New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[pinnit2014]

Well, i don't know why they would change the variance/spread of wins though, as a smart casino/provider I'm sure there's a reason

Maybe psychology? Thinking, hey this game pays more 1000x's than before i'll play it more, more players spending longer i don't know. Does that affect their bottom line? Again, defer to others.

Don't have the numbers but a cursory look at my screen shots over the years shows about, for the same play, probably (at a guess) about 5 times more 1000x's in the last 3 years compared to the first 4 playing it - it's one thing i would swear by.

But doesn't mean i think Bonanza is rigged, i think they're all rigged

 

[Jono777]

Nothings changed, ok maybe the variance but I'm done trying to convince anyone and there is a message here for others too, stop banging your heads up the wall, its pointless and 'they' won't listen nor change their minds.

Slots in general answer me this though, also see if you can do it without mentioning RTP, there is an added challenge.

2018, maybe 2019 and prior to, 7/10 my £10/£15/£20 deposits would last 2-3 hours, sometimes longer and I'd play 4,5,6 different games, balance shifting up down, up down but never busting fast and also at the same time not really getting to cash out territory.

Bringing Bonanza into the mix, maybe same 7/10, a tenner would give me an hour, maybe a couple of GOLD, maybe the base game holding up but either way not munching my dosh as if it is the last day on Earth.

Talking 2020 onwards, the 7/10 scenario has now become 1/10, 2/10 if I am being generous.

Last few visits to 'B' £20 goes in 30 mins if that (all minimum bets here of course)

My pathetic pot/budget sees me most sessions head for DoA (which is one of very few games I still find fair-ish but also still "changed") in an attempt to get ahead so I can play other games with the profit.

If and when this does happen, I lose every time (well 99/100) yet nothings changed, a "tactic" which worked pretty bloody well in the aforementioned glory years of slotting.

Yet nothings changed???

I am not stupid, I am not a sore loser, I am not an idiot, I am not insane, I am not "tripping", ......etc.....etc....

Yet nothings changed??

I know my experience is not great spanning back only 20 years so maybe I don't know what I am on about, maybe I am seeing things.....

Just for once those who defend the slots, the changes, belittle those who call foul, have a little lie in your beds tonight, close your eyes, take a deep breath and decided "Am I fooling myself, could something be at play here after all" or "I am going to stop posting in the Bonanza thread"

Up to you!

 

[pinnit2014]

Half expecting Chopley to appear in front on a Bonanza poster going:

This man approves of this rigged-ness

Which will certainly garner him more votes than Labours faux pax in the last week

(sorry, couldn't resist )

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Nothings changed, ok maybe the variance but I'm done trying to convince anyone and there is a message here for others too, stop banging your heads up the wall, its pointless and 'they' won't listen nor change their minds.

Slots in general answer me this though, also see if you can do it without mentioning RTP, there is an added challenge.

2018, maybe 2019 and prior to, 7/10 my £10/£15/£20 deposits would last 2-3 hours, sometimes longer and I'd play 4,5,6 different games, balance shifting up down, up down but never busting fast and also at the same time not really getting to cash out territory.

Bringing Bonanza into the mix, maybe same 7/10, a tenner would give me an hour, maybe a couple of GOLD, maybe the base game holding up but either way not munching my dosh as if it is the last day on Earth.

Talking 2020 onwards, the 7/10 scenario has now become 1/10, 2/10 if I am being generous.

Last few visits to 'B' £20 goes in 30 mins if that (all minimum bets here of course)

My pathetic pot/budget sees me most sessions head for DoA (which is one of very few games I still find fair-ish but also still "changed") in an attempt to get ahead so I can play other games with the profit.

If and when this does happen, I lose every time (well 99/100) yet nothings changed, a "tactic" which worked pretty bloody well in the aforementioned glory years of slotting.

Yet nothings changed???

I am not stupid, I am not a sore loser, I am not an idiot, I am not insane, I am not "tripping", ......etc.....etc....

Yet nothings changed??

I know my experience is not great spanning back only 20 years so maybe I don't know what I am on about, maybe I am seeing things.....

Just for once those who defend the slots, the changes, belittle those who call foul, have a little lie in your beds tonight, close your eyes, take a deep breath and decided "Am I fooling myself, could something be at play here after all" or "I am going to stop posting in the Bonanza thread"

Up to you!

You, like me watch Dazzas videos right??????

 

[Jono777]

You, like me watch Dazzas videos right??????

Yes I do mate.

It is like watching him play the suped up "lets fool players worldwide" demo deluxe "you'll never lose" version

Like the guy, like his videos, always have but that ain't the Bonanza the rest of us get, no joke, no conspiracies, it just is not the same game.

His original more common style videos (Start with £200, £2 spins) is same as me starting with £20 and doing 20p spins and I NEVER get anything close to what I see on those videos, EVER!

Ok, ok, ok, lets say I do fluke a 100x-200x Gold and up to a massive 40p bet, I ain't seeing Gold again and I'm either back on the 20p's before much longer or quitting altogether, again nothing like we often see in those videos.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

R u suggesting that his 20-25k profit in the last 2 years is bollox???

 

[slotmaster]

BOLLOX! I love that word.

 

[snorky510238]

R u suggesting that his 20-25k profit in the last 2 years is bollox???

It’s not profit if your down 25k plus from the previous 4 years. That’s the same as only counting winning sessions on a game and saying, I never lose on Bonanza.

I will ask this question again (as it has been ignored previously)

If the game hasn’t changed, how did I consistently achieve sessions at Videoslots where I would hit between 5 and 10 Gold’s in one session (was happening at least once per week and I posted in this thread regularly) and now I doubt I have seen two sessions like that in 18 months.

You can’t put that down to bad luck, the game has been nerfed beyond belief. You, yourself said that you had to pack it in for your own sanity, yet you played with hardly a murmur for 5 years previously so what changed?

Common denominator. Players who have played millions of spins, are all saying the game has changed.

Affiliates or people who have a vested interest in the industry, are saying it hasn’t. What a surprise.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

You’re suppose to be down when playing the same game for 4 years ffs. What else would you expect playing a 96% game?? Sometimes you’ll lose quickly sometimes it may last longer, but you WILL lose.

How on earth you return solid profit for 2 yrs running playing a 96% game is beyond me. Especially when said game can barely deliver a 500x bonus let alone a DOA2 style 50,000x to fund subsequent sessions.

Chop was very quick to come on here and shout down / dispute VS figures that somebody could run at 40% for 15,000 spins. Yet his boyfriend can win non stop for 2 yrs and it’s perfectly normal? Only natural for people to doubt that isn’t it? Seemingly not in some people’s eyes.

I’m not saying the game has / hasn’t been changed. Never have done. I don’t know and I don’t care. Did I get sessions where it was just too much to handle?? You’re fucking right I did!! Did I get sweet spots and runs? Of course. But they rarely last more than a month tops. Well for most of us anyway.

You came on here boasting about ur 102% and then 98% at videoslots for 4 years. Can you not see you were running way above what you should have been?

So you’re having the exact opposite now for the last couple of yrs? Running at 98/102% for 4 years is ok. But running the same %age in the opposite direction is not? I’m sure you’ve endured some of the filth I did. I know what that feels like believe me mate. How you think we all felt with all your fucking screenshots every day??? Claiming you’re building up a nice bank roll!!! You shouldn’t have been able to do that!!! But somehow you did!!

I’ve learned to loathe the game now regardless. I do agree with what chop says about the stupid feature frequency. I mean think about that for a minute? 1 in 460??? You run bad on that and you’re gonna get in serious trouble. I did on many occasions, but unlike you I had it from the start. You were lucky to avoid it.

It’s pointless debating it. Only BTG will know, but again as chop says it’s irrelevant anyway. As long as it makes RTP and complies to whatever the fuck it needs to comply with it doesn’t matter.

If you’re still playing it mate then don’t if it bothers you that much. Let it go.

My Mrs has now gone 3 weeks without smoking which means I’ve not deposited for 3 weeks either. As much as it annoys the shit out of me for not being able to bet on football and horses, I can assure you it puts you in a better place without online slots.

You’re not suppose to win and you won’t. If you stick at it longer the losses will only increase.

When you’re not enjoying your deposits anymore which you clearly aren’t then don’t bother mate.

One thing I do know tho is that across all casinos I’m roughly where I should be and that is somebody that has done in excess of 2 million spins on the game. Some are a bit north and some are a bit south. But put them all together and I’m getting what I was told I would get.

Losses of around 20-30k just playing on the stakes that I do (20p-£1)A stupid amount of money to lose chasing an event that I think we can ALL agree on simply won’t happen.

Good luck Snorks with what ever you’re punting on.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Oh I just see your comment about me playing the game for 5 years without a murmur!!

Have you seen some of my rage posts!!!!!

The game is a complete head fuck and has been from day one!!!!

 

[mack341]

Red Tiger slots takes over BTG at which point it would be most unlike business people not to run the rule over this newly acquired, popular game to see if they can squeeze a bit more profitability out of it for themselves and casinos.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Then just make another sub 94% maths model.

Get it approved and release it.

Then the public in the ‘know’ can read it and avoid and the casual punters can get fucked over quicker without knowing any difference.

I highly doubt it would be done illegally as there would be know need. Just do what all the other providers have done.

As long as morons keep playing shitty RTP games they’ll keep throwing them at them and nothing will change.

 

[Jono777]

R u suggesting that his 20-25k profit in the last 2 years is bollox???

No.

There are 3 conclusions, people can make their own choice.

1) Mr. D is a super spawny twat
2) This Affiliate RTP banter/joke has more to it than we realise
3) His play is fake and he is Roshteins long lost former half brother

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I would suggest it’s no.1!!!

But I strongly suggest that anybody who plays bonanza no longer watch his videos otherwise you will be tilted to levels I never knew possible!!!

 

[snorky510238]

It wouldn’t be much of a promotion if the person advertising their games endured the real crap the game churns out. More likely to have players avoiding at all costs.

 

[snorky510238]

You’re suppose to be down when playing the same game for 4 years ffs. What else would you expect playing a 96% game?? Sometimes you’ll lose quickly sometimes it may last longer, but you WILL lose.

How on earth you return solid profit for 2 yrs running playing a 96% game is beyond me. Especially when said game can barely deliver a 500x bonus let alone a DOA2 style 50,000x to fund subsequent sessions.

Chop was very quick to come on here and shout down / dispute VS figures that somebody could run at 40% for 15,000 spins. Yet his boyfriend can win non stop for 2 yrs and it’s perfectly normal? Only natural for people to doubt that isn’t it? Seemingly not in some people’s eyes.

I’m not saying the game has / hasn’t been changed. Never have done. I don’t know and I don’t care. Did I get sessions where it was just too much to handle?? You’re fucking right I did!! Did I get sweet spots and runs? Of course. But they rarely last more than a month tops. Well for most of us anyway.

You came on here boasting about ur 102% and then 98% at videoslots for 4 years. Can you not see you were running way above what you should have been?

So you’re having the exact opposite now for the last couple of yrs? Running at 98/102% for 4 years is ok. But running the same %age in the opposite direction is not? I’m sure you’ve endured some of the filth I did. I know what that feels like believe me mate. How you think we all felt with all your fucking screenshots every day??? Claiming you’re building up a nice bank roll!!! You shouldn’t have been able to do that!!! But somehow you did!!

I’ve learned to loathe the game now regardless. I do agree with what chop says about the stupid feature frequency. I mean think about that for a minute? 1 in 460??? You run bad on that and you’re gonna get in serious trouble. I did on many occasions, but unlike you I had it from the start. You were lucky to avoid it.

It’s pointless debating it. Only BTG will know, but again as chop says it’s irrelevant anyway. As long as it makes RTP and complies to whatever the fuck it needs to comply with it doesn’t matter.

If you’re still playing it mate then don’t if it bothers you that much. Let it go.

My Mrs has now gone 3 weeks without smoking which means I’ve not deposited for 3 weeks either. As much as it annoys the shit out of me for not being able to bet on football and horses, I can assure you it puts you in a better place without online slots.

You’re not suppose to win and you won’t. If you stick at it longer the losses will only increase.

When you’re not enjoying your deposits anymore which you clearly aren’t then don’t bother mate.

One thing I do know tho is that across all casinos I’m roughly where I should be and that is somebody that has done in excess of 2 million spins on the game. Some are a bit north and some are a bit south. But put them all together and I’m getting what I was told I would get.

Losses of around 20-30k just playing on the stakes that I do (20p-£1)A stupid amount of money to lose chasing an event that I think we can ALL agree on simply won’t happen.

Good luck Snorks with what ever you’re punting on.

Funnily enough I have been trying those Prag’s. Either I have picked the wrong ones to play or you have mega patience.

I have dabbled with them in the past and never had a decent hit (over x200). I have played Colt Strike and omg. I need to make a doctors appointment for not ditching it after I lost the first tenner. Perhaps they are the type of games to level up once you’ve done a fair few spins? What they absolutely don’t do is make a great case for slots being random. I reckon at a guess, you need to miss the third scatter about 20 times before it feels like it will drop.

Totally disillusioned with slotting, full stop. What you say makes absolute sense in regards to feeling better for packing it in. I didn’t mind losing the expected amount in the first 5/6 years I played online. It genuinely felt like you were playing slots in the 96% range and the value you could get for £20 was worth it. I remember in the first month, I was playing at Thrills. I deposited £20 and played with that deposit for over a week (probably turning over at least 20k) and fluctuated between that and £960 (50p max bet) and withdrew £450. Imagine telling someone that nowadays, they would look at you as if you were mad.

The past 2 years however, just feel like you are being totally shafted, 96% of the time. Hitting losing spells that are 20 times worse than anything that even seemed possible, previously. I am not just talking Bonanza here, I am talking slots in general. Even the good old solid slots like Montezuma, don’t play anything like they used to.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I quite liked the prags, with the ante bet (higher chance of feature), altho now and again they could still take the piss to land I felt they were much fairer over all. After playing bonanza mainly all the time it was refreshing to get more regular features.

I initially ran like a god on them and of course the worm turned but I still rated them as an overall fairer chance. My withdrawals started getting far more healthy.

The ordinary ones like dog house and Wild West gold (ordinary not Megaways version) we’re always very lumpy. And with no base game to speak of could really destroy balances in record times.

I also used to like Rhino and Monte, but their appeal started to vanish mainly because I got involved in bonanza but apart from one decent rhino hit I struggled to get near even 3-500X. Initially I played them a lot.

I quite liked chaos crew but again be prepared to have balances ripped, but you know the odds of a decent feature are way better than bonanza, the kick back is the dog shit base game.

 

[hogexd]

Duality of Bonanza. For me the slot has been pretty much the same since last year. I have to say though, I do think I have more ”great” bonuses than ”absolutely garbage” ones.

Let’s face it, whether it has changed during these years or not, we will all still continue to play it for even the slightest glimmer of hope for a crazy win. And as always, that hope is instantly shattered by a thousand spins of GOL with the D still stuck in those rumored glory days of ”OG” bonanza

truly a special slot.

 

[slot_zombie]

Nothings changed, ok maybe the variance but I'm done trying to convince anyone and there is a message here for others too, stop banging your heads up the wall, its pointless and 'they' won't listen nor change their minds.

Slots in general answer me this though, also see if you can do it without mentioning RTP, there is an added challenge.

2018, maybe 2019 and prior to, 7/10 my £10/£15/£20 deposits would last 2-3 hours, sometimes longer and I'd play 4,5,6 different games, balance shifting up down, up down but never busting fast and also at the same time not really getting to cash out territory.

Bringing Bonanza into the mix, maybe same 7/10, a tenner would give me an hour, maybe a couple of GOLD, maybe the base game holding up but either way not munching my dosh as if it is the last day on Earth.

Talking 2020 onwards, the 7/10 scenario has now become 1/10, 2/10 if I am being generous.

Spot on post. Some would say that modern games are now much higher variance so of course we can expect to lose faster most of the time. But we are talking about "classic" games that historically could hold a balance like a champ for the low-rolling, low-depositing player - Bonanza, TS2, IR, TFROL, Rhino, Monte and so on. The RTPs haven't changed, at least the versions I play, so.. tinfoils aside, what has? Because they sure aren't delivering the play time any longer.

The only logical answer is that the variance must have been quietly shifted according to market trends, making the base games far more brutal, bonuses less frequent, and a big extra chunk of RTP being allocated to a few freak bonus wins that most players will never see.

As for Dunover, starting with 100x and "most of the time" hitting at least one GOLD on Bonanza - as well as running super hot and being thousands up on it - defies all experience of the game. He should be busting out with no bonus at least 3 or more videos to every one he hits the bonus but that doesn't happen and there is no rational explanation, as already commented.

 

[Jono777]

Spot on post. Some would say that modern games are now much higher variance so of course we can expect to lose faster most of the time. But we are talking about "classic" games that historically could hold a balance like a champ for the low-rolling, low-depositing player - Bonanza, TS2, IR, TFROL, Rhino, Monte and so on. The RTPs haven't changed, at least the versions I play, so.. tinfoils aside, what has? Because they sure aren't delivering the play time any longer.

The only logical answer is that the variance must have been quietly shifted according to market trends, making the base games far more brutal, bonuses less frequent, and a big extra chunk of RTP being allocated to a few freak bonus wins that most players will never see.

As for Dunover, starting with 100x and "most of the time" hitting at least one GOLD on Bonanza - as well as running super hot and being thousands up on it - defies all experience of the game. He should be busting out with no bonus at least 3 or more videos to every one he hits the bonus but that doesn't happen and there is no rational explanation, as already commented.

Spot on reply and also appreciated.

Strange how the "defenders of the industry" (tired can't think of anything clever right now) didn't rush to provide me with answers or at least some suggestions. Until your quote, I even forgot I'd posted this lol.

Maybe its because there are none and although not "rigged" as such, significant changes have indeed been made.

I know for a fact, If I designed a product which became popular and was making me lots of money, I sure find a way of "tweaking" it so it could make me even more money!

 

[dirtystacks]

Haven't read all 837 pages of this thread but it seems Bonanza has a following! Tried for a few hours last night to get a bonus without success, but a nice base game win came in.

Will continue low-rolling for a few more nights then maybe go up to my usual higher bets for a while.

 

[snorky510238]

Thought I’d better bump the thread as like the slot, it seems dead on it’s arse.

Apologies for pushing past all the posters waiting to post all their x500 plus, screenshots. Oh…..wait a min…. ah, yeah…..I see.

 

[Jono777]

For a very rare event, I actually quickly doubled my £20 deposit on this last night, £6 win, £11 win and a bonus for £9 being the "main events"

Boy did the compensators kick in soon as I hit £40, no more wins over £1.xx, no more cascade chances never mind features and back to starting point in about 15-20 minutes.

These days I don't let it destroy me to £0 and left with what I started with so there is that I suppose.

 

[slotmaster]

Only GOL's in the very short time played today, thought Gold was for sure going to drop, otherwise what snorky said, it's dead and very boring for me lately.

 

[sh33k]

about bonanza... it belongs to Pragmatic which means that it usually doesn't give anything! except if you bet from 10€ and above! you must have given me money 1 time out of 10! and turn off the sound!!!!