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BoDog Cipher strand, Constants vs Yield

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by cipher, Aug 14, 2004.

    Aug 14, 2004
  1. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    The attached Cipher strand is a great example of how the casinos use what they refer to as "random number generators" to determine values.

    Note how the Dealer "constants" (the large runs of house wins) far exceed the Player "yield" (the runs of green player wins) that only exceed two in a row but once. This is exactly why the player must understand the interaction between the Dealer "constants" and the Player "yield."

    Also take note that the player was only successful on double downs on two out of six occasions. But also notice that three of the unsuccessful double downs occured well within the "constants" the red regions. These double downs are what I refer to as "Dummy Double Downs" which are specifically designed to drain the players funds.

    Just remember, if you're not in a green zone or on a previously established pattern don't be betting a lot of money as you're probably going to find yourself right in the middle of "Dummy Double Down" or a "Mirage Split."

    Have a good one.
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2004
  2. Aug 14, 2004
  3. umberto

    umberto Dormant account

    Hey cipher,

    I see that you are always up in the screenshots you post here using your program. Do you play these sessions with real money or with fake money ( for fun ) ?
  4. Aug 14, 2004
  5. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Good to hear from you Umberto;

    Once in a whlie I will track a previously unplayed casino in free play and then real play to see if there is any apparent abnormalities between the free and real play modes. But nearly all my play is real play. Have a good one.
  6. Aug 14, 2004
  7. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    ciper, do u see a different in fun mode and real mode in rtg casinos
    also what do u think about playtec casino

    and have u tried casino365?
  8. Aug 14, 2004
  9. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Bethug, thanks for your interest.

    About the only time that I've noticed a significant difference between the real and free modes is when the cards are not being dealt at the normally fast pace as they usually are dealt. I generally try to keep away from the slow dealt sessions whether it's real or free play.

    As I mentioned earlier this week, I did encounter some very strange play incident to Casino Fortune as well as Miami Beach casino about a year and a half ago. In point of fact I went out of my way to let "Candy" the manager of the Sunny Group as well as the executive offices at Playtech, Inc. know that in my opinion they (Miami Beach and Casino Fortune) were playing games on the backend. I got the standard "BS" email from Candy which included no direct responses to any of a number of very direct questions that were asked of her and there was absolutely no response from Playtech, Inc.

    We did resume tracking some of the Playtech casinos at Cipher Lab last week for a total of about 40 sessions, none of which were played at Miami Beach or Casino Fortune. Those sessions looked pretty decent and so far payments have come in as agreed. Have a good one.
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2004
  10. Aug 14, 2004
  11. jerseyguy11

    jerseyguy11 Dormant account

    new jersey
    very interesting. thanks for posting cipher.
  12. Aug 14, 2004
  13. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    thanks for your info
  14. Aug 14, 2004
  15. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Bethug, you and JerseyGuy are both very welcome.
  16. Aug 19, 2004
  17. cynowoo

    cynowoo Banned User


    Do you have any analysis of Ibetnet , I found it's the harest among those reputable RTGs(phoenician , Nostalgian, Bodog, Shark etc)
  18. Aug 19, 2004
  19. snuf419

    snuf419 Dormant account

    Exactly how do you know when to raise your bets from $1 to $180 and you are sure you will win that hand?

    I am curious. An advantage player like you still not banned by casinos?
    With all due respect, why aren't you playing 24/7 and make $$$ but instead you take the bother and 'share' your system here?
  20. Aug 19, 2004
  21. jerseyguy11

    jerseyguy11 Dormant account

    new jersey
    i played $400 today with bodog. I really dont see how you can win with them. 3/4 hands i lose consistently if not more.
  22. Aug 19, 2004
  23. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Cynowoo;

    It's been awhile since I played at I-Net-Bet but only because of their $5.00 to $200.00 wager window. Its' archaic and I cannot understand why anyone would knowingly limit themselves to a wager window of $5-$200 when there are so many casinos that offer wager windows of $1-$500. It just does not make any sense to me at all. Have a good one.
  24. Aug 19, 2004
  25. Black21Jack

    Black21Jack Dormant account

    Courier driver
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Cipher, do you have any guess as to why this may be? I have noticed that as well. Sometimes RTG is very slow and the winning hands are slim to none.

    I have also noticed that the RTG software has tightened up again just as I posted a couple months ago. I played and the dealer got an unbelievable amount of 21's against my 20's, 20's againts my 19's etc. There was also a lot of dealer Blackjacks and pushes on BJ. Again I must state this is not scientific and just based on my gameplay. I also had a friend deposit in this casino and the exact same thing happened with him, he lost every hand right down to zero out.
  26. Aug 19, 2004
  27. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Snuf419;

    First off, I'm assuming that you're referring to the Bo Dog Cipher strand that I initiated at the start of this thread and specifically at line #25 where a $180 dollar wager was made. Note at line #24 a green block was recorded after a fairly substantial run of red blocks. The accumulated losses carried forward from Line #12 equals $58.00 and rounding off that number we'd have a figure of $60.00.

    Anytime that I see something in a Cipher strand that warrants a wager other than a minimum wager I want that wager to be significant enough to make a substantial amount of money. I call it, making bullets and in this specific case I used a treble factor of 3 times the accumulated losses from my previous loss (in excess of minimums) which translates to $180.00 being wagered at line #25. That particular hand generated $720.00 as a result of two splits and double downs. (see attached strand)

    Also it is very important to understand that I do not get into shoot outs while the trend is running in red blocks. In effect the rule there "is one and done" until such time as I either see a previously established trend or I record a green block.

    CIPHER LAB is fully operational 24/7 and (at times) I almost wish that some
    of these casinos would try to ban my play. But rarely does the casino even know that CIPHER is being used in a session as it is normally being employed for a specific client. With such exceptions as the Phoenician or Nostalgia or even Oasis Casino & Sportsbook. But these are very well funded operations that are not at all concerned about paying out withdrawals.

    Lastly, the only reason that I have followed the path that I have is because of the fact that a gentlemen by the name of Jerry Patterson chose to share his knowledge and techniques in counting the six and eight deck shoe in land based applications. Had Jerry not shared that information I probably wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now. Have a good one.
  28. Aug 19, 2004
  29. snuf419

    snuf419 Dormant account

    The trends of any particular game can be recorded with only a pencil and paper...and everybody can do it. But how do you know for sure that after losing 10 hands in a row and win 1, that the losing streak has indeed ended and the next hand is going to be a winner?

    I am still confused of what exactly your software does. Does it tell you, 'hey man, bet big on the next hand!' ?

    Thanks for the reply.
  30. Aug 19, 2004
  31. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Snuf419;

    I've had more than a few people say they can do the same thing that I do with a pencil and piece of paper. A couple of them have even tried it for a while until they realized that Cipher is able to track and record every action incident to a Blackjack session in realtime and provide that data at the click of a mouse to the player when that data is needed in making critical decisions while playing Blackjack. Have a good one.
  32. Aug 19, 2004
  33. snuf419

    snuf419 Dormant account

    Does it tell you, 'hey man, bet big on the next hand!' ?

    I have read all your posts regarding Cipher but I find no answer to this questoin. Again, with all due respect, until this mystery is solved... it still appears to me that what you are doing is 'chasing losses', just you are lucky enough almost every single time.

    Thank you for your tolerance.

    *Also, does an update to a software ever hurt you?
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2004
  34. Aug 19, 2004
  35. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Snuf419; No problem, I only bet in accordance with the trend analysis as it is being recorded in realtime. But when I do make a significant bet I make damn sure that bet is going to make money if it does turn out to be a win, so that I'm using house money instead of my money to ride out the large runs of red.

    The casinos would love to have people believe that their random number generators do not show patterns. But I'm here to tell you that they are sadly mistaken. You've just got to be able to see the pattern and act upon it.

    Have a good one.
  36. Aug 19, 2004
  37. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Hi Black21Jack; Ya know the majority of the time this slow play stuff starts up after I've hammered the session for awhile. Almost as if their computer is trying to figure out how I play and tailor the values to that type of play.

    I've had a couple of occassions where this slow play stuff jumped up and I made a point of hitting a stiff twenty (with a small wager in play) or something similar and I've had the computer just flat freeze up after that hit.

    We need to hook up on a session and really take a look at the numbers. Have a good one.
  38. Aug 19, 2004
  39. snuf419

    snuf419 Dormant account

    I noticed a lot of patterns in RTG and I myself have been making some money off them (of course the amounts are shameful compared to yours). Bet sizes, speed of the game, cards dealt (I also reached the same conclusion regarding your seed and dump 'theory'), streaks, even time between hitting the deal button are all related to the outcome of the day.

    I don't have any hard evidence but RTG is beatable.

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