Brexit - whats the difference.....

[Kroffe]

I was watching this historical documentary, and i have a really hard time understanding how the british managed to colonize such a big part of the world.

 

[TheAddict]

@datch


I only really commented because I believe, if for example it were Germany who had gone to leave the EU, it should be pretty obvious to anyone that the German newspapers would to still be wriiting about the EU and Germanys exit, because it directly concerns Germany.
I like Germany, I like your people, despite the fact that I despise your Tratiourous Chancellor Merkal with great passion, and not just because she has her tounge firmly wedged up the ass of EU leaders, but In the same way I despise our traitorous, puppet politicians for some of the things they've done to our Country.

The 100 bucks to f**k off was actually said in that clip of the Tralier Park Boys image I posted, by the guy who i use as my profile pic. So please don't take that too personally either.

 

[slotplayer]

ARD

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So it looks like the EU is the first to decide they can break the Northern Ireland protocol, definitely a case of double standards when they fumed about the UK government bringing in a law allowing them to change the protocol if needed.

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There's been a swift U-turn on this from the EU although I'm not convinced it was an 'error'.

It's a serious misstep from the EU and in a situation that was already pretty fractious, has only made things worse.

At a time when we need to start trying to build trust and co-operating, this is the last thing anyone needed.

Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come but I'm not overly optimistic.

 

[dunover]

Even the remainer BBC have had their say, Ms Adler:

"Mistake," "misjudgement," "blunder."
These are just some of words EU insiders have been using privately to describe the European Commission's initial decision on Friday to suspend areas of the Brexit deal dealing with Northern Ireland, a part of its Covid vaccine row.
Although it then U-turned on those plans, critics say the damage was already done.
Brussels previously lectured the UK government about respecting the Irish Protocol - which was painfully and carefully drafted during Brexit negotiations.
Now the EU seemed quick to undermine the agreement.
Member state Ireland felt stung that it hadn't been consulted. This all adds to the impression of chaos surrounding the EU's vaccine rollout.
Brussels was already under fire from a growing number of EU countries for having been slow to sign vaccine contracts with pharmaceutical companies.
This "mishap" over the Irish Protocol, as Spain's Foreign Minister called it, hasn't exactly helped the commission's reputation.

I see the lunatics are still running the asylum, luckily not our bit of it....

 

[dunover]

Even the remainer BBC have had their say, Ms Adler:

"Mistake," "misjudgement," "blunder."
These are just some of words EU insiders have been using privately to describe the European Commission's initial decision on Friday to suspend areas of the Brexit deal dealing with Northern Ireland, a part of its Covid vaccine row.
Although it then U-turned on those plans, critics say the damage was already done.
Brussels previously lectured the UK government about respecting the Irish Protocol - which was painfully and carefully drafted during Brexit negotiations.
Now the EU seemed quick to undermine the agreement.
Member state Ireland felt stung that it hadn't been consulted. This all adds to the impression of chaos surrounding the EU's vaccine rollout.
Brussels was already under fire from a growing number of EU countries for having been slow to sign vaccine contracts with pharmaceutical companies.
This "mishap" over the Irish Protocol, as Spain's Foreign Minister called it, hasn't exactly helped the commission's reputation.

There's been a swift U-turn on this from the EU although I'm not convinced it was an 'error'.

It's a serious misstep from the EU and in a situation that was already pretty fractious, has only made things worse.

At a time when we need to start trying to build trust and co-operating, this is the last thing anyone needed.

Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come but I'm not overly optimistic.

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If the EU were a casino, it'd have a 1668/JAZ 'license'.

 

[dpp00]

Im afraid your goin to see a very different relationship in my own country of ireland and the eu goin forward,

now that were no longer of any use to the eu as leverage against the uk, and our government in there wisdom decided to spend 3 years

trash talking the uk (which in my opinion was disgraceful) they've burned there bridges there as well, Greece 2.0 anyone

 

[sufferinsilence]

This is fitting for the Brexit thread.

 

[mack341]

For some odd reason this thread is invisible to me, just looked for it in the rants section, nowhere to be seen on the first page of threads so had to use the search box - anyway some good brexit related news:

 

[TheAddict]

I'm probably responsible for 25% of the total Whole Nut sales in the UK.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So whilst making a bit more chocolate here is good news, it pales into significance compared to.....

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Burnett told the Observer that in addition to the 68% fall-off in exports, about 65%-75% of vehicles that had come over from the EU were going back empty because there were no goods for them to return with, due to hold-ups on the UK side, and because some UK companies had either temporarily or permanently halted exports to the EU. “I find it deeply frustrating and annoying that ministers have chosen not to listen to the industry and experts,” he said.

 

[mack341]

Sounds like some good news for the city

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ahhh yes, trading in Swiss stocks on the London Stock Exchange to help make already very wealthy people even wealthier, exactly what the people in Mansfield who voted to leave the EU were hoping for.

 

[mack341]

Ahhh yes, trading in Swiss stocks on the London Stock Exchange to help make already very wealthy people even wealthier, exactly what the people in Mansfield who voted to leave the EU were hoping for.

Well as much as I'd like the people of mansfied to get what they hoped for, we do need a successful and prosperous city of london too, I'm sure they pay tax/charges, and help maintain investment in uk plc, so every little helps.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Again, it pales into insignificance when compared to the $1.6 TRILLION of assets that were moved out of London ahead of Brexit.

I recall mentioning this earlier in the thread but was told it was worth taking the economic hit because sovereignty and stuff.

Like with the chocolate thing, it's one step forward and ten steps back when it comes to Brexit.

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[bamberfishcake]

Sounds like some good news for the city

Nice to see some positives starting to come through.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

But the article makes it explicitly clear that the trading in Swiss stocks will only fill fill about 20% of the hole left by Brexit, so it's stretching it a bit to call it 'good news' or a 'positive'.

I mean, technically speaking if your entire house is on fire and the fire brigade come and put the fire out in one of the bedrooms, it's good news because less of your house is on fire than was the case before, but ultimately, your house is still on fire.

The information is right there in the article, we've swopped 6 billion of trading for 1.2 billion of trading.

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The return of Swiss trading will be a small boon for London equity markets. Brexit caused more than 6 billion euros ($ 7.21 billion) of daily trading in EU stocks to leave London for the Amsterdam and Paris platforms on January 4 .

Before the EU ban, London platforms managed around 1.2 billion euros per day in Swiss stocks, or around 27% of the total volume, according to figures from Cboe Europe. The list of shares that can be traded includes names like Nestlé and Novartis.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This is a perfect example of the cognitive dissonance and denial of objective reality, and indeed the rewriting of history, that many prominent Leavers are now engaging in.

2016 - Fears that trade will suffer are alarmist rubbish by Remainers who don't want us to Leave the EU.

2021 - Brexiters always said trade would suffer but it only shows we were right to Leave the EU.

 

[mack341]

Could be more good international trade news for uk plc:

"Both Ministers reiterated their commitment to long term India-UK partnership and agreed to deepen trade cooperation between the two countries through an Enhanced Trade Partnership (ETP). They also reviewed progress in removing market access barriers on both sides

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just so we're clear, these are preliminary talks that are taking place later this year ('likely sometime in 2021' is the best we can get), as a precursor to starting to negotiate an Enhanced Trade Partnership, which from there might lead to a Free Trade Agreement.

I'm sure the UK fishing fleets that are currently going bankrupt will be delighted at the prospect of potentially being able to send their langoustines 5000 miles to India, at some indeterminate point in the future. (Hopefully we'll have invented teleportation by then too, since otherwise they'll all be dead by the time they get there.)

It's not exactly the cornucopia of promised amazing trade deals we'd be signing up within weeks of leaving the EU, is it?

Also, don't forget that 5000 miles thing either. At the risk of stating the obvious, trading with the EU, comprised of some of the richest nations in the world, all a short ferry trip or a Eurotunnel away, is quite a different proposition to trading with a developing nation 5000 miles away.

2016 - THE WORLD WILL BE OUR OYSTER
2021 - LATER THIS YEAR WE'LL START TALKING TO INDIA ABOUT MAYBE DOING SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE

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[ChopleyIOM]

In the meantime, this is what's happening right now.

These people don't care about potential free trade agreements with India in two or three or five years time.

They're going bankrupt now, they'll be finished within a few weeks or months. British businesses, British jobs, lost to Brexit.

Not a UK specific rule. Not a ban on UK imports specifically. Just another of these third country rules that we were hoping we would be able to avoid but didn't manage.

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[mack341]

In the meantime, this is what's happening right now.

These people don't care about potential free trade agreements with India in two or three or five years time.

They're going bankrupt now, they'll be finished within a few weeks or months. British businesses, British jobs, lost to Brexit.

Not a UK specific rule. Not a ban on UK imports specifically. Just another of these third country rules that we were hoping we would be able to avoid but didn't manage.

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"However, last week, the Commission gave us sight of instructions they had sent to all Member States on 3 February stating that any imports into the EU from the UK of Live Bivalve Molluscs for purification from Class B waters, such as the sea around Wales and the South West of England, are not permitted

It is in the EU’s interests to restore this trade; many businesses in the EU have invested in depuration equipment and are configured around managing the export of molluscs from Class B waters."

Sounds more like the EU is shooting it's citizens and businesses in the foot again in order just to be awkward; no brexit deal could ever fully anticipate either the EU's tricks/bad faith or rule changes.

edit: I know it's not the best thread, but wonder why this doesn't show up in the latest posts or even rant thread ??

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Shows up for me in the list as normal.

Have you hit the 'Unwatch' button or something?

 

[mack341]

Shows up for me in the list as normal.

Have you hit the 'Unwatch' button or something?

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Just checked but the unwatch option is still there, must just be a forum quirk that only affects me!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

"However, last week, the Commission gave us sight of instructions they had sent to all Member States on 3 February stating that any imports into the EU from the UK of Live Bivalve Molluscs for purification from Class B waters, such as the sea around Wales and the South West of England, are not permitted

It is in the EU’s interests to restore this trade; many businesses in the EU have invested in depuration equipment and are configured around managing the export of molluscs from Class B waters."

Sounds more like the EU is shooting it's citizens and businesses in the foot again in order just to be awkward; no brexit deal could ever fully anticipate either the EU's tricks/bad faith or rule changes.

I don't deny the EU are being arses about this in some regards mack, the shit they threatened to pull with the vaccines a couple of weeks ago was a proper dick move. (Albeit they withdrew the idea very quickly and apologised.)

And I cannot stress this enough, I am not and never have been a massive and/or uncritical fan of the EU, I've said as much in this very thread on multiple occasions.

However I do think, and have advocated for, it being 'the least worst option' available to us and that we're better off being a member and exerting power and influence and trying to change it from within, rather than than stamping off in a huff and then moaning about things we have no control over as a third country. (Which is what we opted to become.)

And that's what we're finding out the hard way now, that as a third country, who elected to leave the club, however flawed the club may be, we basically have bugger all influence in how the club runs its affairs, and all we can do is write impotent letters moaning about things.

In the act of allegedly taking back control, we are now having to essentially write letters to the EU asking for things over which we have no control.