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[jpm]

Mark, was your friend's transaction in the other casino in the EH group of casinos?? I wouldn't have a problem with that if that were the case, since its all the same organization.

My confusion would be how he was able to use your neteller account on his casino account. I thought the email address of the casino account holder had to match the email address of the neteller account holder. And why would you do this anyway?? This doesn't make sense to me, and if I were the casino, I would think something funny was going on.

 

[linda7]

Hi everyone,
Sorry if I am off topic here, but I have a question regarding Neteller. How am I supposed to open an account with them, if they require your SSN now? I know to never give out my Social Security number, and if you put in the wrong number just to supply them with 10 digits, they nail you on the spot. They are a canadian based company, so how is it that inside of 10 seconds they know if you supplied the right number or not.
I dont trust Neteller, they must have a connection with the SS bureau in order to know whether you give them the correct number, therefore, I dont doubt that they would happily give your info to any and all who ask for it.

Can anyone explain how they know if the SSN you supply them with is yours? I tried opening an account, mixed up my social numbers, and the account was disabled immediately.

 

[murder1]

Linda I am in agreement with 100% of your posts. I quit fugging with Neteller and went to FirePay. I just make one big deposit ($1000) into my Firepay account +$1.50 fee and I am through with it! I don't have to give them my SS#. Every Online Casino I've Played At So Far Accepts Firepay.

Damn I miss Paypal!

 

[cipher]

Hi Linda;

I have no problem providing Neteller with my Social Security number and/or even credit card and checking account numbers.

The main difference between Neteller and the casinos is the fact that Neteller is very collectible in the event that were to do something untoward with your financial information.

With most Casinos the player generally doesn't really even have a clue as to whether or not a Casino has enough cash on hand to cover even
a $100 wager. Conversely, a Player has even less of a idea as to whether a casino is collectible if in the event they (the Casino) were to do something untoward with your financial info.

Lastly, Neteller is able to verify your Social Security number within seconds by accessing one of the credit bureaus such as Equifax or Trans Union. Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[jetset]

I have advised Neteller about this thread. Let's see what they have to say.

 

[jpm]

Linda, I don't trust firepay as far as I can throw them, but I do trust neteller. I've had problems with firepay before with some casinos where I could never get a firepay purchase accepted. Never had that problem with neteller. And neteller processes cashins MUCH faster than firepay, both from the casino and to my bank account.

Also, firepay is now adding on all these fees, even to withdraw, which really ticks me off, so I've cleared out all my funds from there and I am going to close it asap.

 

[glodge]

linda7,

In the old days of the internet, before real time processing, the algorithm of a Credit Card was tested by a CC checking program, before the purchases details were accepted.

A program such as this could determine if the credit card numbers were of the correct algorithm pertaining to the CC type. Part of the number configuration would also indicate what country the CC was issued to.

I would supsect that the SSN algorithm, may hold your states ID within its number configuration.

Therefore juggling the numbers around, would cause an error flag.

Maybe Neteller simply runs everyone's SSN through a simular checking program.

IMO I doubt that Neteller would be in cahoots with any US Government Dept.

(Message edited by glodge on July 16, 2003)

 

[jpm]

Actually, the first 3 digits of your SS# do indicate the state you were born in, however, it doesn't indicate where you live currently. And unlike CC numbers, there is no check digit in them.

Someone said (Linda I think?) that they gave neteller their (deceased) father's SS# as their own and neteller came back and said it wasn't their # and told them their father's name, etc. I'd still like to know what database they are into that is giving them this info. I suspect maybe its the Chex system that banks are now using check you out when you open a new account. Too much info at their fingertips if you ask me!

 

[glodge]

jpm,

"Too much info at their fingertips if you ask me!"

Yep.

Life is starting to be to much like 1984 - George Orwell.

 

[linda7]

Hi everyone,

Thank you all for your input regarding neteller and their demand for SSN. Yes, JPM you are absolutely correct. The first time they asked for my SSN I gave them my SSN, but I mixed up the last 4 digits. The second time, I gave them my deceased Dad's SSN. They knew everything about my dad. His name, home address (even tho he is deceased, my mom still has the house) phone number, birthdate, etc. It was scary. Yes, I agree they do have too much info at their fingertips. I am so reluctant to give them my SSN, that I really do not know what to do. I have been using PrePaidATM. However, playtech sites will not accept PPA (even tho their websites say they do). I asked them why, and they said PPATM has been flagged as a funding site for gambling. This is getting ridiculous.
As for firepay, a friend of mine was either double or triple charged by them, so she had to dispute the charges, and now she is unable to play at any casinos that use ProcCyber. Needless to say, I dont know whether to scratch my watch or wind my butt...lol.

 

[spearmaster]

JPM is probably right - it's likely to be ChexSystems who are behind the database. And yes, the first three digits definitely indicate the state of birth - but what shocked the crap out of me is that the last 6 digits in my case - by sheer coincidence - were year(2) year(2) day(1) month(1) - my birthdate!

Needless to say I had no trouble memorizing my SSN... LMAO...

 

[jpm]

What a weird coincidence that is spearmaster! Though now that I think about it, the last 2 digits of my SS# are the same as the last 2 digits of my birth year. Certainly much less a coincidence than having your whole d.o.b. as the last 6 digits though.


(Message edited by jpm on July 16, 2003)

 

[murder1]

I never had a problem with Firepay. I have had a problem with ProcCyber taking money from my credit card in small amounts like $1.14 $1.25, etc. The Safest and Best way to go Linda is to open a bank account and get a VISA Debt Card take subtracts from you bank account. As far as Firepay all my credit appears right there whenever I deposit are when i expect a payout. All are risky, none are for certain. But Linda don't ever compromise your privacy for this National Data Base that they are setting up. If the people only knew what is about to happen to them and this collection of personal data.

 

[mark10]

As we are discussing Social Security Numbers here I have a question (anybody knows)? Can I open a US bank account without being a US resident and without having social security number? I live in Australia, I have dual citizenship and two passports: Polish & Australian. If I go to Hawaii for 2 weeks holidays do you thnk I will be allowed to open a US account there? Not having US bank account makes certain things impossible e.g. Firepay. Besides, rip-off exchange rates (banks call it retail exchange rates, same thing!) are a problem with every transaction.

 

[glodge]

mark10,

If you've got a lazy $100,000US laying around you can get an account at the Royal Bank of Canada.

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[jpm]

mark10, I am pretty sure you can't open a US bank account without a SS#. That is one thing they always require when opening an accont here. Though there must be some way to do it for people who are working here with a green card for instance.

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