Black Widow/Grand Banks Playtech payment issue

I hope the OPA will vote to remove these guys from approved status. If they ran out of money, the least they could have done was to admit who was rightfully owned money, and to have made some sort of payment arrangements.

Instead the lied, lied and lied some more.
Every excuse on the list to cheat players.

At least when Pyramid had financial problems, they had the guts to admit it publicly on a message board. This at least showed they were willing to step up to the plate, and eventually pay everyone rightfully owed. A smart move.

Black Widow and Grand Banks tried repeatedly to scam customers. They accused numerous players of violating thier terms when these players did nothing wrong. They lied to thier customers. They lied to the OPA. And even if they did eventually pay these people 3 months later, it was done because thier hands were tied.

Why would the OPA put thier seal of approval on such nonsense. It shouldn't. This is one big reason the OPA shouldn't be doing payout verification for all Playtech sites. Playtech couldn't care didly squat about players ripped off by BW and Grand Banks. A friend of mine wrote to tech@playtech.com and then finally got the email address to a supervisor at Playtech who basically said that Playtech would eventually help after 90 days went by, but no promises would be made that the player would get even 1 red cent.

Shame, shame.
And yet the OPA has the % payout seal on these sites. What good is a % payout when the player doesn't get paid.

98% of 0 is still 0.
Where is Mike Craig?
 
Funny Grand Banks terms (from
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All deposits of $500 or greater will be audited for fraudulent activity on the account. Activity such as requesting a bonus not offered to the player and using an industry-banned strategy such as Martingale, Anti-Martingale, dAlembert, Regression will be considered fraudulent activity.

Do these systems work after all??
 
What a load of crap. Martingale industrybanned??? Martingale is what keeps the industry alive..

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Martingale, Anti-Martingale, dAlembert, Regression will be considered fraudulent activity.

This is silly. The people at Grand Banks can't possibly be ignorant enough to believe these systems work. This is nothing more than an attempt by them to come up with some type of clause to keep player winnings.

Can you imagine any B&M casino ever using such and excuse to keep a player's winnings? No, of course not, it would never happen. As tortex has stated, these systems are what feed the casino's coffers.

This is just another example of how ignorant online casino owners are.
 
The reason for banning martingale is they don't have the capital to absorb all the small wins that it creates, waiting for the large loss. Also, I suspect that the Playtech software is in fact a bit flawed and that a martinagle strategy at BJ could be highly effective if played during the right session.
 
Come on! They can absorb all the player losses can't they?
With regards to being flawed: You're basically saying that martingaling is a problem to them because the software isn't random? Is this substantiated by the results from The Online Casino Analyzer?
 
The reason for banning martingale is they don't have the capital to absorb all the small wins that it creates

Well, if they are short on capital, they should not be in the casino business. Joints like this need to be run out of business. There is far too much of this BS in the online gaming industry.

I still think it is just a CYA type clause they've added to their T&C's so they can steal the winnings of any player who happens to dance between the raindrops and win big.

Is Grand Banks an OPA member? If so, they should be kicked out. There statement shows how incredibly ignorant they are.
 
My opinion of their BJ is based on the play I have seen, not solid evidence as the OCA software does not currently support Playtech BJ. Our results on VP where we do collect data though are interesting... More on those at a later date.
 
I see Grand Banks has now taken that ridiculous "rule" down....as poster Caruso at WOL says, amazing how quickly an "industry banned" rule can be abandoned!!!
 
These casinos will be participating in an affiliate promotion in which the casino will not be making much money for the next two months.

The math is not good here, kids.

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What a joke. I have been trying to get $200 out of them for the last 2 months now (as a player). Initially they answered my emails, promising that I should receive it soon.. bla bla bla.. Then they asked me to run a promo for them and when I told them that I would not promote them until I see my winnings, all communication stopped. Emails are being ignored etc. - (you guys know the game)- the usual scenario before a casino goes to the dogs.

What a bunch of losers. Anybody still dealing with them should do so with extreme caution!
 
Welcome, Peralis :)

Interesting revelation there. They tried to get me to do an affiliate deal, knowing fully well that I would only consider paid advertising, and only after problems were solved...

Needless to say, we haven't taken them on.
 

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