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Brexit - whats the difference.....

ChopleyIOM said:
Not really, there's nothing stopping any national government putting whatever employment and wage laws into effect they want, in or out of the EU. Zero hours contracts and a minimum wage that is far too low, for example, have a lot to answer for. (I'd like to see the former outlawed and the latter be a lot higher.)

Also, there's not a great deal of evidence to back up the pay suppression argument, it definitely did happen to a limited degree in certain sectors, but the overall impact was a lot less than many people imagine. I'll see if I can find the studies/research into it, I was reading over some of it a few weeks ago.

Project Fear (now rebranded as Project Reality) cited labour shortages in many areas as a near certain consequence of a hard Brexit, and that's exactly what's happened.
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According to Dominic Frisby, remoaners said there would be "riots, food shortages, 4 million jobs lost, no sandwiches, an outbreak of super gonorrhea, house price crash, cost of 4650 to every household, stock market crash and recession would last for years..."

Right let's see:

Food Shortages - nope, never seen any apart from Haywards Strong and Zingy Pickled Onions.
Riots - nope unless the 'Free Britney' campaign arrives here soon.
No sandwiches - just made one, and there's plenty in the supermarket and petrol station.
4 million jobs lost - nope, the opposite, labour in high demand as predicted by leavers.
Super Gonorrhea - not as far as I'm aware although I never get any so wouldn't notice.
House price crash - just the opposite, boom.
Cost of £4650 to each household - nope, all the same as before.
Stock market crash - nope, just the oposite.
Recession lasting for years - can't see no recession, growing economy right now although COVID's input is hard to gauge for the future.


So remoaner project fear was, well, just that. :cheerleader:

Polexit - interesting stuff. Seems they're sick to the back teeth with EU bullshit too.

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I'd imagine there being less choice for consumers to be 'not a good thing', but certainly, from a position where people have everything available to them and then some, not the apocalypse that's made out.

I'd also wager that there are regional disparities for certain food items, I don't think anyone expected equal numbers across the land, much like the lopsided fuel shortages we've seen.

Bit idealistic to deflect viewers' concerns by infusing one's personal opinions about the meaning of Christmas to suit their narrative, as Christmas has never been about goodwill to all men and basking in Christmas cheer and optimism. It's pretty much about getting the latest must-have toy or competing to see who can buy the flashiest gifts for whoever, at least in this country :laugh:

Furthermore, idiocy remains strong, as the usual suspects become fearful of the media's whip-lashing them into panic-buying things they may not even need. So we can thank our wonderfully responsible and unaccountable media for that.

So whilst annoying, it's not as though the shelves are truly bare, not that I've seen. Yes, own-branded supermarket items may be scooped up in droves but you're just as likely to find an equivalent item perched beside it for 25p more.

And please someone tell me when the Christmas run-up wasn't like the early days of the Wild West, and people could calmly go about their business, and find every item available to them?

In a nutshell, give it a rest, media outlets. Your shit-stirring's becoming tiresome

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cncas2123 said:
The effects of Brexit must be very far reaching - Lebanon suffering from fuel shortages and obviously Chopley will say its all down to Brexit...

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cncas2123 allow me to introduce you to the concept of false equivalence.

You'll get on well :)

You know that Lebanon is a very poor country (75% of the population live in poverty) and they also had an explosion at one of their major electricity sites fairly recently?

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ChopleyIOM said:
cncas2123 allow me to introduce you to the concept of false equivalence.

You'll get on well :)

You know that Lebanon is a very poor country (75% of the population live in poverty) and they also had an explosion at one of their major electricity sites fairly recently?

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But surely thats what all the remoaners, yourself included, is classing the UK as now? In your eyes they are a third world backward country without the EU to hold their hand? Surely thats what project fear was about, I mean the whole UK would collapse after a no vote, the banking infrastructure would collapse, civilisation in the UK would cease to exist? Thats what we were told, thats where you hope we are, and in this case it is definitely not a false equivalence...
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Already done it:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-185#post-1219198

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How can the drivers move around the EU when there is a massive shortage of drivers? A shortage is a shortage even with EU freedom of movement, or don't you understand that?
As you mention Poland, are you not following how the Polish legal system has said EU law not compatible with the Polish constitution?

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In fact I would say its not compatible with any constitution, unelected bureaucrats making laws that are self serving and lining the EU snout in the trough club🐷🐷
 
cncas2123 said:
But surely thats what all the remoaners, yourself included, is classing the UK as now? In your eyes they are a third world backward country without the EU to hold their hand? Surely thats what project fear was about, I mean the whole UK would collapse after a no vote, the banking infrastructure would collapse, civilisation in the UK would cease to exist? Thats what we were told, thats where you hope we are, and in this case it is definitely not a false equivalence...
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Find me a single post where I've even remotely said anything you're asserting there cncas. (Spoiler alert - you won't.)
 
Daavid63 said:
How can the drivers move around the EU when there is a massive shortage of drivers? A shortage is a shortage even with EU freedom of movement, or don't you understand that?
As you mention Poland, are you not following how the Polish legal system has said EU law not compatible with the Polish constitution?

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In fact I would say its not compatible with any constitution, unelected bureaucrats making laws that are self serving and lining the EU snout in the trough club🐷🐷
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Goodness me I literally explain this in the post quoted above, an inherent shortage in the Polish LGV driver market doesn't impact them in remotely the same way because the drivers have freedom of movement within the entire EU, so they can plan their journeys easily around making sure that they 'touch base' as it were back in Poland with sufficient regularity to mitigate the problem.

As for unelected bureaucrats, I don't remember anyone voting for Lord Frost, who is now apparently very surprised at how shit the Brexit deal he negotiated is.

(As for snouts in the trough, are you even remotely aware of the absolute bonanza the Tories and their mates have had at the expense of the British taxpayer over both Covid and Brexit? Then again, at least they're British snouts, I suppose.)
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Find me a single post where I've even remotely said anything you're asserting there cncas. (Spoiler alert - you won't.)
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You frequently quote project fear, and Cameron and co frequently quoted how there would be a banking crisis, an immediate rise in taxes and that inflation would fly through the roof if there was a vote to leave the EU.
There would also be a mass exodus of people leaving the UK, no EU citizens would want to stay etc etc.
As usual you pick and chose what you stand over, anything you can grasp to in the hope the UK will go crawling back cap in hand and beg the EU to take is back.
 
Poland and other Eastern European countries had labour shortages way before Brexit. As a result of this, they had to increase wages to attract that labour. Those that resided in the UK decided to move back to their home country and probably would have done irrespective of Brexit
 
cncas2123 said:
You frequently quote project fear, and Cameron and co frequently quoted how there would be a banking crisis, an immediate rise in taxes and that inflation would fly through the roof if there was a vote to leave the EU.
There would also be a mass exodus of people leaving the UK, no EU citizens would want to stay etc etc.
As usual you pick and chose what you stand over, anything you can grasp to in the hope the UK will go crawling back cap in hand and beg the EU to take is back.
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I'm not entirely sure how many different ways I can try to make the same point, I have frequently been critical of how the Remain side handled the referendum and its aftermath in this thread, and quite recently too.

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As for Project Fear, I've already responded to that here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/brexit-whats-the-difference.86997/page-185#post-1219174

I've got to be honest it gets to the point where it's hard to keep responding to the same straw man arguments, false equivalences and outright assertions that I've said something I never have, especially when I've gone over every single point, multiple times, in this thread.

I appreciate we all have other things going in our lives, but I do at least take the time to read every post in this thread, and store what people say in my memory banks, and base my posts going forward on that basis, but when we're at the stage that the debate is reduced to 'Electricity plant blows up in one of the poorest countries in the world, I bet Chopley will try and blame this on Brexit' - it's hard to keep doing it.

You know what folks, enjoy Brexit, you won, I'll leave it there. Blue passports made in Poland and a UK that is weakened both politically and economically on the international stage, £350m per week for the NHS that never existed (tax rises instead), and a bunch of charlatans in government making out like bandits off the backs of UK taxpayers.

If you want to call that a win, then it's not for me to try to disabuse you of that notion - enjoy your victory, but I'll tap out of this thread now.
 
cncas2123 said:
As usual you pick and chose what you stand over, anything you can grasp to in the hope the UK will go crawling back cap in hand and beg the EU to take is back.
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I find most remainers to have this very same mindset.

I just can't understand why they are so willing of their country to collapse just so they can say 'told you so'. It's mind boggling. It's like some misplaced allegiance to the EU...almost cult like. I just cannot explain it.
 
It would be interesting to see if the thread would be this long without Covid and the supply chain crisis causing shipping prices from China costing 5X more than normal , taking months longer than normal, and a lack of shipping containers ….

Maybe more people should buy locally if possible in the future.

this would also keep the carbon savers happy too ?
 
No but really, this shit's serious. Can't have Chopley bowing out of this thread!

Countless threads I've seen over the years have had their share of divisions, with smatterings of dog-piling, but it would be flipping boring to have one side of debate in regards to Brexit, certainly as most partaking are of the 'Leave' persuasion :eek:

I find myself agreeing with about 12% of what Chopley says but you'd be hard-pressed to find him getting personal or aggressive, I've always found him civil and respectful. Ok not so much about Boris but we'll let that slide :D

And blow me sideways, does that guy ever make a typo? Form suspect sentences? Make grammatical boo-boos?? It's fucking sickening

So yes, short of simping over the guy I think his all-round commentary on Brexit is pretty vital. Bite me.
 

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ChopleyIOM said:
I don't disagree with anything you've said there goatwack, but none of it can come as a surprise, surely? This is what the Tories do. Always.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Just thought I'd lob a bit of French in there to show some solidarity with the French fishermen who are being dicked around by truculent Brits not upholding their end of a deal they signed less than a year ago :)

Vive la France!

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It seems you and only you Monsieur Chopley are showing solidarity with le Frogs as the EU has thrown them under le autobus 🤪

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