New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[Kroffe]

Makes you wonder about games like Buffalo king, Peking luck (and many other)
Supposedly they have the capability of producing 93.000x/180.000x stake wins from a single spin, meaning they technically could deliver 500 000x+ wins during a bonus if a couple of those spins happened.

But these games you can play at silly stakes at many sites (not just curacao/crypto ones), stakes that i assume could ruin a casino if the impossible (well supposedly possible) were to happen and a 500 000x+ win was produced.
You would think that casinos that lower the max bet on Doa2 with its in comparison small max win to reduce the exposure would do the same for the slots that has unlimited potential.

So are these casinos really risking going out of business on a daily basis by allowing high stakes on those games or are those kinds of wins impossible meaning there is no risk.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Sessioning DOA2 again today Kroffe.

Any tips mate??

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

God damn it!!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Proof required please.

I'm not the one making wild-eyed claims that an incredibly popular, well established and certified game is bent/cheating/gimped, and run by 'crooks and robbers', the burden of proof rests with you.

You think places like VS don't have the numbers for a game like Bonanza? You think they're not keeping an eye on really popular games to make sure they're performing as expected?

If BTG and/or the casinos want to make more money out of Bonanza, all they need to do is re-release it with an RTP of 94% - job done.

 

[goatwack]

Games aren't geared towards regular players, they're made for streamers to sing, dance & lose their marbles over, so that others attempt to emulate them.

We see that more and more with modern slot design, and you can be sure that developers sought to replicate that on many of their older IP, where the variance has most definitely been made top-heavy so as to keep up with The Joneses.

These games aren't hardwired, but 'live', and so the notion that a company's incapable or unwilling to tweak gameplay via 'patches' is what's laughable, all the more so when none of these patches are ever fully disclosed.

Bonanza has always been absurdly unique in its behaviours, and so why wouldn't BTG, or rather Evolution, amend its variance, provided it falls within the 96% RTP parameters? Bonanza's likely fallen down the pecking order in both player base and streaming viability.

I'm sure it's possible to lose £20 in varying ways on the same game, and still be at the same RTP. And the accounts being heard post- Evolution takeover do indicate that THAT marked a significant change in gameplay, at complete odds with say 2016 Bonanza.

Given those players' hours and money invested, I tend to lean on their experience, as I'm sure their travails are valid and not simply borne out of boredom

 

[Kroffe]

Sessioning DOA2 again today Kroffe.

Any tips mate??

You should really be asking @bianchini82 when it comes to Doa2.
Im all about Asian weddings these days.

 

[interlog]

Games aren't geared towards regular players, they're made for streamers to sing, dance & lose their marbles over, so that others attempt to emulate them.

We see that more and more with modern slot design, and you can be sure that developers sought to replicate that on many of their older IP, where the variance has most definitely been made top-heavy so as to keep up with The Joneses.

These games aren't hardwired, but 'live', and so the notion that a company's incapable or unwilling to tweak gameplay via 'patches' is what's laughable, all the more so when none of these patches are ever fully disclosed.

Bonanza has always been absurdly unique in its behaviours, and so why wouldn't BTG, or rather Evolution, amend its variance, provided it falls within the 96% RTP parameters? Bonanza's likely fallen down the pecking order in both player base and streaming viability.

I'm sure it's possible to lose £20 in varying ways on the same game, and still be at the same RTP. And the accounts being heard post- Evolution takeover do indicate that THAT marked a significant change in gameplay, at complete odds with say 2016 Bonanza.

Given those players' hours and money invested, I tend to lean on their experience, as I'm sure their travails are valid and not simply borne out of boredom

But it hasn't played any different for me, and I have been playing the game since its release.

It will screw you over when it is in no mood to pay out, and you get the occasional good session on it. Granted, I haven't had a 14,000x win on it but then again, how many players have had a 13,200x win on DHV when I had?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Games aren't geared towards regular players, they're made for streamers to sing, dance & lose their marbles over, so that others attempt to emulate them.

We see that more and more with modern slot design, and you can be sure that developers sought to replicate that on many of their older IP, where the variance has most definitely been made top-heavy so as to keep up with The Joneses.

These games aren't hardwired, but 'live', and so the notion that a company's incapable or unwilling to tweak gameplay via 'patches' is what's laughable, all the more so when none of these patches are ever fully disclosed.

Bonanza has always been absurdly unique in its behaviours, and so why wouldn't BTG, or rather Evolution, amend its variance, provided it falls within the 96% RTP parameters? Bonanza's likely fallen down the pecking order in both player base and streaming viability.

I'm sure it's possible to lose £20 in varying ways on the same game, and still be at the same RTP. And the accounts being heard post- Evolution takeover do indicate that THAT marked a significant change in gameplay, at complete odds with say 2016 Bonanza.

Given those players' hours and money invested, I tend to lean on their experience, as I'm sure their travails are valid and not simply borne out of boredom

I've acknowledged multiples times that the game might have been changed, I don't have the personal experience to draw a conclusion one way or the other, something I've always been upfront about. I've made what I consider to be a decent case as to why it makes no sense for BTG to do so, and certainly not in the bizarre way snorky seems to think the game works.

From what I can see in this thread, we see some people doing well on it, and some people not doing well on it, just as you'd expect. (And I see interlog has just said the game seems to be playing the same for him as it always has done, and that he's been playing it since release. Is his experience with the game and opinion any less valid than snorky's?)

Something we can all agree on, I assume, is that as long as the game still makes RTP, BTG aren't doing anything wrong from a legal perspective, I'd agree it's a bit scummy from a moral/ethical - (lol, I mean, y'know, we do understand the space we're talking about here.....) - standpoint if they have done a bit of a bait & switch with a new version of the game, but yeah, they can totally do that.

 

[TheAddict]

Did ayone ever manage to hit the half a trillion ways on the Sky version with the bonus trigger, or whatever it was that some (Dunover & PMK mentioned it, iirc) said never happened while playing at Sky?
Just curious!

 

[brianmon]

I'm still doing ok with Bonanza, at least with the bonuses. I'm getting between 50x and 500x.
But the base game is terrible now.
Especially the recently updated version served from the MGS servers.

A balance of 100x stake would usually last for 30/45 minutes or even an hour.
Now, if you're really lucky you'll get 30 minutes (assuming you don't manage to get a bonus).

But you're more likely to get something like this

100x at 20p = 19 minutes

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

The NYX version does the same it just plays slower.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

You won’t be my record of 400x stake down in under an hour at UNIBET.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Did ayone ever manage to hit the half a trillion ways on the Sky version with the bonus trigger, or whatever it was that some (Dunover & PMK mentioned it, iirc) said never happened while playing at Sky?
Just curious!

Sky now running NYX so you can hit scatters in max Megaways.

The openbet version they were running couldn’t produce scatters in max ways no.

 

[snorky510238]

From what I can see in this thread, we see some people doing well on it, and some people not doing well on it, just as you'd expect.

And the people that are doing well, are……….Well, they were here somewhere, hang on a minute, I’ll find them….No, I will honestly. They were literally…..here somewhere.

Yep, I think you’ll have to back about 2 years to find one of the aforementioned.

If you don’t think games get changed, can you explain exactly what is being done when a game gets an update? God knows what version of Bonanza we are on now but it’s had a fair few over the time. What legitimate things are they doing?

 

[interlog]

So here we have @snorky510238 asking others to disprove his theory that Bonanza has been gimped. In my world it is on the person that make assertions to prove those, not the other way round.

So @snorky510238 - what proof do you have that the game has been gimped or made to disadvantage the player beyond the advertised RTP. And you playing the game extensively since its release is not good enough, because others have played it since release too that haven't been affected as you have claimed to be.

 

[Jono777]

I hate when these threads get like this as I want everyone to get along, sadly not going to happen.

Anyway, not taking sides either way but sharing my experiences.

Over the past couple of years...

50x+ base game hits lot less often
cascading 'D' even rarer than it was
bonuses which upon release seemed a tad more widespread but DID often deliver a decent one, say 300-500x
20 - 40x bonuses as we see today were rare a couple of years back
blocking rows of the same symbol (mostly red rubies) a lot more in place these days
+5 still seen but rarer

summary: Game has been gimped,

If i could have every wage of every job in a lump sum, I'd confidently stake the lot double or bust that this game has been fucked up and does not pay 96%, might say it does but no fucking way!

People call BTG* crooks, maybe they're not but they sure are dodgy and up to something

*/Evo

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Cascading D even rarer for some but not others!!!

 

[Jono777]

Cascading D even rarer for some but not others!!!

Yeah, does seem to be a link, think I'll change my name to 'D'ono

His videos are good to watch but from what I read on here not a true reflection of what everyone else is getting.

 

[CongoGB]

I hate when these threads get like this as I want everyone to get along, sadly not going to happen.

Anyway, not taking sides either way but sharing my experiences.

Over the past couple of years...

50x+ base game hits lot less often
cascading 'D' even rarer than it was
bonuses which upon release seemed a tad more widespread but DID often deliver a decent one, say 300-500x
20 - 40x bonuses as we see today were rare a couple of years back
blocking rows of the same symbol (mostly red rubies) a lot more in place these days
+5 still seen but rarer

summary: Game has been gimped,

If i could have every wage of every job in a lump sum, I'd confidently stake the lot double or bust that this game has been fucked up and does not pay 96%, might say it does but no fucking way!

People call BTG* crooks, maybe they're not but they sure are dodgy and up to something

*/Evo

And on the other hand - I've not really found any difference in the game over the years. In fact, over the past few months, I'm getting more D's than normal, including cascades.

But this'll get ignored as is doesn't feed into snorky's ever growing madness. Or because I don't post as often as some, I can't be as hardcore a player as others...

 

[Jono777]

And on the other hand - I've not really found any difference in the game over the years. In fact, over the past few months, I'm getting more D's than normal, including cascades.

But this'll get ignored as is doesn't feed into snorky's ever growing madness. Or because I don't post as often as some, I can't be as hardcore a player as others...

I'm quite the opposite of hardcore mate, just mentioning things I've picked up on over past couple of years that's all

 

[CongoGB]

I'm quite the opposite of hardcore mate, just mentioning things I've picked up on over past couple of years that's all

I'm not having a go at you in any way mate, but little posts like that are what's picked up on by snorky as being "truth", whereas the opposite view is always, always ignored.

I said it before a week or so ago, but I wish people would just stop the craziness that has been going on for, what, 4 years now? Put that time and effort into something, anything more worthwhile and just give it a break on here.

Wondering why this thread has gone mega quiet in the past few years as to what it was? That's why. Not because nobody is playing or getting decent wins - people just don't want to post in this toxic mess any more. And the small number of mega hardcore players have just gone off and done something else with their time.

Anyway, that's my thoughts done with! Going off to do better things!

 

[Reelsoffun]

I will be honest I too have not seen or noticed a big trend to it being worse, but out of curiosity i thought I would check......... its no secret that I log all my bonuses....... so lets look.... my last one hundred bonuses on bonanza have yielded an average of............ wait for it............ 99x pretty much where its always been for me.

Of course this dont prove anything either way but for me, my data is showing little change if any.

 

[interlog]

Q: How mch does a bonus buy on Bonanza cost?

A: 80x stake

Doesn't that tell you enough?

 

[goatwack]

I don't think it's about post count or how hardcore a player is on a certain game, but noticing and subsequently airing one's personal findings with a game. I could just as easily claim I'd spent numerous hours per day slotting, since discovering slotting, and that my latter play was predominantly Bonanza- based.

This would then give way to me being able to opine on the game's wondrous workings through experience, and having invested a significant portion of time and of course money to this endeavour.

People are free to make up their own mind on the game, it's not for anyone to dissuade others to cease playing Bonanza fortwith. If the game works for the individual, then all the better for it. But much like Brexit, the dos and do nots aren't ever likely to come together in one big agreement orgy, are they!

 

[cncas2123]

If you look at my posts over the years it was always a pile off shite, dead bonus after dead bonus with the rare exception once every 3 or 4 months.
I could never understand how some could get 500 x as a matter of course time after time.
But it changed a while back for me a few months back with a 5,000 x base game hit .
On a break for 6 months but can be sure it’s going to be playing it’s normal crap when I go back .
So for me it hasn’t changed over the years it was always a pile of crap that roped you in with potential potential potential but always failed to deliver.