Bodog Bug Found :( Someone pls confirm

[BubbleG]

Hello support

acc no ******

Please look into this issue urgently.

I have been playing bonus deuces wild on your website and when the
problem first occurred I was unsure that what i'd just witnessed
actually happened.

I hit a 4 of a kind, no biggie on this game and decided to double. The
game gave me a deuce, Great, I cant loose only push. WTF I lost!! In
frustration I decided to double the next win, again I got a deuce and
again I lost.

This is not right! The deuces wild aspect of the game has no bearing on
the double or at least shouldn't have. Please look into this asap. In my
minds eye the game now owes me minimum 25$ as the least I could have had
returned had I hit 2 pushes. Personally with the odds of this being very
slim the game I feel owes me 50$ just because of this error in the
program.

After this I started playing in play mode to verify my findings and
again this error was confirmed. This is not good!

I eagerly await your response and clarification on this error.

James

 

[amatrine]

Re

In the video poker games, when you double up, the deuce is considered a 2.

Ama

 

[KasinoKing]

Your mail / post is not very clear.. What card came up that didn't beat the deuce both times..

 

[BubbleG]

Your mail / post is not very clear.. What card came up that didn't beat the deuce both times..

I don't understand, Whats not clear? Every card beats a deuce except another deuce which would push.

I hit a 4 of a kind, no biggie on this game and decided to double. The
game gave me a deuce, Great, I cant loose only push. WTF I lost!!

I lost to a 7. I dont remember what I lost too the first time it happened. Whats the difference, I lost on a Video Poker double with a deuce upcard! A physical impossibility or at least so I thought...

Please try the game (Bonus deuces wild) on www.bodog.com, the same error occurs during play money games, possibly on every variation of * deuces * double every win until it gives you a deuce as an upcard and you will lose.

 

[BubbleG]

Well fuk me backwards!!

This was there response..... Very quick, thats good but wtf are they on!

Thank you for contacting Bodog Casino Customer Service. In Video Poker, playing Bonus Deuces Wild, a 2 will still be wild
and will count as the highest card. We have reviewed your Video Poker logs and see that in the most recent hands of Bonus
Deuces Wild in which you chose to double, the Dealer Card as a 2.

The most recent hand that you doubled on saw the Dealer receiving a 2C and the Player receiving an 8D and the hand was
correctly settled as a Loss. In the previous hand that you doubled on saw the Dealer receiving a 2D and the Player receiving
a 5D and the hand was also correctly settled as a loss. We do see that previous to this at approximately 7:25 Pm EST you
made the decision to double and the Dealer was dealt a 9D and the Player was dealt a 2S and the hand was correctly settled
as a win for the Player.

If you ever encounter a problem or have any questions that require an immediate response please do not hesitate to contact
our 24/7 Casino Customer Service Team at 1-866-234-1324 or casino@bodog.com.

How can a deuce be wild and count as the highest card. This makes no sense to me at all..... I've never heard anything like this before

 

[realwtfsup]

In the video poker games, when you double up, the deuce is considered a 2.

Ama

She is right

 

[spearmaster]

That's bad.

The double-up game should be using a standard deck of cards with standard ranks. It should not be taking on the properties of the video poker game which launched it.

If this is stated in the rules of the double-up game, then I guess there isn't much that can be done about it - but I would highly suggest they think about reverting to a normal card rank system which everyone understands irrespective of the version of VP that launched it.

 

[BubbleG]

Thanks Spear, you seem to be the only one who understands where I'm coming from.

As per their rules regarding the game, it would seem it has always been this was. In Bodogs variation the card rankings during the double up are 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 J Q K A 2. The deuce is certainly not wild anymore just the highest card during the double.

This wouldn't have even been an issue had it been clear on the double up that this was in fact the case.

 

[BubbleG]

How? Can a card be wild, and
be the highest. By the very nature of the term "deuces Wild" the fact
that it is a deuce never changes. If what your saying is correct then it
is a Joker or something completely unrelated to a standard deck of
cards.

The joker in pai gow poker for example behaves as either an Ace or a
fill up for a straight or flush, it is not a wild card in the same sense
and not treated as such.

Going of subject slightly but still in my mind relevant, are you saying
that the joker in the game joker poker appears in the deck should you
choose to double?

We are talking about deuces wild video poker here. In all my years of
playing this game I have never come across a variation that takes the
"wild" into the double up. This is something completely new to me and
I'm a VERY experienced gambler, both live and on-line. Perhaps you would
consider makes these weird variations to the standard rules clear on the
same page as the double up game.

Regards

James

and their response, again lighting quick.

Thank you for contacting Bodog Casino Customer Service. In the game of Bonus Deuces Wild the 2 is considered the highest
card in the Bonus round and this rule has been consistent throughout the time we have offered the game. We certainly
appreciate your feedback regarding your experience playing Bonus Deuces Wild. We will be forwarding your suggestion
regarding posting this information directly on the Bonus Deuces Wild section of the website to the appropriate party, and
hopefully this information will be updated in the near future.

If you ever encounter a problem or have any questions that require an immediate response please do not hesitate to contact
our 24/7 Casino Customer Service Team at 1-866-234-1324 or casino@bodog.com.

Regards,
Casino Customer Service

 

[Simmo!]

Yeah thats not right - a 2 is a 2, not an Ace - anything should beat it. Is this standard across all RTG casinos? Although that said, it doesn't affect the odds as you are theoretically just as likely to hit one as the dealer.

 

[spearmaster]

Simmo's right, the odds don't change. And if BoDog says that this has been consistent ever since they offered the game, and the rules state that a 2 in Deuces Wild is high even during the doubling round, then that's fair enough. However, I think that they need to revert to a standard set of cards for the doubling game, so if anything this would amount to a suggestion to the developers.

If, however, the rules for the double game do NOT specifically state that a 2 is high, then you have a case. They cannot claim that one must naturally assume that a 2 is high during doubling when playing Deuces Wild.

 

[spearmaster]

Well, the RTG rules come from a single centralized website.

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Gotta admit it looks funny, as it specifically states the rank incorrectly with respect to Deuces Wild - but it *does* state that in the doubling game, wild 2's are high.

Card Ranks
Cards are ranked in order from highest to lowest: Ace, King, Queen, Jack, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, and 2. Cards of different suits and the same rank are equal. In the Double or Nothing Bonus Round, wild 2's rank higher than all other cards.

 

[tennis_balls]

l love the irony of spearmaster questioning the casino on this one.

nasty old can of worms officially re-opened

 

[dealer wins]

In Las Vegas the Deuces Wild VP also has the 2s as wild cards when doubling up. I actually prefer it especially when you hit a 2 when the dealer has an ace!!

 

[spearmaster]

l love the irony of spearmaster questioning the casino on this one.

Where's the irony? LOL...

In Las Vegas the Deuces Wild VP also has the 2s as wild cards when doubling up. I actually prefer it especially when you hit a 2 when the dealer has an ace!!

That's news to me - but then I don't normally double down when playing VP in Vegas because I usually play 50-100 hand VP.

 

[BubbleG]

In Las Vegas the Deuces Wild VP also has the 2s as wild cards when doubling up. I actually prefer it especially when you hit a 2 when the dealer has an ace!!

That makes no sense?? I have also never seen this in Las Vegas.

Either way the scenario you talk about is EXACTLY the same as the dealer showing a K and you hitting the A to win. Now if the dealer shows an A you can hit a deuce to win. If the dealer shows a deuce you can only push with another deuce otherwise you lose.

If the deuce was truly wild from a player perspective, even hitting another deuce would be a win for the player because dealer deuce would have a natural value of 2, if you then turn a deuce assign it any value from 3-A means a win for the player and if the dealer shows an A turning any other A or deuce would push becuse this is technically the highest card in the deck, even if deuces were wild there is nothing it could be to beat an A.

The argument is based on high cards being of value in the main game but they are not. This is not pai gow and we dont get paid for any number of high cards or beating the dealer. The deuces in this game are truly wild and convert any pair to 3 of a kind or fill up straights and flushes with 2 X deuces meaning both deuces in the hand are assigned different values they do not need to be the same.

If its always been this way on RTG's I have no problem as such, just that this rule is not made clear on the double screen.

 

[1819]

i have played many land based vp games where the 2 is highest in the double down round. makes no difference to me. the outcome of a double down round is predetermined. doest matter what card you pick or what the value of the card flopped is. there could be pictures of naked ladies on the card and it makes no difference. that is why you can "beat" a king 3 times in a row then "lose" to a 4 with a 3. just random luck unlike the other part of the game where skill is involved.

 

[bpb]

i have played many land based vp games where the 2 is highest in the double down round. makes no difference to me. the outcome of a double down round is predetermined. doest matter what card you pick or what the value of the card flopped is. there could be pictures of naked ladies on the card and it makes no difference. that is why you can "beat" a king 3 times in a row then "lose" to a 4 with a 3. just random luck unlike the other part of the game where skill is involved.

This statement is simply incorrect.

 

[1819]

This statement is simply incorrect.

you are telling me that the double down feature is not predetermined? i would like to hear your thoughts.

 

[winbig]

you are telling me that the double down feature is not predetermined? i would like to hear your thoughts.

This has been discussed, as well as proven, in the past. MG was the most blatant about showing this - if you hovered your mouse over your balance, it would show whether or not your double was a win or loss.

 

[1819]

This has been discussed, as well as proven, in the past. MG was the most blatant about showing this - if you hovered your mouse over your balance, it would show whether or not your double was a win or loss.

correct i remember that. also i have been playing vp for over 20 years. i have many friends in the casino industry as well as a tech that worked for igt. he, along with many other techs i have spoken with, tells me this is the case with landbased machines. i always assumed it would be the same online and the mg glitch confirmed it.

 

[happygobrokey]

i like this kind of philosophical debate. a wild card is used to act as a different card in the deck, and as such a 2 should tie an ace. a hand of A222K would not outrank AAA2K if they faced off.

and if used literally as in the game, the deuce could only pair with one of the cards dealt in the 5 cards used to determine the double outcome, as the deuce would by default make a pair rather than render itself as an ace-high, right? or if the dealer had a deuce and the player chose an ace from the remaining cards, and two of the unchosen cards matched (for example [D]2 7 7 Q [P]A), the dealer's deuce would become a third 7 and the player would outrank the dealer.

so my belief is that the deuce, if it always ranks as special and above an ace in the doubling game, is not the same as saying the deuce behaves as it does in the vp game. and as such, it is somewhat misleading to have the 2 as special in the doubling game, and instead standard unmarked 2's should be used and ranked lowest beneath the 3 to make things as clear as possible.

as a byproduct, i've lost support in a joker beating an ace in the doubling games for joker poker as well, though it seems more intuitive to support jokers beating all because a joker would beat an ace in a casual house game of war/cut for high card. also since it can play as a fifth ace in poker, and thus can exist as an unsuited trump of sorts or at the least a duplicate of a card in play. but on the other hand, afaik, JQKA suited plus a joker wouldn't beat another royal with the joker outranking the ace for a super-royal.

bottom line, take the wilds out of doubling games... except the joker in wager21's double'up'n'win vp, where two pair or better in the doubling game hand triggers a bonus game!