Bonus play vs Non Bonus Play

Maybe I am not asking it right....What I see here is the chance at a free $50 and it costs $1500 to get the said $50. Ok, where is the logic here?? Not many casinos give no max cashouts anymore, it seems, so what is the point of this?

If I took my initial $100 (like Seventh777) and caught a few hundred....that would satisfy me a lot. But to take the additional $50 for ????? A $1500 dollar playthrough???....um..hello....if I was anywhere close to $1500 I sure wouldn't want it attached to a bonus...it makes no sense at all...because to me it seems the casinos object is for you to play BACK thousands for a mere pittance that was offered (your small bonus) when you could have had those THOUSANDS in your pocket if you chose not to be locked into a useless pittance of a bonus...JMO...

What am I missing here??? Those thousand that you are required to play back could be in your pocket.....but yet, you have to spend it for taking $50 ??? I really am missing something for this seems truly very unbalanced to me....almost like a suckers game....JMO...


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Well, do the maths, I had a wagering of around £3600 and a balance of just under 1100 that`s £4700, the bonus WR was 1500, I would not have started at £3 a spin without that bonus, plus TSII gets considerably better the more achievements you acquire, so any extra cash to chop away at those achievements is beyond helpful.

As seen by my screenshots the largest hit I had was over £500, so are you saying that without a deposit bonus I could have collected that?, instead of carrying on and bypassing the WR with a healthy profit of just under £1000, like I have stated many times - In the past WR were never ever an issue with MG bonuses, so why not take them?.

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It`s a nigh on guaranteed WR if you do the maths and work out the RTP of around 98%.
 
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That would work great if there is a no max cashout rule on the bonus. But, if you have $1000 after playthrough and you can only withdraw $500, what's the sense of using a bonus?
This is what I am asking. You take a bonus, you MUST play out $1500 of your winnings, then you are limited to a withdrwal of $500 when your balance is in the thousands...um...someone do this math for me and tell me this makes sense...

Most bonuses now have 5x-10x max cashouts. You cannot get away from it. Most bonuses also have a 50%-75% match bonus, plus the bonus is NOT cashable.. With this said..I know many still take them. This is what I am trying to figure out why. I guess because many of the complaints have come up because of lack of reading the T&C's and also why would anyone chance a wonderful balance of a few thousand only to withdraw a few hundred? That is what I am not getting.

Not that I need to but I guess it seems like folly to me taking these bonuses in the gambling world and since we all are gamblers, some would rather take a small piece of the pot then go for the gold...Just my thoughts...


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My reasons are pretty much the same as Funeral & De Beuker;

Mathematically swings the odds of winning in your favour (if the WR isn't too high, and it's cashable)
Adds the excitement of trying to beat the casino's bonus terms.
Gives more controlled and therefore longer play time.
The extra bonus cash also increases your play time and therefore your chances of a big win.
Gives you a definite point to stop & cash out (finishing the WR).

What I really hate is high WRs, which are just silly (anything over (D+B)x20 is crap IMHO)

I agree 100% with your statement.
 
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My reasons are pretty much the same as Funeral & De Beuker;

Mathematically swings the odds of winning in your favour (if the WR isn't too high, and it's cashable)
Adds the excitement of trying to beat the casino's bonus terms.
Gives more controlled and therefore longer play time.
The extra bonus cash also increases your play time and therefore your chances of a big win.
Gives you a definite point to stop & cash out (finishing the WR).

What I really hate is high WRs, which are just silly (anything over (D+B)x20 is crap IMHO)
So let's put it in real terms(My version of understandin)
Jack has $25 and asks John if he would like to match this 100%.

John says sure on the condition that Jack does not take any monies for himself until Jack has paid John $1500 in any winnings.

Then anything above and beyond that Jack must also give back John his initial $25.

Jack also cannot go above the 10x win in his match bonus in withdrawing (John is securing his monies to keep Jack from playing back any winnings earned that belonged to John above and beyond his initial $1500 paid to John)
So now Jack, earned $1500 but had to give it up to John for the $25 investment John gave....but not only that, Jack now must now try and reach a sum large enough to feel like he has won something.....only to give John back another $25 out of any other winnings...So jack is left with a few hundred bucks never meeting his 10x cashout, Jack happily goes his way with $136 after all is said and done...and John goes his merry way with Jacks $1525......

And this makes sense???? Why would anyone use their own money to PAY John? If this was a free chip given by a casino, then this scenerio is a moot point...and I am all for free chips because you have invested anything...

But taking a bonus..once again seems like folly to me...but then , that is why we are made all differently!

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I totally get what you are saying Silc, but also have to view it from a different perspective.

On the basis of not taking a bonus, how likely is it that a player depositing $25 or $35 will ever hit anything? As we all know, but cannot prove, the system will most likely suck you dry until you have made x amount of deposits into this system, before giving up the win that may equal what you have already spent.

Now we have also seen, players that take bonuses, for some uncanny reason may hit a random or a win equal to a random, usually early on, this is my suspicious mind speaking here, but therefore the player now has a huge bankroll to work through the wr.

The money won is not the players money until the wr is met. It's also not extra money the casino wins either as it is virtual money that doesn't exist, kind of like the US dollar.

9 times out of 10, I think from what I have read and followed on this forum, this is how the system works. Make your deposit without the legal attachment of a bonus and you will be "virtually" screwed most of the time.

Take a bonus that is reasonable, have a good win and manage it in your favor and you have a good chance of coming out with some real money after dealing with the virtual money.

Or you have the chance of being tagged a syndicate for having the brains to play the bonus in your favor instead of getting reckless, making high plays on tight games, hoping for that mega thousand dollar win.

Unlike B&M's, online virtual casinos, I believe have the ability to micro manage every player out there and does adjust automatically according to how one plays and wagers.

So to keep the myth of random behavior alive and well, some will win a random or a regular nice win on a deposit alone, most will not, same with taking a bonus, some will, some won't. But either way a player has to manage his budget when playing that gives him/her the best advantage.

But this is just my distrust speaking for a system that is computer generated in a virtual world that has no building I can walk into, a machine to sit in front of and actually touch, people milling about, noises all around, bells and whistles going off as some players scream for having won a jackpot and we can turn and look at that person jumping up and down in excitement. You see it in a B&M, hear it and feel it. In the virtual world where it is an illusion on my computer monitor, I don't know if it's real or not, except for that very rare withdrawal that mysteriously arrives in my account to perpetuate the illusion that maybe it's real, so keep feeding it, but how can I be sure of anything so untangible.

JMO :oops:
 
Silc, I can understand your points too....if we were talking about max cashout bonuses.

But I never use max cashout bonuses, and I almost never take bonuses under 100%. And believe me there are tons of good bonuses out there that are no max cashout and 100%-200%.

Actually, the only max cashout bonuses I can think of (excluding free chips of course) are Rival (shit software that I don't see why people play in the first place anymore), and Bet Phoenix, and rogue RTG's. So I don't understand why you keep saying you have to be limited to winning 10x your deposit?
 
funeral979:So I don't understand why you keep saying you have to be limited to winning 10x your deposit?
Because that is the terms on all I see offered when the bonus is 100% or better.

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Sometimes a casino really gets it...

Most of the time i play at Partycasino, if possible with bonus.

You can cashout without any restrictions everything above the D+B without achieving any WR. This way it's no problem if you get a big win, because you can just cashout and continue playing the WR for the initial D+B.

I once had a deposit of $100 + 100% match, had a big win in 4 spins ($1250 @ $2.25 a spin), cashed out $1000 and kept playing with the remaining money, which i - obviously - lost :rolleyes:

In less than 2 hours the money was on my NETELLER. Gotta love those guys !

Cashable Bonus WR 20x no max cashout

Cheers !



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I rarely take an RTG bonus. IMO, it's just to hard to beat.

Sometimes, I might accept a 3Dice bonus.

I'll always take a Rich Reels or Villento bonus, based on the fact
that they offer 15WR (D+B) NO MAX Cash-out, which is reasonable on a small deposit.

But like the typo below states...

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In the end, you simply just cannot win.
 
Okay, so what does anyone think of the challenge that Davincis Gold is runnin? Simply deposit 50, and play with 500, no WR, just make it to 25,000 or over to be able to cash out. Would this be worth playin? This is a very different type of bonus. What like to hear somebodies input on this:oops:
 
Okay, so what does anyone think of the challenge that Davincis Gold is runnin? Simply deposit 50, and play with 500, no WR, just make it to 25,000 or over to be able to cash out. Would this be worth playin? This is a very different type of bonus. What like to hear somebodies input on this:oops:
To be honest, your chances of making it to $25,000 are extremely slim.
It's a bit like buying 50 lottery tickets really; if $50 doesn't mean that much to you then it might be worth a shot.

Just for other's info, with this one you can play ANY game, except progressive slots.
They are also doing a similar one which is just for table games, but you "only" need to get up to $10,000.
Both these bonuses are for new players only.

Note: DaVinci's Gold is on the CasinoMeister's "not recommended" list right now.

KK
 
i take a bonus on almost all deposits...i love the buy $150 get $500 at club world casinos.....insane playthroughprobably the bigest one.


i bet big win big.......as long as you have a few above average hits, the playthroughis never hard. bet $10-$12 a spin it doesn't take long to playthrough whatever it is..

i had a day on a fortune lounge casino where i was never over $3500, but my playthough fir the day was around $90 000.

yes it sucks when your biggest hit is right at the beginning, however for me, my wins don't usually come in the first $100. it's later on most of the time.

so it's a preference really, if you bet small and you cash out between $100 and $400. maybe a bonus id a bad thing.

i never cashout unless it's over $2000, if i'm lucky enough to win that day, i hope to win life changing money, otherwise it's just a fun day playing casinos.
 
Sorry guys, I have to side with silc on this one. Although I seldom used a bonus (and maybe this is the reason why I did receive crapola offers), when an almost okay bonus came along, it always had a max cashout tied to it. So, I would pass on it. The very few times I ever took a bonus, playing my usual way, .60/spin, it was still eaten up in a matter of minutes. Perhaps I wasn't playing the right slots, or at the right time of day, or on the right day....who knows, the bonus maybe extended my play a few more minutes.
 
Sorry guys, I have to side with silc on this one. Although I seldom used a bonus (and maybe this is the reason why I did receive crapola offers), when an almost okay bonus came along, it always had a max cashout tied to it. So, I would pass on it. The very few times I ever took a bonus, playing my usual way, .60/spin, it was still eaten up in a matter of minutes. Perhaps I wasn't playing the right slots, or at the right time of day, or on the right day....who knows, the bonus maybe extended my play a few more minutes.

Erm Casinos that have max cashout are FAR far fewer than the casinos that dont. Bet phoenix and a few others that im aware of and even betphoenix has a nice 110 % deposit bonus with NO max cashout claimable as many times as you want. For the people wanting to extend their playtime and ENJOY playing the games AS WELL as hoping for a cashout, bonuses are no brainers for extending the longevity of their deposits. Its not rocket science :p
 
IMPO (Note the emphasis on the aforementioned word) I have come to believe that Bonuses reduce your chances of a cashout. Besides the -EV and all that Jazz something ain't right :) ... Take the comment as you feel, Ignore it or use it... up to you. No conspiracy here, so don't bother lambasting me for evidence...

Nate:thumbsup:
 
KK: Glad I ate her...

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Just in the nick of time!

Rapidly approaching WR on a £150 deposit, my bank was below £50 when I was saved by this 5-scatter hit & a bet x 309 win on Gladiator!
(The final result of the free-spins was £154.64 from a 50p spin)
KK
Taken from winner screenshots...(KK, this is exactly what I was refering to, please do not take this wrong, it was perfect timing you posting this) Here he got a nice hit but has to continue giving back to John his winnings because he has not met his WR just yet..(referring to my earlier little scenerio)

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This is what really gets my goat !!

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Received this snail mail from Jackpot Capitol today.

Even though the $25 free bonus is appreciated, I find the wording very deceptive.

I'll attach the terms also - which of course you can't see until after taking up the offer
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And then you have this on a free chip. And you wonder why I cannot understand anyone taking a bonus? KK had $150 with a bonus and WR...he finally hit something and his balance is barely at $200...now....he must finish meeting his WR...and he is back to where he started...

This is the NORM for many...I do understand the extended play thoughts and the "feels like a challenge" thoughts, but to me, I see it as wasted time and money because of not being able to withdraw when you choose to... KK gave a perfect example here..and it read just like my devised script from earlier! :D


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Taken from winner screenshots...(KK, this is exactly what I was refering to, please do not take this wrong, it was perfect timing you posting this) Here he got a nice hit but has to continue giving back to John his winnings because he has not met his WR just yet..(referring to my earlier little scenerio)

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And then you have this on a free chip. And you wonder why I cannot understand anyone taking a bonus? KK had $150 with a bonus and WR...he finally hit something and his balance is barely at $200...now....he must finish meeting his WR...and he is back to where he started...

This is the NORM for many...I do understand the extended play thoughts and the "feels like a challenge" thoughts, but to me, I see it as wasted time and money because of not being able to withdraw when you choose to... KK gave a perfect example here..and it read just like my devised script from earlier! :D


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Ii KK didn't take the bonus he would have been out of the game before getting to that hit.That Jackpot Capital one is a bit disturbing and misleading.

Personally I don't/didn't like taking bonuses because of all the terms and conditions and if I did hit I would like to cash-out asap, But after taking a few at 32Red and meeting the wagering requirements quite easily I don't mind taking them every now & again.

Most of the bonuses I take are at 32Red so I cannot comment for anywhere else but they have no max cash-out you can play progressives and there is no stupid hidden terms.

If all casinos could follow that example I would definitely think twice about a bonus if I was offered one.

Cheers
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I take up bonuses all the time even if the playthrough is 3k. It also depends on which site. If I am playing RTG I can easily hit spin and stop very quickly and get the high playthrough very fast. The main reason i take the bonus's is because I get more money to play with which means more fun. I can also risk higher amounts of money and possibly hit bigger payouts. I do not always take up bonus's however, and it just depends if I am in the mood to put quite a few hours into play. I actually like taking up 50-75% bonus's more than 100% because they are easier to clear. But like I stated, if it is RTG it is pretty easy to clear 3k, even betting 50 cents a spin. I have had a lot of wins on RTG by clearing humongous playthroughs. But, if I just want to play and not worry about when I can cash out than I just deposit and play. I generally try my best to use the bonus's to increase my play time if I have a lot of free time. Obviously on sites like 3dice the bonus' are not there, and that is fine with me. However it all depends on where i want to play.

For example Platinum play gives me 25% deposit bonus' and river belle gives me 50% bonus'. I generally mainly play at river belle because the extra 25% goes a long way and is not that much harder to clear. Oh course when it comes to 100% deposit bonus' I do not deposit more than 50.00. I got a deal to get 100% up to 400.00 today, but I would never deposit 400.00 and play with 800.00, because that would be ridiculous to clear. I think it just depends on what your reason for playing is! If your a high roller the deposit bonus' might be pointless because you are just mainly betting big and cashing out if you hit. If you want to play a lot longer and get more entertainment the bonus' are a very good option. I also like the fact the deposit bonus' have no max cashout. If they did have max cashout restrictions I would never take them!

I took a 75& bonus on grand eagle tonight on a 30.00 buy in and cleared the playthrough in a few hours and cashed out around 200.00. If I bought in for 30.00 and never took the bonus I would not have bet as much per spin as I did and never got up to 200.00 as my cashout. I would have prob had around 100.00 instead.
 
Taken from winner screenshots...(KK, this is exactly what I was refering to, please do not take this wrong, it was perfect timing you posting this) Here he got a nice hit but has to continue giving back to John his winnings because he has not met his WR just yet..(referring to my earlier little scenerio)
KK had $150 with a bonus and WR...he finally hit something and his balance is barely at $200...now....he must finish meeting his WR...and he is back to where he started...

This is the NORM for many...I do understand the extended play thoughts and the "feels like a challenge" thoughts, but to me, I see it as wasted time and money because of not being able to withdraw when you choose to... KK gave a perfect example here..and it read just like my devised script from earlier! :D
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As Mattsgame has pointed out, without the bonus I wouldn't have even been playing that slot in the first place because I would have already lost all of my £150. I was playing with the £75 bonus chips when I had that big hit.

That took my balance up to £208 with only £215 more WR to do from the original £4,500.
As it happens I stayed on that slot and after 100 more spins I doubled my bets to £1/spin... and it died! I lost £108 in just £283 of wagering, and having met the WR I cashed-out £100 = a £50 loss overall.
But I could (and probably should) have low-rolled the rest of the WR to virtually guarantee a small profit, or I could have luckily hit another big win and made a big profit!

Each to their own; some of us love playing with bonuses, and some of us hate it. No problem! :thumbsup:

KK
 
As Mattsgame has pointed out, without the bonus I wouldn't have even been playing that slot in the first place because I would have already lost all of my £150. I was playing with the £75 bonus chips when I had that big hit.

That took my balance up to £208 with only £215 more WR to do from the original £4,500.
As it happens I stayed on that slot and after 100 more spins I doubled my bets to £1/spin... and it died! I lost £108 in just £283 of wagering, and having met the WR I cashed-out £100 = a £50 loss overall.
But I could (and probably should) have low-rolled the rest of the WR to virtually guarantee a small profit, or I could have luckily hit another big win and made a big profit!

Each to their own; some of us love playing with bonuses, and some of us hate it. No problem!

KK
Thank you for reading it the way it was meant (as my take on bonuses without meaning any offense)....I agree totally, to each their own...even if I will never understand it... :lolup:

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