Brexit - whats the difference.....

[mack341]

Not strictly brexit related but with the eu president bringing up the eu army again, and vat changes aimed at encouraging eu members to buy equipment from within the eu, interesting timing,

Australia announced on Wednesday night that it was abandoning a controversial deal to spend AS$90bn (£48bn) on a new fleet of submarines from French shipbuilder Naval Group.
Instead, the country unveiled a new strategic partnership between Australia, the UK and US known as AUKUS.

 

[dunover]

Not strictly brexit related but with the eu president bringing up the eu army again, and vat changes aimed at encouraging eu members to buy equipment from within the eu, interesting timing,

Australia announced on Wednesday night that it was abandoning a controversial deal to spend AS$90bn (£48bn) on a new fleet of submarines from French shipbuilder Naval Group.
Instead, the country unveiled a new strategic partnership between Australia, the UK and US known as AUKUS.

Yes, good news as much of the work will be carried out in the UK, nuke subs are still one thing we can do here, well.

Now my crystal ball is shimmering.......

......hang on a moment......

....M&S shuts 11 stores in France blaming Brexit regulations on supplying fresh foods from the UK to them.....

.....it's coming through, wait......

....ah here it is, incoming from @ChopleyIOM alert! incoming from @ChopleyIOM alert! incoming from @ChopleyIOM alert!....

 

[pinnit2014]

And Superdry, purveyors of 'this medium size feels like a straitjacket' fitting, bounces back

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Now my crystal ball is shimmering.......

......hang on a moment......

....M&S shuts 11 stores in France blaming Brexit regulations on supplying fresh foods from the UK to them.....

.....it's coming through, wait......

....ah here it is, incoming from @ChopleyIOM alert! incoming from @ChopleyIOM alert! incoming from @ChopleyIOM alert!....

I shall desist, finding bad news stories when it comes to trade/business and Brexit is like shooting very large fish in a comically small barrel at point blank range with a Howitzer.

As you said yourself a few posts back dunover, Brexit has left us with a need to 'grind out the issues which have befallen trade' (your words, not mine).

I honestly think we're at the point now where it's simply an objective reality that Brexit has been a fail when it comes to trade and business, maybe it will get better in the future, but in the here and now, nine months down the line, it's a failure, and arguing otherwise is like standing waist deep in a lake and insisting your legs aren't wet.

I note even the MSM loony left BBC were caught editing a story the other day to remove a reference to Brexit that had been part of a live broadcast earlier in the day.

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[Kroffe]

Obviously a far cry from the legendary £1 fish, but £14 is still very good for a container of fish.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

In fact rather than any number of smaller stories, let's just focus on one big story, namely how well the EU is doing out of the Brexit trade deal.

It's a bit like the UK's trade deal with Australia, which was famously described as, 'This is what it would look like if Australia had just written it for themselves'.

Remember folks, there's a way to fix this, Single Market and Customs Union membership, whilst remaining a sovereign nation outside the EU.

If ever there was a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, giving up those two as part of Brexit was surely it - and these awful trade numbers do not lie.

 

[dunover]

In fact rather than any number of smaller stories, let's just focus on one big story, namely how well the EU is doing out of the Brexit trade deal.

It's a bit like the UK's trade deal with Australia, which was famously described as, 'This is what it would look like if Australia had just written it for themselves'.

Remember folks, there's a way to fix this, Single Market and Customs Union membership, whilst remaining a sovereign nation outside the EU.

If ever there was a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, giving up those two as part of Brexit was surely it - and these awful trade numbers do not lie.

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Yes, that's what you would expect when you recall that the UK unilaterally decided NOT to impose the EU pettiness on imports to safeguard vital supplies, until we can source them elsewhere or amend the restrictive rules by negotiation. Had the UK acted in same manner from the outset, similar falls would have occurred the other way. We know all this already, what's the point here?

 

[pinnit2014]

The point is the horse needs more flogging

 

[Kroffe]

The point is the horse needs more flogging

 

[Spikie]

Macron is all over the news in Europe complaining about being frozen out of this deal and having their contract cancelled , but also the UK and US are better at building nuclear submarines …

Soooo , sorry France , just a good purchasing decision from the Aussies

 

[Daavid63]

I shall desist, finding bad news stories when it comes to trade/business and Brexit is like shooting very large fish in a comically small barrel at point blank range with a Howitzer.

As you said yourself a few posts back dunover, Brexit has left us with a need to 'grind out the issues which have befallen trade' (your words, not mine).

I honestly think we're at the point now where it's simply an objective reality that Brexit has been a fail when it comes to trade and business, maybe it will get better in the future, but in the here and now, nine months down the line, it's a failure, and arguing otherwise is like standing waist deep in a lake and insisting your legs aren't wet.

I note even the MSM loony left BBC were caught editing a story the other day to remove a reference to Brexit that had been part of a live broadcast earlier in the day.

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Shipping costs started going through the roof when the pandemic arrived, sweet FA to do with Brexit. I was importing stuff from China, was hard enough even getting a container.
Anyway straight from the EU gob below.

From the EU Central Bank.

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Rising ocean freight shipping costs are another sign of supply bottlenecks (Chart C, upper panel). Since the second half of 2020, global freight shipping costs have been on a steady recovery path from the lows reached in the midst of the pandemic. In recent months, however, they have reached levels not seen since after the Great Financial Crisis, while growth rates have risen above those observed since 2015. At the same time, transport costs on shipping routes from Asia and China to Europe and the Mediterranean, as well as the United States, have experienced a particularly sharp rise since the second half of the year. They appear to have peaked recently (Chart C, lower panel). Two factors are associated with the increase in shipping costs. On the one hand, the strong rise in demand for intermediate inputs on the back of stronger manufacturing activity raised the demand for Chinese exports and the demand for container shipments. At the same time, shortages of containers at Asian ports have exacerbated supply bottlenecks and further increased shipping costs as companies in Asia are reported to be paying premium rates to get containers back.[

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] Reportedly, ports in Europe and the United States are congested amid logistics disruptions related to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic and idle containers remain in several ports on the back of the uneven recovery of trade.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes, that's what you would expect when you recall that the UK unilaterally decided NOT to impose the EU pettiness on imports to safeguard vital supplies, until we can source them elsewhere or amend the restrictive rules by negotiation. Had the UK acted in same manner from the outset, similar falls would have occurred the other way. We know all this already, what's the point here?

The 'EU pettiness' we literally imposed on ourselves you mean, and indeed, the third country rules we are now (by choice!) subjected to that we actually helped to write? It's remarkable really, one of the biggest alleged complaints about the EU when we were a member was that it was an inflexible, rules-based and bureaucratic organisation, and now we've left the complaint is that...... it's an inflexible, rules-based and bureaucratic organisation, except now we don't have any say in what the rules are. What did anyone would think would happen here, that the EU would bend over backwards to change itself to suit the capricious whims of a ex-member that's just flounced out of the door?

I mean, crikey, is that where we are now, waving any old shite across our borders to 'safeguard vital supplies'? Which bit of taking back control is that then?

I think the main problem Britain has with Brexit is that the EU was actually prepared to implement it.

 

[sufferinsilence]

My brother wanted to go a weekend to London for some sightseeing, used to be cheap and easy from Brussels to London in a couple of hours. But nowadays you need an international passport, PCR test even when fully vaccinated, passenger locator form,... holy shit. I'm aware things are being complicated by this whole covid thing but he opted to go to Amsterdam instead, he only needs his ID and the QR code from his vaccination.

I wonder with Christmas coming up and traditionally alot of us on mainland Europe going to London for Christmas shopping and sightseeing will decide to go to the German Christmas markets or Paris instead. I mean, even the international passport alone will keep people from traveling to the UK in the future.

 

[mack341]

Faced with a choice of the german markets or London, I know what i'd choose but age plays a part in that. There was a good article in the mail about the stress, and requirements to travel abroad, you need to be tech-savvy and double jabbed, which rules me out on both counts!

Bruges must be pretty special at Christmas, and the real mccoy Belgian chocolates.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

My brother wanted to go a weekend to London for some sightseeing, used to be cheap and easy from Brussels to London in a couple of hours. But nowadays you need an international passport, PCR test even when fully vaccinated, passenger locator form,... holy shit. I'm aware things are being complicated by this whole covid thing but he opted to go to Amsterdam instead, he only needs his ID and the QR code from his vaccination.

I wonder with Christmas coming up and traditionally alot of us on mainland Europe going to London for Christmas shopping and sightseeing will decide to go to the German Christmas markets or Paris instead. I mean, even the international passport alone will keep people from traveling to the UK in the future.

You should tell your brother to make the extra effort to come to the UK sufferinsilence, there's a 50/50 chance there might even be 'essential supplies' for sale!

And he could stock up on vegetables sold in pounds and ounces, and also buy a pint glass with a crown stamp on it.

I'll say one thing for Brexit, it understands its target demographic.

 

[pinnit2014]

My brother wanted to go a weekend to London for some sightseeing, used to be cheap and easy from Brussels to London in a couple of hours. But nowadays you need an international passport, PCR test even when fully vaccinated, passenger locator form,... holy shit. I'm aware things are being complicated by this whole covid thing but he opted to go to Amsterdam instead, he only needs his ID and the QR code from his vaccination.

I wonder with Christmas coming up and traditionally alot of us on mainland Europe going to London for Christmas shopping and sightseeing will decide to go to the German Christmas markets or Paris instead. I mean, even the international passport alone will keep people from traveling to the UK in the future.

Yeah, never had one before but decided to get an Irish PP and swap my allegiance from 'Oul Lizzy to the Holy Father.

I thought that there's enough to learn in becoming an international assassin, without the added pressure of immigration control.

Also 4 quid cheaper as well. That's 10FS in Bonanza

 

[Spikie]

There is a shortage of building supplies all over Europe, not just the UK ..

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[Spikie]

My brother wanted to go a weekend to London for some sightseeing, used to be cheap and easy from Brussels to London in a couple of hours. But nowadays you need an international passport, PCR test even when fully vaccinated, passenger locator form,... holy shit. I'm aware things are being complicated by this whole covid thing but he opted to go to Amsterdam instead, he only needs his ID and the QR code from his vaccination.

I wonder with Christmas coming up and traditionally alot of us on mainland Europe going to London for Christmas shopping and sightseeing will decide to go to the German Christmas markets or Paris instead. I mean, even the international passport alone will keep people from traveling to the UK in the future.

Being from the UK , I’ve always needed a passport to enter Europe , so is no different from what it used to be from this end.

The covid police are a bit of a pain , but most people at the airports don’t seem to check the documents at all .

 

[bamberfishcake]

Can I be middle-wing? rather than left-wing or right-wing.......I prefer to think for myself and not dedicate my life to a storm of confrontation and pigeonholing.

 

[pinnit2014]

Can I be middle-wing? rather than left-wing or right-wing.......I prefer to think for myself and not dedicate my life to a storm of confrontation and pigeonholing.

Wing-man?

Or wing-he/him

 

[Kroffe]

Wing-man?

Or wing-he/him

Please use gender neutral language, we dont know what gender Bambi prefers to identify as.

Wing-humanoid is better.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Was going to say here is a positive of Brexit. The new Data plans that are getting unveiled that were not possible in EU.

But i am sure Chopley will say that was always possible or find some negative to it. Surprised he never mentioned it in the thread but i guess only negatives he looks for.

Here is the Governments take on it tho all the papers have their say as well.

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I already answered this here - Brexit - whats the difference..... - Page 172 - Casinomeister Forum

However it's turned up in Private Eye too, admittedly I am an issue behind at the moment (there's a lot of words in a single issue) hence the lag in me posting this, as I only read it today!

 

[sufferinsilence]

Being from the UK , I’ve always needed a passport to enter Europe , so is no different from what it used to be from this end.

The covid police are a bit of a pain , but most people at the airports don’t seem to check the documents at all .

The UK is one of those "unique" countries where you don't need an ID. Can't really compare that. Our national ID allows us to travel to over 50 countries without needing an international passport, but not to the UK anymore.
Covid rules the same: can go to the Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy,... without any PITA (or nose) but for the UK they feel the need to poke in your nose.

 

[mack341]

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The European Commission has blocked the recently-created European Public Prosecutor's Office (EPPO) from using their budget to hire the specialised personnel they need.

The EPPO has been created to prosecute financial crimes (bribery, money laundering, tax fraud) committed with European taxpayer money throughout the EU. Crucially, the EPPO is now tasked with safeguarding the €800bn pandemic recovery funds against fraud.

budget chair of the European Parliament, Monika Hohlmeier:

"The commission has refused the EPPO to hire contract agents to allow the EPPO to fulfil its mandate. I do not understand nor try to understand any justification for this behaviour by the Commission." oh dear


Since its creation on 1 June, the EPPO has already opened 300 investigations, representing damages worth up to €4.5bn to the EU budget, the institution reported on Tuesday.

my that is a shock

But much remains to be done - for example, in 2018, the difference between expected VAT revenue and the amount actually collected was €140bn. And that is just one form of fraud the agency is pursuing.

While it is still uncertain how significant the caseload will be, the agency expects to launch at least 2,000 cases a year, which already is more than the current team can handle.

"There is a backlog of 3,000 cases, which must be processed and 1,000 more cases which must be investigated in due time," Hohlmeier told EUobserver.

The commission allocated €37.7m for 2021, while the EPPO requested €56m. The top-up of €7.3m brought the total budget to around €44m. By denying the allocation of €7.3m already approved by the council and parliament, the commission appears to be hampering EPPO's ability to track and prosecute financial crimes and guard the recovery fund that is especially at risk of misuse.

"The request is clear: the EPPO must be able to recruit the experts it needs to fight corruption, fraud, conflict of interest, and other misuses of European taxpayer's money," said Hohlmeier.

Eu: "don't find too much will you, please it could be embarrassing"

 

[mack341]

That GDPR is working smoothly:

Ireland fails to enforce EU law against Big Tech​

Irish regulator has not resolved 98% of 164 significant data protection complaints (FT)

Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft and Twitter all have their European headquarters in Dublin, making Ireland’s Data Protection Commissioner the lead EU regulator responsible for holding them to the law.

But the Irish DPC has been repeatedly criticised, both by privacy campaigners and by other EU regulators, for failing to take action.

In March, long-simmering tensions over Ireland’s treatment of Big Tech burst out into public after German officials attacked the Irish.

Ulrich Kelber, Germany’s chief data protection watchdog, wrote to members of the European Parliament to complain that Germany alone had “sent more than 50 complaints about WhatsApp” to the Irish authorities, “none of which had been closed to date”.


edit: I'm starting to enjoy this thread more, finding any pro or fair trump articles for the NK thread was hard work compared to this quick scan of google news!