BoDog Cipher strand, Constants vs Yield

sw2003 said:
Hey Cipher, have you lost when you up your wager by three times like that? Or you win, say, 80 % of the time when you upped your bet significiantly?

As long as I stay within the parameters of what the session is in fact yielding I maintain a win factor of about 87%. But I can and will also tell you it is very difficult to not jump all over something that you think is there but that is not showing in the trend analysis chart and I've gotten clocked for it.

Lastly, with some software there is absolutely a correlation between the amount wagered and the likelyhood of winning a higher wagered bet. I've done a ton of work on that theory and I continue to work on that daily.
 
Your program seems very interesting but does it give out more than that revealed by your screenshots? Please don't take it the wrong way, but so far from what I can see, it is not that different from using some sort of a positive progression. I can get what you show on the screenshots using two different colored pens and recorded the win/lose trends on paper. I observed also from time to time that you took advantage of patterns like win/lose/win/lose, or win/win/lose/win/win ... etc. Why do I need a program to do that other than perhaps the program could do it automatically ?

Perhaps you haven't showed us other analyses that your program produces or ......? :confused:
 
sw2003 said:
Your program seems very interesting but does it give out more than that revealed by your screenshots? Please don't take it the wrong way, but so far from what I can see, it is not that different from using some sort of a positive progression. I can get what you show on the screenshots using two different colored pens and recorded the win/lose trends on paper. I observed also from time to time that you took advantage of patterns like win/lose/win/lose, or win/win/lose/win/win ... etc. Why do I need a program to do that other than perhaps the program could do it automatically ?

Perhaps you haven't showed us other analyses that your program produces or ......? :confused:

You are right SW2003 there is a lot of the backend that I have not shown screen shots of. And you're also correct that I will at times take advantage of previously exhibited patterns such as the switchbacks as well as triggers that you mentioned. Have a good one.
 
nafanny29 said:
One thing that ive deduced from all this is that the BJ play is rigged by the casinos and cipher has sort of cracked the code to some extent.

After 3-4 years of playing thousands of hands over various software I would bet my house that most software cheats at some point and if youve sussed it out cipher good luck and hope you win untold riches!!

One exception to this is crockfords/stanley bet which i am certain is not rigged!!

online gambling is like the wild wild west in some cases. no rules, no laws just pure greed. There are some exceptions. Fortune lounge is one group i have a profit of nearly $15000 on just bJ this year. They seem decent. Casino rewards (zodiac, blackjack ballroom) im not so sure about as I wrote in another post. i too played thousands if not hundreds of thousands of hands of bj. I too believe that a lot of software is set up to a certain degree. You just get a feeling for it after a while. Mostly, it feels like it depends a lot on the size of the bet, ESPECIALLY with RTG, playtech and places like BODOG. If you look at ciphers records, the red outnumbers the green by a TON. 49% odds in your favor does not produce such losses.

Sure, MG, RTG or playtech makes the software. These casinos have millions upon millions of dollars. Dont you think it would be easy for them to hire a few smart programmers to design a "switch" or profit "limit" if the casino wants one? Could it be possible that MG, RTG or other software companys are just unaware any tampering that a casino could do?

draw your own conclusions, and most of this is just pure speculation, but I wouldn't put it past some of these casinos to do. There are a lot more Casino Bar/Casino on Air cases out there that nobody has discovered yet.
 
jerseyguy11 said:
Sure, MG, RTG or playtech makes the software. These casinos have millions upon millions of dollars. Dont you think it would be easy for them to hire a few smart programmers to design a "switch" or profit "limit" if the casino wants one? Could it be possible that MG, RTG or other software companys are just unaware any tampering that a casino could do?

I'm pretty sure that RTG has control over the software because when one RTG casino is being updated, they are all being updated which would lead me to believe that they are all conected through RTG servers in some way but I am not a computer expert (far from it) and I am just guessing here. Others who are more experienced with servers and how this works may be able to explain better.
 
jerseyguy11 said:
If you look at ciphers records, the red outnumbers the green by a TON. 49% odds in your favor does not produce such losses.

Sure, MG, RTG or playtech makes the software. These casinos have millions upon millions of dollars. Dont you think it would be easy for them to hire a few smart programmers to design a "switch" or profit "limit" if the casino wants one? Could it be possible that MG, RTG or other software companys are just unaware any tampering that a casino could do?

Cipher records showed a very limited number of hands, yes I agree that they showed more red than green but there aren't that many hands on the screenshots for one to draw any conclusion.

If the words got out that MG or RTG or PlayTech software had a switch in their BJ games, imagine how many customers they are going to lose. Let's assume that the software does have a switch for argument sake, how are they going to prevent that secret from leaking out with so many casino people out there? Only owners are ever going to see the software control page or the software can only be controled at the softwares' headquarter and not at the casinos? How?
 
sw2003 said:
Cipher records showed a very limited number of hands, yes I agree that they showed more red than green but there aren't that many hands on the screenshots for one to draw any conclusion.

If the words got out that MG or RTG or PlayTech software had a switch in their BJ games, imagine how many customers they are going to lose. Let's assume that the software does have a switch for argument sake, how are they going to prevent that secret from leaking out with so many casino people out there? Only owners are ever going to see the software control page or the software can only be controled at the softwares' headquarter and not at the casinos? How?


well, yes i know ciphers showed limited play, however I played at bo dog 3 times now and each time my results have been about 30% win and 70% loss if i remember right. Im too record screenshots, but I'm going to start doing so soon. To give bodog credit, I did win $1500 one night, primarily due to 3 $400 bets, so you can win. But i just get a bad feeling playing there (btw i play their no download). Ciphers records show 35 losses and 22 wins. That is pretty consistent with my play. I usually lose 70% and win 30% of my hands. Dealer just has too many blackjacks and doesnt seem to bust as much as it should (like in MG games).

as far as your comment on the "switch"... I was just speculating that a casino owner could hire a few programmers to "install" or manipulate the software to a certain degree, after the software was liscensed to the casino. As far as the leaking argument, i guess it would depend on the amount of internal control a casino has. Maybe only a certain department or certain level has access to the "switch". For example, 10 minutes after I deposited $1000 in one of my casinos, I was contacted immediately to confirm these deposits (for fear of fraud on the casinos end obviously). So your account is always being monitered. Maybe some casinos monitor your play and if you seem like your winning too much, they flip the "switch".

once again, all this is speculation and nobody really knows except the owners.
sooner or later we will be playing blackjack from ceasars las vegas (via web) when our politicians wake up. In the meantime, play at well known groups as I keep saying. Its your best shot for a fair game, thats my advice.
 
HI,cipher:

you can request the IBETNET to adjust the minimum table limit to $1

they likely do it for you

cipher said:
Hi Cynowoo;

It's been awhile since I played at I-Net-Bet but only because of their $5.00 to $200.00 wager window. Its' archaic and I cannot understand why anyone would knowingly limit themselves to a wager window of $5-$200 when there are so many casinos that offer wager windows of $1-$500. It just does not make any sense to me at all. Have a good one.
 
you win 3 hand of $400 ,that's pretty good

What I am afrad of a casino is that constantly eat "big" pass "small"

Under that casino , it's nightmare.


jerseyguy11 said:
well, yes i know ciphers showed limited play, however I played at bo dog 3 times now and each time my results have been about 30% win and 70% loss if i remember right. Im too record screenshots, but I'm going to start doing so soon. To give bodog credit, I did win $1500 one night, primarily due to 3 $400 bets, so you can win. But i just get a bad feeling playing there (btw i play their no download). Ciphers records show 35 losses and 22 wins. That is pretty consistent with my play. I usually lose 70% and win 30% of my hands. Dealer just has too many blackjacks and doesnt seem to bust as much as it should (like in MG games).

as far as your comment on the "switch"... I was just speculating that a casino owner could hire a few programmers to "install" or manipulate the software to a certain degree, after the software was liscensed to the casino. As far as the leaking argument, i guess it would depend on the amount of internal control a casino has. Maybe only a certain department or certain level has access to the "switch". For example, 10 minutes after I deposited $1000 in one of my casinos, I was contacted immediately to confirm these deposits (for fear of fraud on the casinos end obviously). So your account is always being monitered. Maybe some casinos monitor your play and if you seem like your winning too much, they flip the "switch".

once again, all this is speculation and nobody really knows except the owners.
sooner or later we will be playing blackjack from ceasars las vegas (via web) when our politicians wake up. In the meantime, play at well known groups as I keep saying. Its your best shot for a fair game, thats my advice.
 
cynowoo said:
HI,cipher:

you can request the IBETNET to adjust the minimum table limit to $1

they likely do it for you

I have requested this at iNet and they will not do it. I think they might if you are a high roller and giving them a large amount of money every month.
 
Black21Jack said:
I have requested this at iNet and they will not do it. I think they might if you are a high roller and giving them a large amount of money every month.

You are right Black21Jack, I think it was Emily Hanson who mentioned that I-Net-Bet does not alter their wager window no matter how much money a person runs through there.
 
cipher said:
You are right Black21Jack, I think it was Emily Hanson who mentioned that I-Net-Bet does not alter their wager window no matter how much money a person runs through there.

There are other casinos to play if INetBet does not give a damn about their customers' wishes!
 
sw2003 said:
There are other casinos to play if INetBet does not give a damn about their customers' wishes!

sw2003

Firstly let me assure you and all the readers at Casinomeister that at iNetBet we value our customers wishes above all else, hence the reputation we have enjoyed.

We, wherever possible, continually make allowances and exceptions to accommodate our players.

Black21Jack

I am sorry but if we have refused to reduce your minimum to $1 it must have been a misunderstanding, as that option is and always has been available to all our players, please send me a mail at your convenience to manager@inetbet.com and I will attend to it personally for you.

Best regards to all.

Emily Hanson
 
emily_hanson said:
sw2003

Firstly let me assure you and all the readers at Casinomeister that at iNetBet we value our customers wishes above all else, hence the reputation we have enjoyed.

We, wherever possible, continually make allowances and exceptions to accommodate our players.

Black21Jack

I am sorry but if we have refused to reduce your minimum to $1 it must have been a misunderstanding, as that option is and always has been available to all our players, please send me a mail at your convenience to manager@inetbet.com and I will attend to it personally for you.

Best regards to all.

Emily Hanson

Then I assume Emily, that you're willing to increase the wager window as well. In other words can a player choose a wager window of say $1.00 to $1,000.00? Have a good one.
 
I sent an email asking to have the min bet lowered and the max bet changed to $500.00 I was sent an email explaining that it could not be done simply by requesting it, which I took as meaning that it could be done if I was a major bettor. I just have to ask one question, if you are willing to change it why not just have it set to the standard like most other RTG's $1.00 - $500.00?
 
cipher

My apologies if my reply was not clearly explained, I was answerering the post made by Black21jack, directly in response to his refused request to lower the minimum wager to $1.

This choice is available, as per our website:

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However allowing a player to set their own upper limits is not an option.

Regards
Emily Hanson
 
emily_hanson said:
cipher

My apologies if my reply was not clearly explained, I was answerering the post made by Black21jack, directly in response to his refused request to lower the minimum wager to $1.

This choice is available, as per our website:

Old / Expired Link

However allowing a player to set their own upper limits is not an option.

Regards
Emily Hanson

Hi Emily; it appears as though I was a little off-base with my understanding of what I thought I had read. I've attached a copy of the text from an earlier post by Black21jack so as to avoid in further confusion in that regard.

"Many thanks for your mail.

I am afraid that we are unable to simply increase the table limits on tables.

We can lower the table limits as per the wager less option on our website.

I believe the only time that wagering limits may be raised is if a player is a VIP client due to previous play in the casino.

I hope that this information is of some assistance.

Kind Regards

iNetBet Support"

Sorry for any confusion I may have added in this regard. Have a good one.
 

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