Big Banker

DavidShush

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So after WEEKS of playing this game at Coral I've had well over 60 bonus teasers, 1000s of spins, and 0 bonus land. Is this within normality? It really feels like theft with "games" like these. My RTP% is about 60% on this game.

What is the best way to complain about such "random" and "fair" play?
 

snorky510238

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I find it no coincidence that games that are available on FOBTS and are money robbing ^%{]%^*s play exactly the same online. I used to play it when I used high street bookmakers and it was scandalous (as are all FOBT games).

Apart from one or two games, very occasionally I never touch a game online that is available on a FOBT.

As for complaining, all you will get is that 60% is quite permissible in the short term and you need to do millions of spins to make any judgement.

By the time you have done that you will be living on the streets and still get nowhere if you complain. Using the word “random” to describe gameplay means every base is covered. Bloody genius whoever came up with that crap.
 

DavidShush

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This is what I don't understand. If it requires millions of spins then what's the point in listing %? They put 96% then if it doesn't get close to that "well gee, that can happen, it's only theoretical over millions of spins". Imagine me saying I'm 99% reliable in a job interview then have the first 100 days off work. And when I did bother to come in I did fuck all.
 

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This is what I don't understand. If it requires millions of spins then what's the point in listing %? They put 96% then if it doesn't get close to that "well gee, that can happen, it's only theoretical over millions of spins". Imagine me saying I'm 99% reliable in a job interview then have the first 100 days off work. And when I did bother to come in I did fuck all.
Kind of have to be over millions of spins tho.
Playing a slot where you hit the advertised rtp after just a couple 100 spins would be awfully boring.
Wouldnt be any room for wins over 5-10x stake.
 

snorky510238

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Kind of have to be over millions of spins tho.
Playing a slot where you hit the advertised rtp after just a couple 100 spins would be awfully boring.
Wouldnt be any room for wins over 5-10x stake.
Again, they have been very smart though. How many players will complete a million spins on any game? Very few so they will never amass the alleged evidence required to pass judgment.

Theoretically with games that employ the megaways mechanic there are literally billions of combinations possible, if you consider every symbol in every position.

Then take into consideration that just doing the billion spins doesn’t guarantee (far from it) that you will land all the combinations possible. To get a mean average you would have to x the number by itself (I think that’s right, school was a while ago).

If you go with that theory then nobody could ever be in a position to claim they should have hit the said rtp.
 

johnnybagel

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Big Banker is an absolute bog roll of a game. I think the most I've ever won on a spin is 15p... It looks crap as well

I think some RTPs come from spreading out smaller wins to lots of players and others come from never paying out anything and then dumping a big win on one lucky player. So the maths works out but the experience is very different.
 

Fredos386

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Again, they have been very smart though. How many players will complete a million spins on any game? Very few so they will never amass the alleged evidence required to pass judgment.

Theoretically with games that employ the megaways mechanic there are literally billions of combinations possible, if you consider every symbol in every position.

Then take into consideration that just doing the billion spins doesn’t guarantee (far from it) that you will land all the combinations possible. To get a mean average you would have to x the number by itself (I think that’s right, school was a while ago).

If you go with that theory then nobody could ever be in a position to claim they should have hit the said rtp.

I do millions of spins on same slots... not because im all that OCD on playing same games but because i gather samples in millions of spins. That's how i figured when and how bgaming/softswiss slots from direx (don't know elsewhere since i played them on direx casinos 99% of the time) they went from 97.3% to 94%. My sample of 3millions+ spins on domnitors (people that watch me stream know i played it wayyy too much lol) just leave no chance to mistakes unless you believe in 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances that i just ran sooo bad for years lmao. By always playing same slots i saw the casinos i play lower rtp in 2-steps (at least that im aware of). Years ago when i started i had fun, i was hitting, i was also ripping but i was on bgaming because i saw 97.3% and thought even if the slots are not as "beautiful" as some others, it would help me sustain my play. Suddenly after a year + i started ripping consistently and the big hits and runs just vanished. My cost of play more than doubled and that's when i started raging at casinos and therefor all the hate posts in here and other places. I have the stats, it shows multiple points of % below what they advertise after multiple millions of spins and they keep telling no no 97.3% yaaaaa. On a game like domnitors which is low volatility, you cannot have 3-5% points under the advertised RTP after 5millions of spins +. That's exactly why i stuck to that slot hehe. On crazy high volatility it takes more spins but if you play starburst for 1 million spins and your RTP is multiple points under the advertised rtp, the odds that you are being cheated are 99.99%.

Also when talking with certain persons from providers and higher "positions" they imply a lot of things that really make no sense if you go with their claims of randomness and such. For example, they would claim that my RTP is fine because i ripped 60,000x+ than i should in a year on min bet but i won back a chunk on 10 times bigger bet. As to them the RTP would be in money and not in "x the bet" which would completly destory the claim that slots are random and every spin is independant from each other. Also it appear to me (i believe, that part i just can't find out on my own so i can just guess) that casinos system seems to set each players to lose on certain slots and hit on others creating "fake action" as if you stick on a slot like i did for millions of spins and constantly lose... then i'll move to another i never play and hit thousands... To then go back to my normal slots and always rip.. to then return to these slots i never play to hit thousands again lol. Always felt weird that my friends would hit on certain pngo consistantly while i couldnt hit for shyt on them while i would destroy some pngos they couldnt hit nothing ever either. When a casino head tells you that you 1 million spins on 9 cents bet with a rtp completly fradulent are totally fine because i hit 2000x on 1$ bet on another slot from another provider... You start asking yourself some questions. Same way with the casinos justifying your results with your depo/withdrawals without any kind of attention to the bet sizes and everything. You can lose 100 spins on 10 cents bet.. then raise to 1$ and hit 10x for 10$ back on 1 spin and to them your rtp is 100%... while in reality it's 1% Kappa.

One claimed here that ALL players think they got some kind of strategies lmao... no not everyone. People know i just keep saying it's all controlend and there's nothing we can do but just run the script/algorythm and pay pay pay hehe. If one person in this world of gambling believe 99.99% that i can't win long term, it's me... not because of RTP but simply the system is built like that. People have to understand that randomness doesn't exist. We cannot recreate it, at least not yet. It's algorythms and rngs that follow scripts and stats and are programmed to react in a certain way depending on what the player do or other factors. Each scripts and algorythms taken individually would be super easy to prove, that's why they crossed hundreds if not thousands of different factors that cross each others which create a simulation of randomness. It's a controlled envrionmnent built to appear random while it's not. So technically when i say it's controlled and not random, if you look on paper how the system is built... i am right and casinos are lying. Well they "twist" reality would be more accurate. Mislead and avoid certain "details" to make sure people don't figure it out.

I wondered why casinos were able to lie and mislead so much while it's sooooo easy to prove when you know how. To then realize that my own government operate the casinos here landbase and online and use the exact same algorythms/rng .. slots... they even forced evolution gaming to build studios here... to still have them use magnet!!! Why magnets on roulette!?!? Why!??! So yeah the entire industry does it up to the governments while on the side banks and a ton of companies make billions from it so it's a scam so big that it become "legit" lololol. So yeah i gave up quick ideas of fighting whatever when i realized i would have to fight the whole industry, providers, banks, and even governments. Yay lol but when you look at the world, it's just like that in all industries. Modern capitalism is all about screwing everyone hehe.

For the people that tell me why i don,t quit then... Just picture it like if you were addicted to big macs and enjoyed them for years before mcdo change them, reduce the meat, the salad, the dressing... while claiming they didnt change anything. You love big macs! Is it normal that you try to fight a little hoping it would get you back your lovely big macs like they used to be? Hehe that's about my position. I loved gambling, for almost 20 years. I enjoyed it, knew the cost for my bets and the high rtp online made slots hit so regularly it was almost able to make us forget how "rigged" it all is. But now with such low return all across.. with many casinos even running 84% playn'gos.. The return is so dam low that the illusion is broken. The rips last so long and the wins are so short and instantly gone that the fun is also gone. The industry destroyed by greed the games i loved so much. That's what piss me off. I am still running in delusion hoping it goes back to what it was... Heh try being disabled at home on your couch 24/7 on laptop all year long.. used to gamble everyday. Try to just "quit" while you were streaming everyday, while all your friends are on twitch casino section. Quitting means quitting all my life at this point and that's why is so god dam hard. But hey.. playing civilization after years of slots and intense adrenalin rushes... is BORIIIIING af. lol
 

Fredos386

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When i go on ramble raging all over that i got ripped and fakked way too hard. I'm not complaing about losing money, i was losing it anyway. What happens is that i had my budget set for the playtime i do and the bets i do. I could play almost everyday and it was fine. But then they lower rtp and suddenly i run out of money halfway.. then im rip for days/weeks while i shouldnt. Then they lower it even more.. and suddenly instead of being able to play everyday on my own, i am rip 28 days on 30 even if i get friends on twitch that support me and help me stream but the rtp is so god dam fraudulent now that it's just impossible to make it even on 20 cents bet. I get mad because i was told rtp 97.3%.. cost me say 100$ a week on 9-20 cents bet. Then it cost 200$... they say rtp is still 97.3% then it cost 400$.. they still dam claim it's still 97.3%... That's what make me go so mad. If they would just put the real rtp (casinos with curacao cereal box license that allow them to post the provider advertised rtp and not the one they are running) then i could just know the cost of play. Figure how much i need or what i need to change/reduce. But they keep lying over and over making it nearly impossible to figure how to plan ahead. I just want to play, i play... all my money will always end up in their pockets, i never played to win, i know it's impossible. I am just a adrenalin addict, the rush.. always the rush.. and add to it chasing achievements, screen shots.. things that are ultra rare. Makes it so addicting! Gambling is my drug, my adrenalin shot, not delusions of glory and wealth.

There are 2 kind of players, the lower IQ's (sorry to say it like that, but it's exactly what it is) that believe in strategies, in making a living out of slots... go watch on quora the hundreds of posts of people asking how to make a living out of it.. shame. But there are aslo smart people, people that know exactly what it is but are addicted to the rush. Addicted to the roller coaster of going bankrup then oops miracle! Then dam disaster again lol. It makes life unpredictable.. give emotions you couldn't have any other way. It allows depressed people to escape their reality like i escape my disabled life through it. Just look at the economy.. the stock markets ... it's just a gigantic casino for the top of the pyramid hehe.
 

trancemonkey

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I do millions of spins on same slots... not because im all that OCD on playing same games but because i gather samples in millions of spins. That's how i figured when and how bgaming/softswiss slots from direx (don't know elsewhere since i played them on direx casinos 99% of the time) they went from 97.3% to 94%. My sample of 3millions+ spins on domnitors (people that watch me stream know i played it wayyy too much lol) just leave no chance to mistakes unless you believe in 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances that i just ran sooo bad for years lmao. By always playing same slots i saw the casinos i play lower rtp in 2-steps (at least that im aware of). Years ago when i started i had fun, i was hitting, i was also ripping but i was on bgaming because i saw 97.3% and thought even if the slots are not as "beautiful" as some others, it would help me sustain my play. Suddenly after a year + i started ripping consistently and the big hits and runs just vanished. My cost of play more than doubled and that's when i started raging at casinos and therefor all the hate posts in here and other places. I have the stats, it shows multiple points of % below what they advertise after multiple millions of spins and they keep telling no no 97.3% yaaaaa. On a game like domnitors which is low volatility, you cannot have 3-5% points under the advertised RTP after 5millions of spins +. That's exactly why i stuck to that slot hehe. On crazy high volatility it takes more spins but if you play starburst for 1 million spins and your RTP is multiple points under the advertised rtp, the odds that you are being cheated are 99.99%.

Also when talking with certain persons from providers and higher "positions" they imply a lot of things that really make no sense if you go with their claims of randomness and such. For example, they would claim that my RTP is fine because i ripped 60,000x+ than i should in a year on min bet but i won back a chunk on 10 times bigger bet. As to them the RTP would be in money and not in "x the bet" which would completly destory the claim that slots are random and every spin is independant from each other. Also it appear to me (i believe, that part i just can't find out on my own so i can just guess) that casinos system seems to set each players to lose on certain slots and hit on others creating "fake action" as if you stick on a slot like i did for millions of spins and constantly lose... then i'll move to another i never play and hit thousands... To then go back to my normal slots and always rip.. to then return to these slots i never play to hit thousands again lol. Always felt weird that my friends would hit on certain pngo consistantly while i couldnt hit for shyt on them while i would destroy some pngos they couldnt hit nothing ever either. When a casino head tells you that you 1 million spins on 9 cents bet with a rtp completly fradulent are totally fine because i hit 2000x on 1$ bet on another slot from another provider... You start asking yourself some questions. Same way with the casinos justifying your results with your depo/withdrawals without any kind of attention to the bet sizes and everything. You can lose 100 spins on 10 cents bet.. then raise to 1$ and hit 10x for 10$ back on 1 spin and to them your rtp is 100%... while in reality it's 1% Kappa.

One claimed here that ALL players think they got some kind of strategies lmao... no not everyone. People know i just keep saying it's all controlend and there's nothing we can do but just run the script/algorythm and pay pay pay hehe. If one person in this world of gambling believe 99.99% that i can't win long term, it's me... not because of RTP but simply the system is built like that. People have to understand that randomness doesn't exist. We cannot recreate it, at least not yet. It's algorythms and rngs that follow scripts and stats and are programmed to react in a certain way depending on what the player do or other factors. Each scripts and algorythms taken individually would be super easy to prove, that's why they crossed hundreds if not thousands of different factors that cross each others which create a simulation of randomness. It's a controlled envrionmnent built to appear random while it's not. So technically when i say it's controlled and not random, if you look on paper how the system is built... i am right and casinos are lying. Well they "twist" reality would be more accurate. Mislead and avoid certain "details" to make sure people don't figure it out.

I wondered why casinos were able to lie and mislead so much while it's sooooo easy to prove when you know how. To then realize that my own government operate the casinos here landbase and online and use the exact same algorythms/rng .. slots... they even forced evolution gaming to build studios here... to still have them use magnet!!! Why magnets on roulette!?!? Why!??! So yeah the entire industry does it up to the governments while on the side banks and a ton of companies make billions from it so it's a scam so big that it become "legit" lololol. So yeah i gave up quick ideas of fighting whatever when i realized i would have to fight the whole industry, providers, banks, and even governments. Yay lol but when you look at the world, it's just like that in all industries. Modern capitalism is all about screwing everyone hehe.

For the people that tell me why i don,t quit then... Just picture it like if you were addicted to big macs and enjoyed them for years before mcdo change them, reduce the meat, the salad, the dressing... while claiming they didnt change anything. You love big macs! Is it normal that you try to fight a little hoping it would get you back your lovely big macs like they used to be? Hehe that's about my position. I loved gambling, for almost 20 years. I enjoyed it, knew the cost for my bets and the high rtp online made slots hit so regularly it was almost able to make us forget how "rigged" it all is. But now with such low return all across.. with many casinos even running 84% playn'gos.. The return is so dam low that the illusion is broken. The rips last so long and the wins are so short and instantly gone that the fun is also gone. The industry destroyed by greed the games i loved so much. That's what piss me off. I am still running in delusion hoping it goes back to what it was... Heh try being disabled at home on your couch 24/7 on laptop all year long.. used to gamble everyday. Try to just "quit" while you were streaming everyday, while all your friends are on twitch casino section. Quitting means quitting all my life at this point and that's why is so god dam hard. But hey.. playing civilization after years of slots and intense adrenalin rushes... is BORIIIIING af. lol

I'd love to dissect every one of your points here, as most you make to do with randomness, maths, algorithms and the like are demonstrably wrong... but it would take too long. So you'll just have to accept my word for it ;)
 
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