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[pinnit2014]

PP's are more entertaining in the main: take DH, get those wilds early on....ur heartbeat does go up considerably. You get an enhanced feature in BTG and it goes down.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yes imo they have the balance far better.

 

[TheAddict]

You know this game has done an absolute number on your brain when you're going round telling people that Prags are good

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You’re confusing 1 or 2 people saying it’s been changed with that of a global opinion.

As I said it’s always had the ability to behave like this. Some people will have managed to avoid it. Others won’t have been so lucky. Everybody comes on and moans when they get shafted and I’m certainly no different, but that doesn’t mean the game has been changed. However it’s examples like the above (1 feature in 8.5k spins) that really make you realise the game is a shit show compared to other slots that DO produce far better value for money.

In fresh news after my hills mauling I tried 365 yesterday. The MSG speed fest.

£250 wiped out on 40/60p but I did manage 3 features. 2 were both under 50x the other slightly above.

A revisit this morning and 100x stake deposit wiped out in 13 minutes and 7 seconds.

Now that my friends is value.

I was close to a grand up over a couple of weeks on football and horses along with a fortunate hit on another game. Bonanza has munched the lot on small stakes and has been an absolute disgrace. A reminder to myself of why I ditched depositing with my ‘own’ money.

Long love the Pragmatics!! See the light people!!!

Better value to be had!!!

However I would still draw the line playing the bore fest that you enjoy playing over at 3 dice!

Congrats by the way choppers for not mentioning them in 2 consecutive posts!!! Is that a record??

I've never been convinced that it's been changed, but quite a few folks here absolutely insist it has been.

However going from the numbers we either categorically have, or can be pretty confident about, it seems to me there's very little that actually could have been changed at this point.

 

[Jono777]

I've never been convinced that it's been changed, but quite a few folks here absolutely insist it has been.

However going from the numbers we either categorically have, or can be pretty confident about, it seems to me there's very little that actually could have been changed at this point.

Its posts like this that have Evo and BTG laughing all round their offices

I know your seasoned, clued up in general etc mate but you have admitted you don't really play it much these days, most of the players who have posted about changes are the ones who eat, breath, shit and sleep the game so I'd think they've notice any changes more than us casual/occasional players, whether untoward or not.

 

[pinnit2014]

Has the 96% been breached? Probably not. But it does raise questions how you actually get there.

2016-19: more 500-1000x wins, very little 1000x plus

2019-now: more 1000x plus wins, but more sub 50x's.

Is that a change in gameplay? I would say yes. Yet we trundle out the old: but RTP is still 96%! Having played it, the variance has been ramped up, per above. Does that make it a different game, in terms of play: i can see why players think so

Choppers is very sceptical over government policy, i don't quite get why he's not as sceptical over RTP's

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Its posts like this that have Evo and BTG laughing all round their offices

I know your seasoned, clued up in general etc mate but you have admitted you don't really play it much these days, most of the players who have posted about changes are the ones who eat, breath, shit and sleep the game so I'd think they've notice any changes more than us casual/occasional players, whether untoward or not.

Has the 96% been breached? Probably not. But it does raise questions how you actually get there.

2016-19: more 500-1000x wins, very little 1000x plus

2019-now: more 1000x plus wins, but more sub 50x's.

Is that a change in gameplay? I would say yes. Yet we trundle out the old: but RTP is still 96%! Having played it, the variance has been ramped up, per above. Does that make it a different game, in terms of play: i can see why players think so

Choppers is very sceptical over government policy, i don't quite get why he's not as sceptical over RTP's

Oh for sure and I've said more than once that ultimately I defer to those who have far more experience with the game than I do when it comes to the question of has it been changed or not, but as per the list I posted earlier today, based on the numbers we have for various aspects of the game, there's not really much left for BTG to have messed with! (Volatility in the base game and/or bonus being about the extent of it - and yes, it's entirely possible that BTG have altered that.)

Bonanza has never made any sense to me anyway, 76% RTP in a grindy base game with 20% in a feature that's awarded 1/460 is a recipe for extreme swings in long-term behaviour even if the game's moment-to-moment volatility isn't that insane, and the truth is we've seen that over the years in this thread. There are people describing things now that they insist prove it's been changed, that others were describing years ago when they had the same experience, but earlier on.

As for pinnit's comment on RTP, if you're sceptical about that then it really is time to hang up your playing shoes, because we're into flat out illegal, cheating behaviour at that point, if a game doesn't make RTP.

 

[pinnit2014]

Oh for sure and I've said more than once that ultimately I defer to those who have far more experience with the game than I do when it comes to the question of has it been changed or not, but as per the list I posted earlier today, based on the numbers we have for various aspects of the game, there's not really much left for BTG to have messed with! (Volatility in the base game and/or bonus being about the extent of it - and yes, it's entirely possible that BTG have altered that)

Bonanza has never made any sense to me anyway, 76% RTP in a grindy base game with 20% in a feature that's awarded 1/460 is a recipe for extreme swings in long-term behaviour even if the game's moment-to-moment volatility isn't that insane, and the truth is we've seen that over the years in this thread. There are people describing things now that they insist prove it's been changed, that others were describing years ago when they had the same experience, but earlier on.

As for pinnit's comment on RTP, if you're sceptical about that then it really is time to hang up your playing shoes, because we're into flat out illegal, cheating behaviour at that point, if a game doesn't make RTP.

I'm not sceptical about RTP, im sceptical about routes a-d to get to it....

 

[TheSchwad]

WTF?? That is the first VERIFIED instance I've seen of people who usually say "Oh, I had 4000 spins and no feature blaha blah..." I have gone over 2500 (counted) without one, so say I did that twice consecutively that would be 2 features in over 5k spins. But one in 8.1k??? That is unbelievably bad. I recall 13 consecutive deposits at Jackpot Joy without one, but I didn't count the total spins and they were £50 deposits playing 40-60p so assuming 300 spin average that would have been just shy of 4k spins, only half as bad as yours.

I think that serves as a reminder of what the variance of Bonanza is capable of, it can go on extended periods of utter shiteness then all of a sudden you'll get a session where they drop in like confetti and keep on doing so day after day. I hope that's the case for you - with Jackpot Joy in my case I SE'd before I ever got to the point of luck changing as I was so pissed off with it. It's also noticeable your RTP is pretty bang on the base game proportion of 76% so with 20% for the feature and no features landed it strikes a chord.

Well finally got the bonus, think slottracker had it at 9,616 spins, was a five scatter and paid about 178x. Thought the game had opened up (broke the seal afte the horrific run) cos gave another 12 spins later. On £2 but paid 11x, upped to £3 for another in less than 100 spins but paid poor again, raised to £4 got balance to £400 then wiped it out in about 250 spins. So not the amazing glut of bonuses I was hoping for but did open up a little after the seal was finally broken. And towards the end, even though its a record I don't want, was kinda expecting to hit the 10,000 spin mark but glad it's finally over.



Will post the screen shots tommorow when I can get on laptop (just driven 250 miles up the disgusting M1) can't remember the figures exactly.

 

[TheSchwad]

Please see the final screenshots, it finally hit on spin 9615.
Although it recovered a little and RTP improved, I'm still five times the bonus frequency average, and the RTP doesn't tell the whole story, as at least 5,500 spins were on 20p. The snap-in shows money RTP (money in/money out), wheres the dashboard console shows StatiscticalRTP which takes into account stake, this is down at 73% cos of all the 20p spins when it was playing horrendously.



I upped it to £1 stake as was about to bust out.



The £3 bonus actually did a rare hit on the last spin.

I'll continue plating in hope I can get some quick bonuses as it owes me, but will never grind it like that again, and doubt it'll get a deposit for a while, thankfully several bonuses at least buffered one third of my losses.

 

[TheSchwad]

But if it's been changed how is that possible

8000 spins without a feature must be at the outer edge of what it's statistically capable of. With a 1/460 feature frequency, to go 8096 spins without one is 17.6x the average, I'd always considered a run of 10x the average to be very bad.

Apologies for putting this in the Bonanza thread, but seems quite topical at the moment, I remember @ChopleyIOM saying the TRTP should converge even on the most volatile games after around 100,000 spins, I think it would take alot longer than this, but at what point would you expect Bonus frequency to converge? My DOA2 bonus frequency is well below the expected 1/195 even after 153,620 spins. Am I getting a really raw deal, making a WildLine even harder to hit?

I've never been concerned with RTP as doubt I'd ever do enough spins on a single slot for it to count, but do get annoyed when my bonus frequency is below expected, even though most pay crap. Surely bonus frequency should converge after around ten thousand spins as volatility doesn't matter.

Annoyingly I've done closer to 400,000 spins on DOA2 but tend to play more on the sites where SlotTracker doesn't work, Bet35, LottoMart etc where they have the non-tease NetEnts (cheers UKGC). On these sites I perceive my bonus frequency is even lower as the slot plays faster and bonuses seem less frequenct, but without AutoSpin I can never know how many spins each bonus takes, as AutoClicker does all the work.

 

[Schind]

Got the bonus for the third time in 910 spins today. Good in one way but this one was a measly 11.8x. I had a bigger win (42x) in the base game just a few spins earlier.

(Can't attach screenshot cos my file is too large apparently. I'm new to this site so will have to look into how to do that)

 

[cncas2123]

i never learn, I keep thinking I will get some kind of decent bonus eventually.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Apologies for putting this in the Bonanza thread, but seems quite topical at the moment, I remember @ChopleyIOM saying the TRTP should converge even on the most volatile games after around 100,000 spins, I think it would take alot longer than this, but at what point would you expect Bonus frequency to converge? My DOA2 bonus frequency is well below the expected 1/195 even after 153,620 spins. Am I getting a really raw deal, making a WildLine even harder to hit?

I've never been concerned with RTP as doubt I'd ever do enough spins on a single slot for it to count, but do get annoyed when my bonus frequency is below expected, even though most pay crap. Surely bonus frequency should converge after around ten thousand spins as volatility doesn't matter.

Annoyingly I've done closer to 400,000 spins on DOA2 but tend to play more on the sites where SlotTracker doesn't work, Bet35, LottoMart etc where they have the non-tease NetEnts (cheers UKGC). On these sites I perceive my bonus frequency is even lower as the slot plays faster and bonuses seem less frequenct, but without AutoSpin I can never know how many spins each bonus takes, as AutoClicker does all the work.

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DOA2 is an insanely volatile game of course (which I'm sure you're very well aware of already ), but your bonus round frequency is outside where I'd expect it to be given your spin sample size, and the relatively sane frequency of DOA's bonus round (even if its actual volatility is bonkers).

The obvious question is are we happy that this SlotTracker thing always works OK? The risk with any third party tool is that it doesn't always parse things correctly. And also are we content with the input data of 1/195, I assume that's verified?

Certainly with both DOA1 and DOA2, you can only really hit big in the bonus round (and the five scatters), so your RTP is going to be hurt especially badly if you're behind the curve on bonus round frequency.

I wouldn't call shenanigans with your numbers yet, but I'd certainly expect that bonus round frequency to start to normalise down over the next few ten thousand spins or so.

 

[brianmon]

DOA2 is an insanely volatile game of course (which I'm sure you're very well aware of already ), but your bonus round frequency is outside where I'd expect it to be given your spin sample size, and the relatively sane frequency of DOA's bonus round (even if its actual volatility is bonkers).

The obvious question is are we happy that this SlotTracker thing always works OK? The risk with any third party tool is that it doesn't always parse things correctly. And also are we content with the input data of 1/195, I assume that's verified?

Certainly with both DOA1 and DOA2, you can only really hit big in the bonus round (and the five scatters), so your RTP is going to be hurt especially badly if you're behind the curve on bonus round frequency.

I wouldn't call shenanigans with your numbers yet, but I'd certainly expect that bonus round frequency to start to normalise down over the next few ten thousand spins or so.

I stopped using SlotTracker a few years ago. But at that time it was only registering the bonus feature on the MGS version and not the NextGen version (or maybe it was the other way around). So not only was the bonus frequency wrong but the actual winnings from the bonus weren't registered.
It doesn't look like anything has changed either. Here's a screenshot of the community data from SlotTracker...
(note the warning from SlotTracker that the bonus figures might be wrong)

 

[curremon]

Superbonus on new outlaw sure compensates how Bad Bonanza IS.. holy fuck btg IS shit

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I stopped using SlotTracker a few years ago. But at that time it was only registering the bonus feature on the MGS version and not the NextGen version (or maybe it was the other way around). So not only was the bonus frequency wrong but the actual winnings from the bonus weren't registered.
It doesn't look like anything has changed either. Here's a screenshot of the community data from SlotTracker...
(note the warning from SlotTracker that the bonus figures might be wrong)

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Ahhh OK then, so in simple terms, it doesn't work properly and we can't really draw any conclusions from the data it collects.

 

[TheSchwad]

I stopped using SlotTracker a few years ago. But at that time it was only registering the bonus feature on the MGS version and not the NextGen version (or maybe it was the other way around). So not only was the bonus frequency wrong but the actual winnings from the bonus weren't registered.
It doesn't look like anything has changed either. Here's a screenshot of the community data from SlotTracker...
(note the warning from SlotTracker that the bonus figures might be wrong)

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I use it sparingly, though the latest update seems to have fixed alot of the issues. It's now just an chrome snap-in, rather than hosting it on own system. It also seems to be back to the old style where it tracks globally, rather than for each casino brand.

If I notice it's not tracking right I switch it off. Though spins is one thing that always seems to work. Still doesn't register bonuses for old style Microgaming, but think the creators know as it says N/A rather than counting up the spins indefinitely.

They've thankfully fixed the x win issue, was showing my biggest x win as 400,000x (I wish). The Netents that track seem fine.

I like the version from four years ago, cos it showed when a bonus was dropping in on some providers as the spins since bonus went to 0. And if bonus paid higher than previous biggest win, it registered. Which showed which bonuses were predetermined (quickspin, push etc).

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Both of these in the same session. The bigger win was a 5 scatter trigger.

 

[cncas2123]

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Just to add some contrast to my previous post,here was my bonus today on a raised stake of £1.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Just to add some contrast to my previous post,here was my bonus today on a raised stake of £1.

Just managed to withdraw £190 from winning £13 on free spins offer from Mr Vegas on Bonanza. Took me 3 days of wagering because I'd put a limit of £500 on wagering rather than a £500 deposit limit! Doh.

 

[cncas2123]

Just once I would like to hit the average, this is really getting out of hand, cant remember the last time I even got near to x 100 on this and I am playing it every day.

 

[cncas2123]

Just once I would like to hit the average, this is really getting out of hand, cant remember the last time I even got near to x 100 on this and I am playing it every day.

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[johnnymcc1966]

Just once I would like to hit the average, this is really getting out of hand, cant remember the last time I even got near to x 100 on this and I am playing it every day.

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I'd suggest not playing it every day and coming back to it after a break. You will drive yourself bonkers.