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BJ Streak at SandsOftheCaribbean

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by two_card, Nov 12, 2004.

    Nov 12, 2004
  1. two_card

    two_card Dormant account

    Sands of the Caribbean BJ.

    At the end of the session - 2 pushes - then 22 losers in a row.
    Checked the playlog details.

    New record for me (Land base or online)

    Flat betting $5
     
  2. Nov 13, 2004
  3. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

    Occupation:
    Casino apologist
    Location:
    England
    That's a nice 104,000,000 to one probablity.

    Post those logs, TwoCard.
     
  4. Nov 13, 2004
  5. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

    Location:
    somewhere :)
    I thought 22 losses was like a 1 in 4.19 million event! More probable than 1 in 100 million but still not likely.
     
  6. Nov 13, 2004
  7. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

    Occupation:
    Casino apologist
    Location:
    England
    My mistake, I was looking at the win figure.

    Try again: just under 1 in 11,000,000.
     
  8. Nov 13, 2004
  9. nafanny29

    nafanny29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    financail adviser
    Location:
    London, England
    1 in 11 MILLION!!!!! that = RIGGED in my book!!!

    I had a similar experiance on "Super" vegas casino where the dealer did not bust in 52 hands. Must be well overdue to win the lottery hey?? :lolup:
     
  10. Nov 13, 2004
  11. two_card

    two_card Dormant account

    Sands BJ Logs

    Hand # 425
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 10 Clubs, King Hearts (20)
    Dealer's cards showing: Queen Spades
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: Queen Spades, King Diamonds (20)
    The result was: push
    Your new balance: 431.50 USD

    Hand # 426
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 5 Clubs, 2 Spades (7)
    Dealer's cards showing: Ace Diamonds
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 5 Clubs, 2 Spades, Queen Hearts (17)
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: Ace Diamonds, 6 Spades (7/17)
    The result was: push
    Your new balance: 431.50 USD

    Hand # 427
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: Jack Spades, Jack Hearts (20)
    Dealer's cards showing: Ace Diamonds
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: Ace Diamonds, 5 Diamonds, 5 Hearts (11/21)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 426.50 USD

    Hand # 428
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 8 Clubs, 6 Hearts (14)
    Dealer's cards showing: 5 Clubs
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 5 Clubs, Queen Diamonds, 2 Spades (17)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 421.50 USD

    Hand # 429
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 7 Clubs, 3 Clubs (10)
    Dealer's cards showing: 6 Diamonds
    Your response: DOUBLE DOWN
    Your new hand: 7 Clubs, 3 Clubs, 3 Clubs (13)
    Dealer's hand: 6 Diamonds, 3 Spades, Ace Hearts (10/20)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 411.50 USD

    Hand # 430
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: Queen Clubs, 7 Diamonds (17)
    Dealer's cards showing: 9 Diamonds
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 9 Diamonds, Queen Clubs (19)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 406.50 USD

    Hand # 431
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 9 Hearts, 10 Diamonds (19)
    Dealer's cards showing: 4 Diamonds
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 4 Diamonds, 9 Clubs, 2 Hearts, 5 Diamonds (20)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 401.50 USD

    Hand # 432
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 9 Clubs, 8 Clubs (17)
    Dealer's cards showing: Queen Diamonds
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: Queen Diamonds, 10 Spades (20)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 396.50 USD

    Hand # 433
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: Jack Clubs, 2 Clubs (12)
    Dealer's cards showing: 9 Diamonds
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: Jack Clubs, 2 Clubs, Jack Hearts (BUST)
    Dealer's hand: 9 Diamonds, 7 Spades (16)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 391.50 USD

    Hand # 434
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 5 Diamonds, 2 Diamonds (7)
    Dealer's cards showing: 6 Hearts
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 5 Diamonds, 2 Diamonds, 9 Hearts (16)
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 6 Hearts, 3 Hearts, 10 Spades (19)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 386.50 USD

    Hand # 435
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 2 Spades, Jack Spades (12)
    Dealer's cards showing: 7 Hearts
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 2 Spades, Jack Spades, 2 Spades (14)
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 2 Spades, Jack Spades, 2 Spades, 8 Clubs (BUST)
    Dealer's hand: 7 Hearts, 9 Hearts (16)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 381.50 USD

    Hand # 436
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 6 Clubs, 6 Hearts (12)
    Dealer's cards showing: Ace Hearts
    Dealer's hand: Ace Hearts, Jack Clubs (BLACKJACK)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 376.50 USD

    Hand # 437
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 7 Clubs, King Hearts (17)
    Dealer's cards showing: King Spades
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: King Spades, 3 Spades, 5 Spades (18)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 371.50 USD

    Hand # 438
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 5 Hearts, Ace Diamonds (6/16)
    Dealer's cards showing: 8 Diamonds
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 5 Hearts, Ace Diamonds, 6 Spades (12)
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 5 Hearts, Ace Diamonds, 6 Spades, King Diamonds (BUST)
    Dealer's hand: 8 Diamonds, Jack Spades (18)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 366.50 USD

    Hand # 439
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 6 Hearts, 8 Spades (14)
    Dealer's cards showing: 4 Hearts
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 4 Hearts, 6 Diamonds, 3 Spades, 2 Spades, 6 Spades (21)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 361.50 USD

    Hand # 440
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: King Spades, 5 Diamonds (15)
    Dealer's cards showing: 2 Clubs
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 2 Clubs, Ace Hearts, 8 Diamonds (11/21)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 356.50

    Hand # 441
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 6 Diamonds, Jack Clubs (16)
    Dealer's cards showing: 10 Spades
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 6 Diamonds, Jack Clubs, King Clubs (BUST)
    Dealer's hand: 10 Spades, 4 Hearts (14)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 351.50 USD

    Hand # 442
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: King Clubs, 6 Clubs (16)
    Dealer's cards showing: Jack Spades
    Dealer's hand: Jack Spades, Ace Hearts (BLACKJACK)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 346.50 USD

    Hand # 443
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: Jack Spades, 9 Hearts (19)
    Dealer's cards showing: 3 Clubs
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 3 Clubs, 10 Diamonds, 8 Hearts (21)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 341.50 USD

    Hand # 444
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: Jack Clubs, 8 Spades (18)
    Dealer's cards showing: 3 Hearts
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 3 Hearts, 7 Hearts, King Spades (20)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 336.50 USD

    Hand # 445
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 10 Spades, 7 Diamonds (17)
    Dealer's cards showing: 6 Diamonds
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 6 Diamonds, 5 Diamonds, 9 Hearts (20)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 331.50 USD

    Hand # 446
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 3 Clubs, 3 Diamonds (6)
    Dealer's cards showing: 10 Diamonds
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 3 Clubs, 3 Diamonds, Ace Spades (7/17)
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 3 Clubs, 3 Diamonds, Ace Spades, 6 Hearts (13)
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 3 Clubs, 3 Diamonds, Ace Spades, 6 Hearts, 3 Clubs (16)
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 10 Diamonds, 8 Diamonds (18)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 326.50 USD

    Hand # 447
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 8 Diamonds, 7 Spades (15)
    Dealer's cards showing: 8 Clubs
    Your response: HIT
    Your new hand: 8 Diamonds, 7 Spades, 9 Spades (BUST)
    Dealer's hand: 8 Clubs, Queen Clubs (18)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 321.50 USD

    Hand # 448
    Your bet was: 5 USD
    Your cards: 10 Hearts, 6 Diamonds (16)
    Dealer's cards showing: 4 Clubs
    Your response: STAND
    Dealer's hand: 4 Clubs, 3 Spades, Jack Hearts (17)
    The result was: dealer won
    Your new balance: 316.50 USD
     
  12. Nov 13, 2004
  13. mitch

    mitch Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Secret
    Location:
    UK
    Wow! two card that is unlucky! Never hit such a bad beat in my whole time gambling. You must be at the far end of the unlucky curve. Good job you were flat betting I would have lost way more.

    You had better be careful crossing the road for the next few days mate. :(

    Decided to go into the Sands and play a few hands of Bj after this post ( I am a VIP member there and it's one of my favorite casinos) sorry to tell you mate I ended up winning so it looks like you are soaking up the bad luck for the rest of us.

    Mitch

    "win don't gamble"
     
  14. Nov 13, 2004
  15. DealerBusts

    DealerBusts Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    Thats one hell of a losing streak. My worst was 18 with pushes in between. Incidentally i lost 22 units this month at Sands but it was over 350 hands rather than your 22 ;)

    I noticed that on hand #446, you didn't hit your multi-card 16 vs dealer 10. With the luck that you were having, i doubt it would have made much difference :)
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2004
  16. Nov 13, 2004
  17. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

    Location:
    somewhere :)
    I am surprise that he had the patience to wait through it! I would have logged off half way through with that kind of nonsense rather than staying to discover how long the losing streak was!

    Does Sand of Cabb use OddsOn software?
     
  18. Nov 13, 2004
  19. mitch

    mitch Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Secret
    Location:
    UK
    I noticed that as well but it's one of the very few situations where it doesn't matter very much if you deviate from BS, especially if you have a few cards out there. I dont blame "two card" too much when he is trying to beat such a bad streak.

    Mitch
     
  20. Nov 13, 2004
  21. two_card

    two_card Dormant account

    Originally Posted by DealerBusts
    "I noticed that on hand #446, you didn't hit your multi-card 16 vs dealer 10. With the luck that you were having, i doubt it would have made much difference"

    Stanford Wong's book says to stand on 16 v 10 if the count per deck is >= zero.
     
  22. Nov 13, 2004
  23. DealerBusts

    DealerBusts Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    It uses Crypto. Cryptologic still has the fairest internet BJ imo and like all internet BJ, it tends to be streaky. I played Crypto BJ regularly for the past 3 years and have seen it swing both ways. Those monthly bonuses are still my bread and butter for income. My largest loss and longest losing streak online have been on Crypto BJ, which maybe is not so surprising since i play it more than any other casino software.
     
  24. Nov 13, 2004
  25. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

    Location:
    somewhere :)
    But don't they shuffle the cards after every round? What is the use of counting cards here? Of course it won't change your 22 losing streak either way!
     
  26. Nov 13, 2004
  27. DealerBusts

    DealerBusts Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    Do you mean >0?

    It doesn't matter much anyway and I don't mean to takes anything away from what was an incredible losing streak.

    I also count at the tables and from my experience, there is hardly any noticeble difference whether the count is 0 or 1-3. I do try to leave the table when the count is -1 to give myself a bit more assurance and counting does take away some of the boredom of flatbetting and justify the occasional raise in bet (which i seem to lose more than my fair share). Anyway i'm digressing.
     
  28. Nov 13, 2004
  29. two_card

    two_card Dormant account

    "Professional Blackjack" - Stanford Wong -Pi Yee Press - 1994
    P.43 - Table 8

    Hard 16 v 10

    Stand if the count per deck equals or exceeds the number (in this case the number in the table is zero); hit if the count per deck is less than the number.

    On hand #446 the count is +2 as this is the first hand of a new shuffle.

    I just play as best I can.
     
  30. Nov 13, 2004
  31. frafi

    frafi Full Member

    Occupation:
    typesetter
    Location:
    Germany
    count?

    I wonder why some of you count on an online casino.
    Is this not worthless? Do they not shuffle of each round?
     
  32. Nov 13, 2004
  33. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    According to the BJ analyzer at You must register/login in order to see the link., the expected value of standing is -0.5429, the expected value of hitting is -0.5430, so standing is just a tiny bit better.
     
  34. Nov 13, 2004
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Sod the maths! That run was DIABOLICAL!

    Better luck next time, Two_card :thumbsup:
     
  36. Nov 13, 2004
  37. Stanford

    Stanford Dormant account

    Location:
    USA
    What a neat site, GrandMaster. Yes, player had his stuff together.

    I read an article a long time ago where a study was done that said if a non counting player would just hit 16 v 10 any time his multi card 16 contained a 4 or a 5, then he would be a bit better than Basic Strategy. A tiny bit.

    That makes sense that this particular hand would be very sensitive to 4s and 5s.

    If I was the player, I would send those logs to the Wizard of Odds for comment.

    Stanford.
     
  38. Nov 14, 2004
  39. CJack

    CJack Dormant account

    Location:
    USA
    Please show the math to get the probability of this happening.
    Is it the probabilty of no wins in 24 hands or 22 losers in a row or both ?

    What is the probability limit to determine a BJ game is non-random ?
    1 in a million - 10 million ??

    A non-random game does not always mean a cheating casino - but could be an error in the programming they are not aware of.
     

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