Brandon Walsh vs Curacao egaming

maxd

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Well, he can't say he wasn't warned: for multiple Rules violations and ignoring the guidance of a moderator the OP has earned a little vacation. Hopefully he'll take the week to read the Forum Rules and reflect on the fact that he is a guest here and needs to behave like one.

Update: turns out the OP has been trying to blackmail Bitstarz, claiming to be a moderator here at CM and that they'd be on the blacklist if they didn't give him ... whatever he was demanding.

Needless to say Brandon "fake name" Walsh won't be returning any time soon.
 
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Delgotti

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Here is my encounter with Bitstarz
After maybe about 1 year of playing there and over $50,000 in bitcoin deposits I was playing on the Friday Loyalty bonus and hit a small jackpot of $25,000 so after completing the required playthrough I was at $15,000 so i decided to cashout. I was told that the bonus had a max cashout but i don't remember that amount, the rep quickly said that he would see what he could do since i was a VIP. He comes back with an offer of $1400 so i figured i had to take it because i did not know that VIP dont have a max cashout. After finding out what they did to me I decided to just let it go until it happened again. By this time i had read all the terms and conditions so i was aware of all their rules. Upon bringing this up to them and also calling them out for the time before the rep became very rude and just closed the live chat everytime i opened a new session. By this time im already mad as hell so i start questioning them on the whole not accepting USA players but they sure love to take our deposits. At that point my account was closed.
 

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Here is my encounter with Bitstarz
After maybe about 1 year of playing there and over $50,000 in bitcoin deposits I was playing on the Friday Loyalty bonus and hit a small jackpot of $25,000 so after completing the required playthrough I was at $15,000 so i decided to cashout. I was told that the bonus had a max cashout but i don't remember that amount, the rep quickly said that he would see what he could do since i was a VIP. He comes back with an offer of $1400 so i figured i had to take it because i did not know that VIP dont have a max cashout. After finding out what they did to me I decided to just let it go until it happened again. By this time i had read all the terms and conditions so i was aware of all their rules. Upon bringing this up to them and also calling them out for the time before the rep became very rude and just closed the live chat everytime i opened a new session. By this time im already mad as hell so i start questioning them on the whole not accepting USA players but they sure love to take our deposits. At that point my account was closed.

Hi there,

If we would come across a player who was from the US whilst having money in their account, we always pay out the funds and close the account down. Now, you didn't mention that you were from the US to us prior to us closing your account down for responsible gambling (as per the screenshot below).


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You also had a German address entered in your profile and later went on a big quest to get these funds back that you lost since that day, with every tool at your disposal. During this time, you also confessed to having multiple accounts:

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Since then, which was about 2 years ago (and multiple threats later), we think we have provided enough evidence to support our actions, which was to close down your account for responsible gambling reasons. Once again, we have never taken or withheld funds from you.

Edit: Furthermore, your canned PAB was the one in which you made this accusation against us, so we'd like to think we've given you a fair chance to dispute this.

Olle
 
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colinsunderland

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Here is my encounter with Bitstarz
After maybe about 1 year of playing there and over $50,000 in bitcoin deposits I was playing on the Friday Loyalty bonus and hit a small jackpot of $25,000 so after completing the required playthrough I was at $15,000 so i decided to cashout. I was told that the bonus had a max cashout but i don't remember that amount, the rep quickly said that he would see what he could do since i was a VIP. He comes back with an offer of $1400 so i figured i had to take it because i did not know that VIP dont have a max cashout. After finding out what they did to me I decided to just let it go until it happened again. By this time i had read all the terms and conditions so i was aware of all their rules. Upon bringing this up to them and also calling them out for the time before the rep became very rude and just closed the live chat everytime i opened a new session. By this time im already mad as hell so i start questioning them on the whole not accepting USA players but they sure love to take our deposits. At that point my account was closed.
seems you missed quite a bit out of your post
 

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aw man, could not the ban hammer have stayed under lock and key for a few more pages, been ages since we've had a thread as "entertaining" and knowledge filled as this one!

That being said, I suppose the user can concentrate now on filming his next few episodes of "The Chase" :oops: :oops:

(I love my weak ass jokes, I really do! :p)
 

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Ya where's nick or is ollie your new name bullshit to your blurry documents you ripped me of end of that when I see now complaints I will think of depositing like balls just joining the thread. Never heard of you till you where asking for accreditation so where nick. Lol you want to talk my private information send me message not in the fourm. Or I will file a pab just for that. Hagd olle or nick or super hero scripted Chris that never sleeps.
Keep it polite - you'll not get any help if you post in this insulting manner. Thank-you.
 

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Ya where's nick or is ollie your new name bullshit to your blurry documents you ripped me of end of that when I see now complaints I will think of depositing like balls just joining the thread. Never heard of you till you where asking for accreditation so where nick. Lol you want to talk my private information send me message not in the fourm. Or I will file a pab just for that. Hagd olle or nick or super hero scripted Chris that never sleeps.

You often seem to start talking in this manner about numerous casinos. Maybe time to find a new hobby . Try and chill out a little.
 

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Omg more bullshit from the gallery give it up this is opinion forum or maybe only for the head bikers. For the 2020 accredited nomination for casino group fourtune lounge group honest pay fast .lol every time I go on here it's the same people waiting to knock someone down for their opinions. To much I think you need a new hobby.
 

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Omg more bullshit from the gallery give it up this is opinion forum or maybe only for the head bikers. For the 2020 accredited nomination for casino group fourtune lounge group honest pay fast .lol every time I go on here it's the same people waiting to knock someone down for their opinions. To much I think you need a new hobby.

Come again? :confused:
 

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Oops, this thread bit escalated :eek2:

For bit too late reply to banned OP, i didn't at any point was meaning that Curacao licenses and casinos operating there are perfect and above a criticism, only thing i was asking was from you when you decided to start new thread was to add some content in that and pointed out that thread as you opened it had informative value of zero when only statement is that Curacao license is fraud and scam.

If you have spent over 10 years at CM, you are well aware that Curacao licenses are widely criticized here for reasons, it's been done by many members and staff members if you would have bothered to read for example some reviewes about their licenses so had no any mean to prevent you to share your story, opinion, findings or what so ever but you decided to warn all CM members with post without any content, i assume that you could have done much better and longer post if you have add bit more effort on that and then probably some good debate, you , already go casino rep joining etc...

So late apologies if i made you feel bad, that wasn't my mean at all, just got bit frustrated to open this thread two or three times and thought to find something worth of reading from Curacao but ended up to started thread which only included rant of teenager.
 

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This is getting out hand. I play at Direx and N1 casinos all of the time - if you read the T&C and DON’T violate them, then you will have no problems.

I keep seeing “complaints”, but it seems all of them could be avoided if they just read the rules.
My suggestion is to pre-verify with them as well, makes the withdrawal process super fast, I’ve had withdrawals from both Direx and N1 In under 15 minutes.
 

mack341

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Curacao is a very interesting thing in the gambling world.

yes it is, I can't believe murky things don't go on there...I read the italian mafia had infiltrated the malta gambling industry, so given where curacao is located near south america with all the drug crime etc...you'd have to expect underhand stuff to go on, laundering etc...

It's a bit like the offshore finance and tax havens...all that money from crime at the top end [not street dealers] has got to go somewhere, into some account for safe keeping.

If the dutch monarchy allow such a lax system to exist on their island it must be for a reason...
 

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I did some research into the article posted here from Curacao Chronicle *snip* ...

[max says: multi-account garbage]
 
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mack341

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yes I've been inspired to delve deeper :p

the bbc did a radio programme on it

"the gamble network"
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the text underneath states:

How gambling interests bought a country

The trail leads us to Curacao, a small island off the coast of Venezuela. This is where many of the offshore gambling sites that at least turn a blind eye to under-age gambling are licensed.

These Curacao licences have no validity in the UK, but they do allow operators to open bank accounts. According to the US State Department, Curacao is a major route for money laundering of drugs money from Latin America, with online gambling being one of the methods used. But who issues the licences? The plot thickens as it turns out that the licensing system is of doubtful legality, and could have been designed to encourage political corruption. In fact, we discover, one of Curacao’s top politicians was assassinated a few days after threatening to blow the gaff on gambling practices. The first prime minister of the newly autonomous island was jailed for political corruption, after it was shown that he had laundered money received by a major gambling operator alleged by the Italian police to have mafia connections.

So it appears that from the outset, organised crime set out to buy an island to facilitate gambling and drug money laundering. Could it be that the gambling your child is doing with video games is ultimately connected to organised crime and murder on the other side of the world?

presenter/producer Jolyon Jenkins
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Don't know how that last bit about video gaming ties in :confused: ...I'm getting a bit twitchy myself now, unlifting the lid on these things is clearly dangerous stuff akin to having a death wish :eek:
 

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I did some research into the article posted here from Curacao Chronicle and its safe to say the information is legit. Regardless of users bad attitude and account being banned he was right about their gaming license. The question now is whether or not CM believes the casinos or the Curacao Government.

But it would be down to the curacao govenrment to do something about it, only they can, it's a bit silly for them to say the licences aren't legal and then leave it there?

It's like they want it both ways, money from the master licensees but no responsibility for the sub licences...that's my reading of it.

I think CM understand it's an unregulated market, the only regulation comes here in the form of a PAB, and they believe some of the curacao casinos who respond fairly with that process are viable places to play. That's my reading of the situation, if CM were saying all the casinos from there are legit that would be a different story.

Edit: I'm trying to be balanced here, I personally wouldn't play at a curacao casino even if it were possible, playing the slots themselves is all the risk I need, I don't want to add on top hassle getting paid out, which I still feel is a higher risk with those casinos, but I guess some parts of the world don't have a choice to play at a ukgc casino.
 
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mack341

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I agree with you on almost everything you said except one thing. You say the government takes tax money for a master license but the government clearly stated that the any and all licenses including the master does not exist and is made up.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but presumed that the master licencees are paying the government something, even if it's just tax on their profits/business rates; it's up to the curacao govt to regulate what goes on in the island's name, it's not difficult but obviously most of the casinos would probably up and leave.

However maybe it's too dangerous for any politician to seriously want to change the system, their life would be at risk?

I think the dutch could easily sort it out if they wanted to I'm sure, just in the name of fighting corruption, make the system the same as a low cost version of the MGA...
 
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