under them, honest!' Last time I filled my car up it cost me over £100, so when I'm next watching the display on the pump crest £100, I'll definitely be thinking how lucky I am that the Greens didn't, erm, do anything ever to affect the situation we find ourselves in.

The Greens generally get about what, around 3-4% of the popular vote?

Next up on the Dunover Show, why the Tories are great and Brexit is brilliant when viewed through the prism of what if the Monster Raving Loony Party were in power.

As Dunover has pointed out the Greens have actually had quite a say in what happens. In Scotland anyway.

The little dictator has even had to go against things her party represent in order to keep the green party happy.

Several policies have been implemented or changed on the Green Parties say. As up here anyway she needs to keep them sweet and accomodate their wishes as all they have to do is vote against her and she has no majority to implement anything.

So be careful as same can happen very easily down in England if a party needs the Green seats to gain a parliament.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I guess it's all cool since we have another planet to fall back on if we completely fuck this one up, stupid Greens.

 

[dunover]

Well I guess it's all cool since we have another planet to fall back on if we completely fuck this one up, stupid Greens.

Errrr...it's chronic overpopulation and overcrowding that's fucking the planet up, human expansion. Which the Greens will help on a local scale in the UK with an open-door policy.

 

[goatwack]

I'm not exactly convinced Carrie's Boris' 'green' agenda was anything other than another sound bite he deployed to gain favour among younger voters, with projections so far-reaching into 2050 and beyond, that it was a case of:

'Sounds great now, but it'll be forgotten in five years'

Not to mention the sheer hubris of essentially forcing people to adopt this brave new world. With no thought of sustaining these ideas, nor the topic of how recharging an electric car for example will use more resources and be more detrimental than not, how families can't afford to fund these new changes, how throwing away a carrier bag doesn't make them evil beings, how no one gives a flying monkey's about 'microplastics', amongst other things.

And yet we're told to conform to a radical green overhaul, as China & co continue to churn filth into the atmosphere at alarming levels. Not a peep from anyone, and yet, be sure to use paper straws on your drinks (incidentally, the very companies extolling these 'green' virtues, eg McDonald's, have the kind of plastic on their drinks that wouldn't break down in millions of years, but yes, go paper straws!)

It's all a circus, the Green Parties are and always will be a joke, with their only moment in the spotlight being now, to attain something resembling relevance. Only thing they'll ever be good for is middle- aged cat women floater voters or for other parties to hoover up to a position of strength.

ps let's all keep some context here. Despite what these flavour-of-the-month chancer politicians try and tell you, you're not the cause of the planet's problems, as I very much doubt most people's carbon footprints to be anything other than negligible. Be a responsible adult, have an awareness (apparently people before 2016 never knew about changing climates or nuffing), take your flipping plastic to be recycled if you wish, and try not to be overly wasteful in your energy consumption.

Everything else is just inane messaging by politicians thinking they can label you a bad person so as to further their political aspirations. I sincerely doubt Boris will pursue a green-laden existence past his tenure as he climbs into his private jet

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Errrr...it's chronic overpopulation and overcrowding that's fucking the planet up, human expansion. Which the Greens will help on a local scale in the UK with an open-door policy.

This is what I don’t get.

It’s all well and good preaching from a moral high ground that we need to keep letting all and sundry through our borders, but we’re an island. We have finite space, finite resources. I’m fed up of our green spaces being built on, I’m fed up of local infrastructure crumbling because it can’t carry the population.

It’s nothing to do with underfunding, our population just can’t keep continuing to expand. We’ve overshot carrying capacity.

 

[mack341]

England and Wales' population in 1911 was 36 million, that was with large families and lots of manufacturing industry jobs, growth of the cities etc..

Fast forward today and it is 59.5 million with a fraction of the industry; in 2011 it was 56 m, so an annual population increase of 350,000, that's a lot of extra housing needed, which with the uk's north european climate will require a lot of energy and fuel to warm during winter months.

At what point will enough be enough, even pro-immigration, good for the economy advocates, 75-80+ million?? They will never say, to them it seems, to be on the safe side, infinite expansion is best, anything less is waycist!

 

[goatwack]

I don't think there's an objective figure that gets placed on it, it's simply 'as many as need be'. What you'll find then is that there's less to go around, and those settled here will be affected too.

It will take a forthright minister to announce that essentially "We cannot take any more arrivals", and coupled with this country's politicians being frightened out of their wits to be labelled racist, it's been far easier to turn a blind eye and pass the issue on to the next lot.

Give it time and you'll hear those families that have set up their lives here over recent years, stating that Britain cannot hope to sustain such population surges and expect everything to be running A-ok. And Priti Patel's incompetence is so apparent that even Boris is thinking of shuffling her out of her post. Can you imagine?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm old enough to remember when people said that Brexit wasn't all about THE IMMIGRANTS....

I covered this the other day, the UK's native population is ageing and the birthrate is cratering, we're not having enough babies, an ageing nation is a declining nation. There's all sorts of stuff the UK government could do to encourage the native population to have more babies, but it won't do that (and indeed often pursues policies that are actively hostile towards people who might want to start families), so we need immigration - which is why the drop in EU migration post-Brexit has been quietly replaced with migration from non-EU countries.

It's convenient to blame public services stretched beyond breaking point on immigrants, personally I'd be inclined to point at twelve years of Tory austerity as being more of a critical factor.

Just because you think the UK is 'full', doesn't mean it is. The South East is reasonably densely populated (although far less so than many other places in the world), but once you get beyond that region, there's plenty of space, and the UK overall isn't that densely populated, even compared to other countries in Europe. (For example Belgium and the Netherlands.)

If we had a sane housing policy that wasn't so obsessed with preserving green space (which we have loads of), along with building decent housing in appropriate locations, and putting in place the transport links to service it, the bits of the UK that do feel overcrowded would be far less so.

But yeah, immigration, that's the problem.

 

[pinnit2014]

Hold on Choppers: one post you like the Green's commitment to the planet, the next, you want to build on Greenbelt?

Incidentally, up here, there are more and more Local Authority decisions (for example, refusing permission to build on Greenbelt) that are being overruled by the Scot Govt (in the name of wider economic/housing interests): there was potential for housing developments around Loch Lomond, and some sort of 'park' that thankfully didn't go ahead.

Ideally you'd want to build in the Brownsites but as we know, developers don't want that - land contamination, increased surveys needed = most costs.

 

[dunover]

I'm old enough to remember when people said that Brexit wasn't all about THE IMMIGRANTS....

I covered this the other day, the UK's native population is ageing and the birthrate is cratering, we're not having enough babies, an ageing nation is a declining nation. There's all sorts of stuff the UK government could do to encourage the native population to have more babies, but it won't do that (and indeed often pursues policies that are actively hostile towards people who might want to start families), so we need immigration - which is why the drop in EU migration post-Brexit has been quietly replaced with migration from non-EU countries.

It's convenient to blame public services stretched beyond breaking point on immigrants, personally I'd be inclined to point at twelve years of Tory austerity as being more of a critical factor.

Just because you think the UK is 'full', doesn't mean it is. The South East is reasonably densely populated (although far less so than many other places in the world), but once you get beyond that region, there's plenty of space, and the UK overall isn't that densely populated, even compared to other countries in Europe. (For example Belgium and the Netherlands.)

If we had a sane housing policy that wasn't so obsessed with preserving green space (which we have loads of), along with building decent housing in appropriate locations, and putting in place the transport links to service it, the bits of the UK that do feel overcrowded would be far less so.

But yeah, immigration, that's the problem.

Er...the most densely populated country in Europe is NOT densely populated? WTF?? We overtook Holland a few years ago for top spot!

So, we let millions of migrants in, and within a few decades THEY get old. So what's the answer then? Millions more to 'care' for them when they get old? So an upward spiral to hell, a self-perpetuating illogical overpopulation of our lands? Insane, just insane.

As for 'green' land, as we only produce 60% of our food consumption, what happens when it's built over? I see, we rely on imports, then are wholly exposed to the vagaries of international trade in grain and oils etc. And we can see how well that's going right now, a war on the fringes of Europe has demostrated how vulnerable the whole system is.

And you should be more exact - the INDIGENOUS birthrate is falling, but migrant families are having over twice the amount of children. Which as I said earlier, can only lead to societal breakdown eventually, conflict. Check your history books.

Do we not have unemployed people here, to fill vacancies? Yes, but due to the system allowing employers to cherry-pick off the shelf migrants and not train the existing population, the failures are evident.

And the selfish assertion that we have 'enough green space' assumes non of us value this, none of us consider it to be essential to our mental health and quality of life and we should all be happy seeing it concreted, forever?

I see your vision for the UK is something like that of Hong Kong, one Victoria Park and the rest of it high-rise blocks, flypapers stuck with human lives and for those who cannot get one, a small cage to live in. Welcome to Chopley's new UK utopia! But hey, we'll be able to fill vacancies easier.

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Hey Chopley, if you wonder why some of us vote for the buffoons and idiots to keep people like C*rbyn out....

 

[justdoit]

Er...the most densely populated country in Europe is NOT densely populated? WTF?? We overtook Holland a few years ago for top spot!

So, we let millions of migrants in, and within a few decades THEY get old. So what's the answer then? Millions more to 'care' for them when they get old? So an upward spiral to hell, a self-perpetuating illogical overpopulation of our lands? Insane, just insane.

As for 'green' land, as we only produce 60% of our food consumption, what happens when it's built over? I see, we rely on imports, then are wholly exposed to the vagaries of international trade in grain and oils etc. And we can see how well that's going right now, a war on the fringes of Europe has demostrated how vulnerable the whole system is.

And you should be more exact - the INDIGENOUS birthrate is falling, but migrant families are having over twice the amount of children. Which as I said earlier, can only lead to societal breakdown eventually, conflict. Check your history books.

Do we not have unemployed people here, to fill vacancies? Yes, but due to the system allowing employers to cherry-pick off the shelf migrants and not train the existing population, the failures are evident.

And the selfish assertion that we have 'enough green space' assumes non of us value this, none of us consider it to be essential to our mental health and quality of life and we should all be happy seeing it concreted, forever?

I see your vision for the UK is something like that of Hong Kong, one Victoria Park and the rest of it high-rise blocks, flypapers stuck with human lives and for those who cannot get one, a small cage to live in. Welcome to Chopley's new UK utopia! But hey, we'll be able to fill vacancies easier.

Coming to a village near you:


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Hey Chopley, if you wonder why some of us vote for the buffoons and idiots to keep people like C*rbyn out....

migrants pay tax just like another british, I pay over 500k a year, maybe I should avoid tax just like most British companies they doing, it takes 30 mins to move all tax payment to channel island, and pay 2% and avoid 25% British tax
last xmas UK got stuck without migrants work force, most of British dont want to work they prefer to go in jobcentre and get GOV benefits

 

[goatwack]

An island of work-shy bums. Difficult to argue against that one!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

migrants pay tax just like another british, I pay over 500k a year, maybe I should avoid tax just like most British companies they doing, it takes 30 mins to move all tax payment to channel island, and pay 2% and avoid 25% British tax
last xmas UK got stuck without migrants work force, most of British dont want to work they prefer to go in jobcentre and get GOV benefits

500k tax a year?

Business owner?

 

[pinnit2014]

I'd like to thank the Polish and Romanian workers for A. Turning up B. Working in my house and C. Making sure it's not a construction site

To the British who came (or said they would) I'd like to ask: is 14 months waiting for a quote normal?

I'd have done the work myself but being from these shores it all seemed, you know, too much effort

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I'd like to thank the Polish and Romanian workers for A. Turning up B. Working in my house and C. Making sure it's not a construction site

To the British who came (or said they would) I'd like to ask: is 14 months waiting for a quote normal?

I'd have done the work myself but being from these shores it all seemed, you know, too much effort

The issue isn’t surrounding the productivity of Romanians, Polish, the British etc…the issue is one of population and carrying capacity of our island. It’s as simple as that. Nothing to do with nationality and everything to do with the sheer number of people and the demands placed on our infrastructure.

 

[goatwack]

Once had a mate of a mate wallpaper our living room. At around the 1/8 mark we casually terminated his services, as it had more bubbles in it than an Aero bar

 

[pinnit2014]

Sorry about that: had to rush home to catch Home and Away.

 

[goatwack]

This is what some people seem to not understand. To say an overpopulated island is getting overpopulated isn't racist. It makes me laugh, because especially in London, all my life it's been the most accepting place probably on God's green earth.

So it's nothing to do with Romanians, Bulgarians, Polish, Muslim etc. It's about the SPACE this country has to realistically sustain anything resembling a quality of life. You know, the very thing people wish to attain when laying down roots here.

Cue cries of how dare anyone suggest they know best. Let's have 200 million people here, I mean why not. We could all live in pods and be on Universal Basic Income, whilst reminiscing about the good ol' days of when we still exported Marmite and Yorkshire Tea to the world

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Er...the most densely populated country in Europe is NOT densely populated? WTF?? We overtook Holland a few years ago for top spot!

So, we let millions of migrants in, and within a few decades THEY get old. So what's the answer then? Millions more to 'care' for them when they get old? So an upward spiral to hell, a self-perpetuating illogical overpopulation of our lands? Insane, just insane.

As for 'green' land, as we only produce 60% of our food consumption, what happens when it's built over? I see, we rely on imports, then are wholly exposed to the vagaries of international trade in grain and oils etc. And we can see how well that's going right now, a war on the fringes of Europe has demostrated how vulnerable the whole system is.

And you should be more exact - the INDIGENOUS birthrate is falling, but migrant families are having over twice the amount of children. Which as I said earlier, can only lead to societal breakdown eventually, conflict. Check your history books.

Do we not have unemployed people here, to fill vacancies? Yes, but due to the system allowing employers to cherry-pick off the shelf migrants and not train the existing population, the failures are evident.

And the selfish assertion that we have 'enough green space' assumes non of us value this, none of us consider it to be essential to our mental health and quality of life and we should all be happy seeing it concreted, forever?

I see your vision for the UK is something like that of Hong Kong, one Victoria Park and the rest of it high-rise blocks, flypapers stuck with human lives and for those who cannot get one, a small cage to live in. Welcome to Chopley's new UK utopia! But hey, we'll be able to fill vacancies easier.

Coming to a village near you:


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Hey Chopley, if you wonder why some of us vote for the buffoons and idiots to keep people like C*rbyn out....

Population densities, here's the data, check for yourself, we're not even top of the pops in Europe let alone the rest of the world. (And not much different to, for example, Germany.)

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And as I said in my earlier post, the issue the UK has with population density is how the population is distributed, if you evened out the population across the UK (which is of course a long term project, but is entirely achievable if the desire is there), the places that are more crowded (which aren't even that crowded now) would become less so.

Maybe the government could actually do some of its much vaunted 'levelling up' and get to work on the North-South divide.

As for the green land, we have an awful lot of land in this country that isn't being used for anything, whether or not it could or should be used for farming is neither here nor there in context of the fact it isn't being used for farming now. And these are not the fields you're walking in for the good of your mental health, but vast tracts of land well off the beaten path.

Citing Hong Kong is alarmist nonsense, and you know it, Hong Kong is the fourth most densely populated country in the world, the UK is 49th.

Again, check the data -

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If you're so unhappy about 'the system' picking 'off the shelf migrants' (both your phrases) for jobs instead of salt of the earth UK folks who'd do the jobs if only THE SYSTEM would let them, you should probably have a word with the UK government, last time I checked it was the Tories who'd been in power for twelve years, the same government that's been handing out visas like they're going out of fashion to.... checks notes..... a load of immigrants from non-EU countries, to replace all the folks who won't come here from the EU.

As for growing more of our own food, it'd be handy if we didn't have fields full of perfectly good food rotting in the ground up and down the country, because there aren't enough EU workers to do it, and it turns out HARD WORKING PATRIOTIC BRITS can't be fucking arsed to do it, even when the pay is good.