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Black Jack Averages??

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by sandie51, Mar 24, 2004.

    Mar 24, 2004
  1. sandie51

    sandie51 Dormant account

    On average how many hands should/could be won per 100 hands. I was doing really really well at this casino, but for the last 3 weeks or so this is how it has been. Perhaps this is normal and I was just extremely lucky the past months with thenm and my luck ran out!!!

    This is a Micro Gaming Casino, so I went through 15 pages of 100 hands on each page and these are my results.

    - --- won lost push
    pg1 --- 36 55 9
    pg2 --- 36 56 8
    pg3 --- 44 51 5
    pg4 --- 43 50 7
    pg5 --- 46 49 5
    pg6 --- 41 54 5
    pg7 --- 39 48 13
    pg8 --- 43 52 5
    pg9 --- 52 43 5
    pg10 -- 30 61 9
    pg11 -- 36 54 10
    pg12 -- 43 49 8
    pg13 -- 47 46 7
    pg14 -- 37 53 10

    And then my last page is only 57 hands, I was betting $100.00 per hand:

    pg15 -- 16 33 8

    Maybe its just me being paranoid, but it seems I cannot win at this casino at all anymore, and this is after losing over $10,000 in the last 3 weeks.

    So, do ya think this is normal. Was I just very lucky before these last 3 weeks.

    Thanks in advance for your replys.
  2. Mar 25, 2004
  3. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Well Microgaming is known for having the 'invincible' blackjack dealer. I'm more surprised when I win there than when I lose, lol.

    Out of curiousity, which casino was it?
  4. Mar 25, 2004
  5. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    Ideally, we want to know how many dollars you would have lost if you had played $1/hand.

    To do this, it's not enough just to know the W/L/T. We also need to know how many BJ's you had and what the W/L/T was for your doubled hands.

    And it would be nice to know how many splits there are in addition to the House Advantage of the game (or the rules of it).

    For the Atlantic City game, the Wiz says you should expect 43.31% Wins, 47.89% Loss and 8.80% Ties.

    My best guess is, assuming an average win is 1.22 units and an average loss is 1.11 units, you were around 1 in 170 unlucky.
  6. Mar 25, 2004
  7. pooter1

    pooter1 Dormant account

    Clayman or anyone - is there a program that will keep track of online things like this instead of doing it manually? I would love to be able to start up a program that will keep track of your win/loss/cards/dollar amounts real time while you play.

  8. Mar 25, 2004
  9. hhcfreebie

    hhcfreebie Dormant account

    Try Excel....
  10. Mar 25, 2004
  11. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Would anyone care to do a chi squared test? I did one and my result are off the charts. I would like confirmation of my calculations. Btw, Sandie51, are you sure you followed the correct strategy for whichever version of BJ you were playing?
    jpm: I have played a lot at MG casinos, but I have never met the "invincible" dealer.
  12. Mar 25, 2004
  13. sandie51

    sandie51 Dormant account

    Absolutely, I keep the wizs BS chart right in front of me if ever in doubt. I believe this is why I did so well in the past. When I say I won, I am saying I won thousands of dollars. I played many many many hours and now feel this is not the same game.

    JPM: I was not going to say which casino, however I just tried again with the same results, so I won't be going back. The casino is: WILD JACK CASINO.
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2004
  14. Mar 25, 2004
  15. sandie51

    sandie51 Dormant account

    Well, this did not take long. I just went to check my play for the last hour and it would not take my password. I kept trying, did not work. So just to be sure I was using the right password I logged into the casino. Or at least I tried. It states:

    The casino has refused to log you on
    Your User Account has been LOCKED

    Hmmmm, how do they know I am the same person who posted this?

    Never, ever been locked from a casino before.
  16. Mar 25, 2004
  17. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    I'm probably not doing it right since I get a mundane 1 in 86 chance.

    OBSERVED 589.0 754.0 114.0 1,457.0
    THEORETICAL 631.0 697.8 128.2 1,457.0
    CHI-SQUARE 2.7990 4.5334 1.5762 8.909 0.011628195605167

    I used the above-mentioned %'s to derive the theoretical totals.

    As you know, I always have alot more faith in your numbers than mine!
  18. Mar 25, 2004
  19. sandie51

    sandie51 Dormant account

    It is now unlocked!!!
  20. Mar 25, 2004
  21. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    Out of curiosity, which game were you playing? Is this on the new Viper software?

    Love to hear more as to why they locked you out. Were you playing with bonuses? Do they owe you money currently? Were you a big net winner, despite your recent losses?
  22. Mar 25, 2004
  23. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Sounds like someone was screwing with you, lol. You sure it wasn't just a stuck caps-lock key?
  24. Mar 25, 2004
  25. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    I guess you're lucky then, he must have been on a break. He is the usual dealer on their regular (european I think) BJ game with one card, no peek to the dealer. Pulls 5 card 21s out of thin air when you've got a 20 and he's got a 5 or 6, gives you a 3,4 or 5 when you double down on 10 or 11. You know the guy!

  26. Mar 25, 2004
  27. sandie51

    sandie51 Dormant account

    Don't think it was my keyboard, it's fairly new.

    I played Vegas Strip Blackjack. I believe it is one of the Viper games ( not positive)

    I never play bonuses, at any casino. I don't like the T&C of them. This way when I am ready to cash out, I can.

    No, they owe me no money. (Except for my deposits, lol)

    Yes, I am ahead with them. It's just too bad things turned. I should have stopped a few weeks ago with this casino.
  28. Mar 25, 2004
  29. gfkostas

    gfkostas Ex-Bonus Whore

    Based on my experience I can't never win even in practise mode at MG casinos.The delear seems more or less unbeatable.I don't feel comfortable playing there.At harrods casino though im getting a really fair play.I'm not winning but i can 'feel' it that the game is fair same for cryptologic.
  30. Mar 26, 2004
  31. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    I played just over a 1000 hands today on autoplay. The net result is down 5 units, almost exactly the expected value. I was up about 25 units one time, then down 20 and climbed back. Maybe your luck is different.
  32. Mar 26, 2004
  33. sandie51

    sandie51 Dormant account

    Well, I maybe eating crow now. I know, I said I was not going back, but today I received the usual $100 in comps as I have every Thursday and I won!!! It felt like the old game was back. So, maybe it was just pure bad luck the last three weeks. I will play there some more and see what happens. I really liked this casino, so I hope it turns out good. Now, I realize one cannot win every session, but for those who were interested I will let you know how it works out for me. (fingers crossed)
    If I were wrong, I would be the first to admit it.
  34. Mar 26, 2004
  35. hhcfreebie

    hhcfreebie Dormant account

    Don't you know you are supposed to loose?
    For every $100 you wagered you should and will loose 50 cents. I played JoB and BJ normally so the house edge are at 0.5%. This monthly along I wagered around 35k on different casinos and I am down around $100. I considered it my lucky month cause it's fairly easy to loose more than $300.
    I, too have never met the invicible dealer. Since I am a low roller, I don't know what will happen if I bet more than $5.
    Play to loose, be happy if you win. That's how to make gambling fun IMO.
  36. Mar 26, 2004
  37. bewitch

    bewitch Dormant account

    Home, sweet home
    Agree!!! :p But I hate to loose money.... Human nature?
  38. Mar 26, 2004
  39. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Pennsylvania, USA
    Apparently in thinking MG is fair, like you, I'm in the minority here but my favorite game is MG single-deck BJ. I have over 101% payback over 44,000+ hands, assuming flat-betting of course, so, sandie, take heart, I'm pretty sure you're getting dealt a fair game. Crypto is definitely at the other end of the spectrum for me.

    Mostly, I wanted to ask if my chi-square calc was OK or if you were still in the "astronomical" range :)

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