Bonus takers, Is this worth me trying?

Casino2014man

Non-Gambler
After you have made your first deposit, and provided that your deposit is equal to or greater than €/£/$/AUD/CAD 20, you will receive a 200% Match Bonus of this deposit (the "Match Bonus") up to €/£/$/AUD/CAD 60.

This bonus need to be wagered 35 (Thirty five) times the Bonus plus deposit amount before the Bonus Balance can be converted to your real money balance.

What are my chances of succeeding? I feel like taking a bonus soon... Feeling adventurous!
 

barbara12

Senior Member
Well the one lesson I have learned is not to take a bonus if it ties in your real money. You might have a nice hit only to find out you cannot withdraw. I love bonuses too but will not take them anymore if there is no chance of withdrawing should you have an early win (happened to me too many times to count).
 

goatwack

Swingin' like Darryl Strawberry
CAG
Wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, perhaps if it were a 100% match but at 200% and the unenviable task of clearing the bonus + deposit I would steer well clear. Barring an early miracle you would never clear that wagering :(
 

brianmon

Meister Member
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mm4
It' not unreasonable £3150 WR, for a starting balance of £90 (assuming you deposit £30, to get the full £60 bonus). I've managed to clear lager WR.
But it also depends on the games. If it's NetEnt, MGS, etc. I'd say you've a good chance.
 

goatwack

Swingin' like Darryl Strawberry
CAG
Mixed opinions so far then.. :oops:

If I did go for it, any slot recommendations ;)
You're not going to clear £3k doing low variance games so unfortunately it might have to be..........DOA. At least if you hit a biggie you can up bets or move onto something else.

Georgie Porgie

Any of the older 9- liners

Anything high variance to boost your balance. Playing Bloodsuckers ain't gonna do it! But do as you see fit, I am sure there are other suitable games :thumbsup:
 

spoton

Senior Member
webmeister
Personally I'd go for it. It might give you the opportunity to bet a bit higher than you normally do, and if you are lucky maybey you can hit a nice win.

Give the MG 243 liners a try?
 

dunover

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It's an EV- proposition. At 96% you would lose 126 wagering 3150 of spins assuming the 30+60 scenario. So on average the player will be -£36 therefore bust at about 2250 of 3150 WR completed. So you would get to around 71% of WR.:cool:
 

Wild Reels

Meister Member
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if i was going to take a 200% bonus i'd do it on dead or alive at 0.45 spins, if you get a major hit the wagering becomes a non issue. if you bust out at least 2/3's of it wasnt your money :d
 

Harry_BKK

Meister Member
CAG
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After you have made your first deposit, and provided that your deposit is equal to or greater than €/£/$/AUD/CAD 20, you will receive a 200% Match Bonus of this deposit (the "Match Bonus") up to €/£/$/AUD/CAD 60.

This bonus need to be wagered 35 (Thirty five) times the Bonus plus deposit amount before the Bonus Balance can be converted to your real money balance.

What are my chances of succeeding? I feel like taking a bonus soon... Feeling adventurous!
To be honest i can't be bothered anymore with bonuses that tie down your cash balance.

- If i take bonuses i do it at Bet-AT, Slotty or Mr. Green, where i can always withdraw if i have not touched my bonus balance. :thumbsup:

- If i want to make straight deposits it is Bet-AT and Videoslots. I won't even register at new casinos anymore, very happy with those, especially Bet-AT :thumbsup: :D

On top at Bet-AT you don't get penalized if you bet higher than the 6.50 EUR when wagering. In thise cases only 6.50 counts towards the wagering, hence you can go big whenever you feel like. :thumbsup:

And then WR of 50 x B or 35 x D+B is just too much to sit there and hope it will all go well. :rolleyes: :eek:

If my gaming kitty is low on funds i do take very rarely a 50% or 100% at Next, Energy, 32RED or RV. The WR there are at least still in the normal range and also extend my gameplay.

To manage such high WR you can only hope a high variance slot is giving you a 1000+ win or you hit constantly 50-100+ wins. Other than that it is a sure bust.

Good luck :lolup:
 

MightyDuck

Registered
The EV will never be below zero because the bust will save you from that. Generally speaking bonuses with d+b are bad for the player (depending on the bonussystem) while it can be good if you are able to withdraw the cash-part of your balance. The WR are not insurmountable it might be worth the try. Use high variance games to build up a healthy balance is crucial. If you don't like to bust you shouldn't try.
 

Casino2014man

Non-Gambler
Also, just seen..

The following Video slots will be excluded from playing with Bonus balance: Blood Suckers, Dead or Alive, Kings of Chicago, Devil's Delight™, Mega Joker, The wish Master, Champion of the Track, Robin Hood, pearls of India, Tower Quest, Scrooge and Jackpot 6000.*
 

KasinoKing

WebMeister & Slotaholic..
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PABnonaccred
CAG
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This bonus need to be wagered 35 (Thirty five) times the Bonus plus deposit amount before the Bonus Balance can be converted to your real money balance.

What are my chances of succeeding? I feel like taking a bonus soon... Feeling adventurous!
If you really want a bonus - why don't you look for some with much more reasonable WR?
I don't think I've ever taken one that high!

Unless you've already played at just about all the decent casinos - I'm sure you can find some with much more reasonable terms: as low as Bonus (ONLY) x30 to x40.

KK
 

Harry_BKK

Meister Member
CAG
mm1
Also, just seen..

The following Video slots will be excluded from playing with Bonus balance: Blood Suckers, Dead or Alive, Kings of Chicago, Devil's Delight™, Mega Joker, The wish Master, Champion of the Track, Robin Hood, pearls of India, Tower Quest, Scrooge and Jackpot 6000.*

So super high wagering and excluding slots......i wouldn't touch it. No thanks
 

Casino2014man

Non-Gambler
Yeah

After going through this thread I will give it a miss, I will take KKs advice and see if I can find somewhere with a better one :eek2:

Had DOA been allowed, I may have considered.

It was casinocruise ;)
 

Harry_BKK

Meister Member
CAG
mm1
Yeah

After going through this thread I will give it a miss, I will take KKs advice and see if I can find somewhere with a better one :eek2:

Had DOA been allowed, I may have considered.

It was casinocruise ;)
Good decision. I registered at CC and made my 1st deposit before reading the small print. Never deposited again.

Try one of these :
CasinoLuck, Next - monthly 50% up to 200/300 - WR 13 x D&B
Energy - weekly 50% match up to 100 - WR 30 x B
Betat - deposit 100 get 50 Superspins on Magic Portals
 

dunover

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The EV will never be below zero because the bust will save you from that. Generally speaking bonuses with d+b are bad for the player (depending on the bonussystem) while it can be good if you are able to withdraw the cash-part of your balance. The WR are not insurmountable it might be worth the try. Use high variance games to build up a healthy balance is crucial. If you don't like to bust you shouldn't try.
EV- simply means in our terms that a bonus on average will take more credits to convert than the total credits of the bonus or bonus+deposit. In other words in theory your bonus will be on average negative after playing enough spins to completer WR.
 

MightyDuck

Registered
EV- simply means in our terms that a bonus on average will take more credits to convert than the total credits of the bonus or bonus+deposit. In other words in theory your bonus will be on average negative after playing enough spins to completer WR.
What do you mean "in our terms"? In mathematical terms the expected value of your play will be between 0 and quasi infinite depending on TRTP and variance of the underlying slots. You can not just deduct WR multiplied with TRTP from the starting balance.

If you are interested in it you can run a simulation in your excel programming a simplistic slot with 3 possible outcomes. For instance bet (B) B=1; possible outcome (X); X=0 {p=0,9}, X=5 {p=0,09}, X=50 {0,01}. Slot RTP would be 95% in this case. You will see the result will not be -36£.
 

dunover

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What do you mean "in our terms"? In mathematical terms the expected value of your play will be between 0 and quasi infinite depending on TRTP and variance of the underlying slots. You can not just deduct WR multiplied with TRTP from the starting balance.

If you are interested in it you can run a simulation in your excel programming a simplistic slot with 3 possible outcomes. For instance bet (B) B=1; possible outcome (X); X=0 {p=0,9}, X=5 {p=0,09}, X=50 {0,01}. Slot RTP would be 95% in this case. You will see the result will not be -36£.
So you run a simulation where the probabilities are no win 90% of the time. It has a 95% TRTP. I was working on 96% and secondly assuming a long-term average. Of course it won't be exactly -£36 after the required spins but the long-term average would be near exactly that at 96% whatever the variance of the game.

I was attempting to explain the average outcome in basic terms, rather than baffling the OP with BS and starting a mathematical pissing contest.:)

I could simply reverse your example and make a slot with zero variance: B=1; X=0,96 {P=1,0} :rolleyes:

I used the negative figure -£36 to demonstrate how poor a proposition the bonus is, to put it in perspective. I agree with those above that the best way to tackle this is by trying for a big win on a high-variance game which if enough would make WR moot.
 
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