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Beware of Betable's bizarre wagering Ts & Cs

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by dave1888, Sep 1, 2014.

    Sep 1, 2014
  1. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    For anyone who has recently joined the site Betable(net-ent powered) Be extra careful when wagering here they have really odd wagering rules check this out..


    The following are the maximums a player will need to wager to meet their promotion Wager Requirements:
    25 times their bonus for wagers on a game with an RTP lower than or equal to 92%
    100 times their bonus for wagers on a game with an RTP higher than 92% and lower than or equal to 98%
    1,000 times their bonus for wagers on a game with an RTP higher than 98% and lower than or equal to 99.8%

    Ok, so you need to playthrough a certain amount depending on which slot you play so why on earth is no RTPs displayed for us to see! This is really bad practice sure we could browse the net to find out every slots ind RTP but that is time consuming and tedious! I don't think I want to deposit here when plenty of casinos do not have this rule! Seriously what in the hell!! :mad::lolup:
     
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  2. Sep 1, 2014
  3. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

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    Most slots are higher than 92%, so 100x bonus is very very bad (unless it is a freebie, in which case it is merely poor).

    I don't expect "free money" to be quite free, but I shouldn't be much worse off than if I took no bonus.

    Think it is your deposit that is free money for the casino with terms like that:eek:
     
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  4. Sep 1, 2014
  5. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    I just researched Net-Ent Rtp library and every single Net-ent slot is above 92% RTP apart from Relic Raiders 90%. Bloodsuckers is a complete waste of time to play here as you would need to wager a whopping 1000x to complete wagering. What I don't understand is why have the 25x wagering at all when only one game qualifies for that!? I certainly won't take a deposit bonus here. I think when it is just straight cash no wagering req but with such strange and rotten rules I wouldn't be surprised if your own cash needs turned over 10x before you can cashout! :lolup::thumbsup::eek2::rolleyes:
     
  6. Sep 1, 2014
  7. Scampo

    Scampo Experienced Member

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    Horrible Bonus

    I deposited £20 for 100% bonus. A couple of good hits took it to £300. Five hours later after bettng slots only at £1-1.50 I busted out. Stats declared I had covered 12% of WR. Waste of tme.
     
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  8. Sep 1, 2014
  9. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    Thanks for this reply with a normal sized wagering you would have completed much more of the wagering so indeed as you said complete waste of time! This is why it is really important to check out terms and conditions. This wagering requirement is simply deplorable though!
     
  10. Sep 1, 2014
  11. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    That's a pretty screwed up term. And for them to add it without even including the RTP of the games is idiocy. Why is it up to the players to have to chase around all over the internet trying to find up-to-date published RTPs so they can figure out how to calculate their wagering?

    Also I don't even understand why they'd do it like that - if all games count differently they should do like what most normal casinos do and change the game contributions. The following games (game 1 and game 2) count only 10% toward wagering, these games (game 3 and 4) count 50% etc.

    I suppose they don't want to look like a terrible casino with a term like: "The following games - insert list - count .001% toward wagering." :rolleyes:
     
  12. Sep 1, 2014
  13. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I wouldn't trust a site that males it almost impossible to withdraw when a bonus is taken. The terms are there, but they may as well say 'Turn your deposit into 'fun play' with our super bonuses!'
    BS. total BS.
     
  14. Sep 1, 2014
  15. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    They have inadvertently suggested that "most slots" are less than 92% RTP as players usually know that the "headline" WR is for the recreational slots player, and that the weightings are usually applied to table and poker games to deter the advantage player from using these high RTP games to grind out the WR.

    Their more likely intent was deception, to "headline" with a mere 25x WR where most of the competition has more, but to actually implement a standard 100x WR for their slots games, and along with other casinos, apply a 10% weighting to the table and poker games, which in their case makes it 1000x, or "impossible".

    The impression that they have their slots set to less than 92% to accommodate their 25x WR for "recreational play" could well put players off, as 30x WR is a better offer if the slots are the more usual 95%.

    The terms only cover games up to 99.8% RTP, so what is the WR on a game over 99.8% RTP? (or maybe they don't have All Aces VP on "full pay", or Vegas Strip BJ, let alone single deck BJ).
     
  16. Sep 1, 2014
  17. SpinUk

    SpinUk Senior Member MM PABnonaccred

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    Clip joint. See if still there in 12 months
     
  18. Sep 1, 2014
  19. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    • Think it might just be the way the terms are worded and that its meant to be different levels for like slots and table games as it also says this in terms.
      As a general guide, wagers on slots games will turn your bonus into real funds quicker than wagers on table games (Blackjack and Roulette). For example, a £10 bonus would need to be wagered 25 times on Casino Cash’s Kung Fu Chicken slots game to turn it into real funds (£10 x 25 = £250 of wagers), but the same £10 bonus would need to be wagered 100 times on Casino Cash’s Roulette to turn it into real funds (£10 x 100 = £1000 of wagers).
      But they do have a UK licenceso who knows they might end up being one of the few casinos we end up being able to play at.
     
  20. Sep 2, 2014
  21. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    Ive seen some dogy rules in my time, But only certain games dont count as much, Ive nether heard of a 1000x play threw, The name agin is not 1 to keep playing, Im not even going to check, Why do people give money to these site is beggers belive
     
  22. Sep 2, 2014
  23. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    Thankfully I never! Really glad I read the terms and conditions first before basically as good as pissed my cash down the drain because that is essentially what you are doing if you play here!
     
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  24. Sep 2, 2014
  25. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    Dam right & glad you read and bought terms up, Hopefully get a few to lok at the thread and see, Pisstake

    Also mate did you manage to pull any cash out the sites you told me about & receive? Ive still got 10 theer I recive ok but also added to a site I just done and do not want to jeprdise any think, Any feed back would be good
     
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  26. Dec 8, 2014
  27. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    Still no RTP published and has since become fully UK Gambling Commission Licenced.

    They have dropped the x1000 wagering to x500 :p
     
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  28. Dec 8, 2014
  29. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    Yes the wagers have have been cut in half from the OP,

    Here is a good bit, I guess this is the only game that has a rtp as low as 92%

    As a general guide, wagers on slots games will turn your Bonus into real funds quicker than wagers on table games (Blackjack and Roulette). For example, a £10 bonus would need to be wagered around 12.5 times on Casino Cash’s Kung Fu Chicken slots game to turn it into real funds (£10 x 12.5 = £125 of wagers)
     
  30. Dec 8, 2014
  31. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    uk
    I don't know if this is a new addition, or if no one noticed this section near the bottom of the page

    10. Until you meet the Wager Requirements, all of your winnings and all further deposits will be:

    first, used to first top up the Bonus balance to its value when awarded;

    then
    second, used to top up the cash balance of your account to the value of the First Deposit;

    then
    third, accrued as 'pending winnings'.

    So it appears that you're stuck with the WR until it's completed, even if you bust out on your first deposit
     
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  32. Dec 12, 2014
  33. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    x500 though I may as well try one of these impossible adameve or rival site playthroughs :lolup::D Just as hopeless an endeavor.
     
  34. Dec 14, 2014
  35. Matt44UK

    Matt44UK On a Break

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    In a word, then ....

    AVOID!!!!
     
  36. Dec 14, 2014
  37. polli123

    polli123 Webmaster CAG webmeister

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    Only x500 on the bonus? Oh Jesus, time to search for my CC and make a large deposit over this playerfriendly Palace of Riches!
     
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  38. Dec 14, 2014
  39. rshkrn

    rshkrn Senior Member

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    a serious contender for the most roguish T&C award for 2014!!!
     
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