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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by skiny, Sep 19, 2010.

    Sep 19, 2010
  1. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    After 2 deposits at Bodog casino I've had the worst payout percentage by far than any other RTG casino, in fact probably than any other casino using any software I've ever seen. 2 deposits in a row totaling roughly 50 dollars wagered down to zero almost entirely on 20 cent wagers and not a single bonus feature anywhere to be seen. Very few hits of more than 2x my wager and almost all zeros. My RTP according to the casino over both deposits is less than 50%. Neither deposit lasted more than 10 minutes. I played all the games that I've played for years using this software with the lowest possible variance. Nothing helped.

    My conversations with support were less than fruitful. After talking to three different people it became quite obvious that support at this casino consists of a single text file that everyone copies and pastes from. I had to ask a dozen different ways if this casino thought this was acceptable and in the end I was finally told that it was. Basically I just got a "tough luck" attitude. I did get told that if I wagered over $5000 I would be eligible for 5 bucks next week as compensation. Of course to wager $5000 I would have to deposit about $3500. Not really worth the 5 bucks.

    My recommendation, leave RTG alone. Use some other software. If you must play RTG then play where the casino and support are more player friendly and are at least a little concerned that a player can't make a deposit last more than about 8 minutes. There are many RTG casinos with better bonuses and better staff.
     
  2. Sep 19, 2010
  3. cheetahwind

    cheetahwind Dormant account

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    Wind Blade Maker
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    Iowa
    Actually if you were to compare there software to all the other RTG software casinos out there. It's not really RTG anymore.
    It's bodogs own mix of different software providers to make there own casino software. This has been discussed in another thread. So basically to compare it to other RTG based brands isn't really fair honestly.
    Personally I already had one great experience with BoDog. Deposited I think like 4 times at most. Never made a deposit above $30 and ended up getting a rather nice pay day out of them. The check arrived in a matter of days and everything seemed to work just fine.
    Remember when gambling online. Even though you think your RTP should be in par with something around 95% or better. You have to remember the software doesn't have make a 95% return to you personally. As long as someone along the line gets a better return on there investment. Then the software is right in line with what its suppose to do.
    Anyways, not trying to defend bodog in anyway or form. Becky can pretty much stand on her own, but remember bodog doesn't use RTG software. They have purchased the code and rewritten it to there liking versus using the standard cookie cutter solution.
     
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  4. Sep 19, 2010
  5. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Well, that's all fine and dandy but how is anyone supposed to know any of this? RTG shouldn't be letting anyone rewrite the code. When you play RTG games you should be playing RTG games.

    I remember when RTG almost guaranteed a few hours play on a small deposit. I rarely withdrew anything but at least I got to play for a while. For some reason my old brain keeps remembering that and every few months I come back to it. Then I get reminded that now if you get 15 minutes out of a small deposit you're lucky. So far Bodog is the worst. 50 bucks got me about 16 minutes worth of 20 cent spins.

    They also tried to tack on a 10% bonus on my first deposit automatically which would have given my deposit and bonus a 15X WR. Took me a half hour to get that removed before I started playing. In fact my first deposit took about an hour from the time I went out to load my card, made the deposit, got that silly 10% bonus removed and started playing. Then 8 minutes later I was broke.

    The second time it happened I asked support what's with the 30% RTP on these games? They told me my payout percentage was 49% not 30 and it's all random so tough luck.

    By the way, I uninstalled the casino. Tough luck.
     
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  6. Sep 19, 2010
  7. weplant

    weplant Meister Member

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    napa, ca
    I have unistalled Bodog several times. I reinstalled them because there was a nice post about them..However, my experience was just like yours, Skiny. I deposited 50.00 and it lasted about 12 minutes..Tried again, this time I tried 'their' games, that lasted about 9 minutes...So, off to the garbage can again, and this time it is staying there...:(
     
  8. Sep 19, 2010
  9. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

    Location:
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    I think you all have save me from depositing there, ever!
     
  10. Sep 19, 2010
  11. XOXOXOXOXOX

    XOXOXOXOXOX Let em spin... PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    O Canada!
    skiny, are u referring to canadain bodog?
    i did not check it presently but when i downloaded it the first time, it looked extremely boring. I read many good things about non canadian bodog though.

    also i may be wrong but i think i heard that bodog changed the back-end so it not RTG any more. again, not sure.
     
  12. Sep 19, 2010
  13. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    Freelance Designer
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    If I closed every account I didn't get playtime at after 2 deposits I wouldn't have any casinos left to play! Which might be a good thing actually! ;)

    My last few deposits at ClubWorld, iNetBet, Jackpot Capital, and multiple MGs have all been eaten pretty quickly. Ray won a $75 top prize in a tourney at 32Red and played the whole thing in a bunch of different games without once getting ahead or getting a bonus round in any of them. Sometimes it just sucks, it's gambling.
     
  14. Sep 19, 2010
  15. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    I don't know the difference. I got the link from the top of the accredited list.

    Ya, but it never used to suck for so long or so often.
     
  16. Sep 19, 2010
  17. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Edmonton Canada
    I hear you. But actually last summer was kind of the same - for me anyhow. Then in the fall and winter I started recuping a bit. Hopefully that will happen this year too. And if it does, next year I'll remember and just quit playing over the summer. :p
     
  18. Sep 19, 2010
  19. XOXOXOXOXOX

    XOXOXOXOXOX Let em spin... PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Software developer
    Location:
    O Canada!
    that's funny because its exactly the same for me.

    damn it, i did not have any cashouts from rtg since april or may. i dont play there often any more but still hoping that one day they will be fun again.
     
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  20. Sep 20, 2010
  21. BodogBecky

    BodogBecky Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Bodog Global Brand Ambassador
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    Hey there, I just wanted explain the Bodog software situation so everyone is clear:

    The casino software licensed to Bodog brand licensees is no longer accurately described as the “RTG Casino” product. BodogBrand acquired the rights to the RTG Casino source code in early 2007 and, since then, the product has been significantly enhanced and has undergone continuous development. Today, the casino platform licensed to the Bodog brand licensees is effectively a wholly proprietary product.

    Thank you,
    Becky
     
  22. Sep 21, 2010
  23. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    The Bodog software situation was clear after my second 8 minute session.

    And you realize that anyone who visits your site and sees these slot games is going to think "Oh, this is RTG."

    With apparently a 49% RTP.
     
  24. Sep 22, 2010
  25. BodogBecky

    BodogBecky Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Bodog Global Brand Ambassador
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    FYI, the Bodog Casnio RTP hovers between 97.8% to 98.5%. There is no reason for any Casino to offer an unfair product as the house edge all but guarantees a daily profit for the Casino no matter which clients win or lose.

    Thanks,
    Becky
     
  26. Sep 22, 2010
  27. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    To say that there's no reason for any online casino to offer an unfair product is pretty obvious. Anyone with any sense knows this. The question is, why do so many casinos do it?

    Not just an unfair product, unfair terms and conditions, ridiculous wage requirements on bonuses, endless wait times for withdrawals, excuses to void winnings... This list could go on forever but we all know that with the house edge, in the long run the casino can't lose. So what is the reason for casinos to sting players every which way they can?

    Lack of funds to honor commitments? Greed? No desire to wait for the long run? No concern for client loyalty? Your guess is as good as mine.

    what I do know is that all of the most popular gaming softwares have become increasingly harder to play. Deposits that used to last days started lasting hours and deposits that used to last hours are now lasting minutes.

    Maybe people remember things a little different than I do but I don't recall a few years ago having to make 3 or 4 deposits just to hit one bonus feature. Now I'm not saying 3 years ago I was able to make withdrawals or make any kind of profit from online gambling but I was certainly able to finish my cigarette before I had a box in my face asking me if I wanted to deposit more money because I lost the deposit I made 8 minutes ago on 20 cent spins.

    You can all claim to pay 97% if you like but I have no idea where the hell the other 48% is going because it's not coming to me.
     
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  28. Sep 23, 2010
  29. sticaz

    sticaz Banned User

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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
    I do not have a thank you botton
     
  30. Sep 23, 2010
  31. cheetahwind

    cheetahwind Dormant account

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    My only argument to this whole theory and then I'll step out of this conversation.
    If what your proposing is true, that ALL players should get a 97 to 98% return on there play. Then there wouldn't be any BIG winners. We'd all just have small returns with no actual wins. What your trying to propose here is that everyone should gamble to loose and have no winners what so ever.
    To me then gambling wouldn't be fun if that was the case. So sure your getting a 48% return that way, someone like myself or the joe down the street. Can win a bigger jackpot or even yourself some day when someone else is having a shitty day. With gambling your never going to truly get a reasonable return for your investment. I will admit yes, there are days I can't make a deposit last more than 15 minutes. This is even low ball betting, and other days I can make it turn around for hours and hours on end. But if we expect to have winners. We have to have the loosers in the industry.
    I find a flaw in everyone theories these days that EVERYONE has to have a 98% return otherwise the casino is crooked. Like I will reiterate. If everyone had a 98% return on there investment. EVERYONE would be loose and there wouldn't be any WINNERS. The casino would continue profiting and never have to pay out. Just because there are a handful of sour balls who are always looking for that true 98% return on there just so for every 100 spins they loose 2% of there initial investment.
    Yes play time is important, but so is the winning factor. It's part of gambling, but if you can't expect your going to have dry runs. Then why gamble?
     
  32. Sep 23, 2010
  33. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Left Hungary
    Your argument as you call it has been beaten, dissected, torn apart every which way and it still comes up to the fact that the casinos are NOT paying out as much as they were, the casinos CAN and ARE "enhancing" the software to benefit _____ (put your choice here)...the games that used to pay out hundreds on a bonus round with a bet of $2 now pays out pennies on the dollar..it now takes a few hundred dollars investment for a return of 25 % on a bonus round if not less..

    Yes, there are winners and losers...but at this time, it seems the only winners are the casinos themselves because there are still players that do not believe what they are reading or experiencing or hearing, even when the casino rep themselves says "yes, we can change the source code"...I mean, how much clearer can you get on the games being CHANGED, adjusted , tweaked or whatever you want to call it.

    I am not arguing the point, I am MAKING a point...as long as players accept this kind of treatment and keep trying to claim "all is well", then they deserve just what it is they will get in the long run...casinos are NOT giving a fair game anymore...this is MY opinion...make your own judgement but do not try to tell some that all is well...because all is NOT well..and the sooner others decide this and stop feeding the bottomless well, the sooner we can get back to normal again ....but as long as there are people with your mind set..the longer the lousy play will be drug out by MOST casinos until all is sucked dry...and the only winner as I said will be the casino...JMO...

    .
     
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  34. Sep 23, 2010
  35. cheetahwind

    cheetahwind Dormant account

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    Well that's been the argument of any casino land or online. Even with the audit trails, there no actually way to prove anyone these days is getting a fair game. It's all about trust. Bryan I would assume has spent hours and hours if not days. Trying to make sure everyone is getting a fair game on the sites he endorsed. If you don't trust an online casino, then why play there? I mean honestly seriously? I don't care if your sick, elderly, disabled, taking care of someone who's in need of constant attention. If you really feel your getting stiffed then why bother playing?
    While were on the topic, if there was groups for brick and mortar casinos. Who do actually get audits that are published. They'd all be publishing the same slander. Wild Cherry Slot Machine, the Black Jack Tables, blah, blah, blah are tight, never pay. Were getting screwed and rarely anyone wins.
    Yes casinos are out to make money. Trust me, that's why there hundreds of thousands of groups against casinos in the first place. They create a hunger for greed, because everyone thinks they can walk into a casino. Get playtime, and hopefully walk out a winner. I rarely know of any player who can actually beat any casino. Without cheating. As far as I can tell. The only true game in the whole gaming world that can't be torqued with. Because the casino is making a pure profit from it and it's with the players money not the casinos. Is poker. Otherwise everything is as you'd call rigged beyond belief. Just so these guys can run there web sites, offer you your drinks, give you your rooms. What you think these guys just wanna keep shelling out cash so you can win?
    I know I"m still fairly new to online gaming, but rest assured. I'm still getting the same time and same amounts of payouts. As I did 4 to 5 years ago. I'm not making big deposits, and not withdrawing large amounts, but still I manage to find the cash out button.
    I just believe the reason why everyone is cranky these days. Is because people aren't spending as much as they used to on pleasure. Just because money is tight. Factories have shut down, jobs have been eliminated. So the economy sucks. So what do people do? Turn to gambling to help get them out of that deep hole of debt they've created themselves. Well gambling sites have felt the pinch too. Hence why many of closed, consolidated, or been sold off to other brands.
    I know I said I'd exit this thread on my last post, but tell where else do you have a win flushed in under an hour, approved, and ready for payment. You sure as hell aren't going to find it with any RTG, Rival, Vegas Tech, BetonSoft or Microgaming site. Bodog and 3dice have both provided these services in under an hour at both places. Yes they may seem tight, but at least when you do win. You betcha finding that cashout button should be easy, and finding a support staff that's willing to pay you out quickly and efficiently will be there to.
    Let the slander continue.
     
  36. Sep 23, 2010
  37. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Canada
    More and more people don't. Many of the ones that do are depositing less and less. Which could be a large part of the reason the remaining players seem to be winning less and less often. And just as it was a long climb up the hill for online casinos as a whole to gain as many players as they have it's a long slide back down to none. It'll take time but it seems the snowball is rolling.


    I live near two B&M casinos. I do hear it. And the same casinos that used to be so packed every night of the week that I could barely walk through them, I can now walk up to pretty much any game I want on a Saturday night and have a seat. Part of it is the economy, part of it is that if people aren't winning, they'll quit going. It takes time but people do get tired of losing.


    Most people aren't complaining they don't cash out anymore. Most people know how rare it was to cash out in the past. The point is there isn't even any entertainment value anymore. I don't care if you're depositing 20, 50 or 500 bucks you should not be going broke in 7 or 8 minutes even once. You certainly should be doing it almost every time you make a deposit.

    Gambling still relies on luck but luck relies on odds. No matter how bad the odds are there will always be people who can claim they cash out often enough or they get good playtime but most of us can't get hit with lightning 3 times a week. We just can't beat the odds.

    You're suggesting that everyone who is tired of dumping deposits into a bottomless pit are all trying to gamble their way out of debt?

    It's not hard to make quick payments when you don't make very many of them. If you took away 3/4 of our bills we'd probably all be a lot quicker to jump on the couple we have left too.
     
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  38. Sep 23, 2010
  39. skilletsteve

    skilletsteve Dormant account

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    metro detroit - michigan
    I actually signed up for this forum to put in my two cents on this. I just recently got into online gambling and bodog is the first casino i've deposited at. I'm not much of a slots player and just play table games, but I must say i was thrilled with the experience at bodog. I quickly lost my first $20 deposit (just testing the waters) and then doubled my second deposit (for $50) and received my $100 check in just a few days. support was great, the software was fun, and i even made a few dollars.
     

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