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BetVoyager's Bonus Terms - acceptable?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by SlotMonster, Aug 28, 2008.

    Aug 28, 2008
  1. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster Twitch Streamer - Affiliate webmeister

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    Hello everyone!
    I haven't posted much (and haven't played, unfortunately) for few weeks, mostly because I was overloaded with my work. But there's one simply question I want to ask: today I opened BetVoyager's site in order to have some fun with Roulette, and I found that they added Welcome Bonus (100%, up to 50 euros, deposit via Moneybookers, no WR, can be used in any game, bonus will remain on your account after cashout). Sounds good, but I'm a bit confused by their T&C. Can you please help me to determine, whether or not there is any pitfalls? See T&C below (bold in text is mine):

    Any help will be appreciated.
     
  2. Aug 28, 2008
  3. gerilege

    gerilege Meister Member PABnorogue PABrogue

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    No pitfalls, you can never cash out the bonus, only your funds and winnings. When your balance drops down below the original bonus amount, and you make the deposit, then bonus is recalculated, so if you deposit 50, get 50, lose 80, and you only have 20 remaining, and you make a new deposit, then you still have 20 in bonus money, but not 50 as you originally had, so you can withdraw anything above 20. But if you do not make a deposit at that time, you can only withdraw what is above 50, the original amount. With other words a new deposit nullifies that part of the bonus which you have already lost. In fact this is beneficial for the player.

    Because some circumstances I would not like to detail here I predict that they will either discontinue this promotion soon or bust.
     
  4. Aug 28, 2008
  5. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    This raises so many red flags, imo.

    1: I have NEVER seen a casino offer a SUB that didn't have WR. (At least in the past 5+ years)
    2: 99.9999% of casinos will NOT let you deposit if you have an active bonus in your account. You must meet the WR or bust out before depositing again.
    3: Again, in recent times, I have NEVER seen a casino leave a sticky bonus in your account after cashing out.

    In this case, 1+2+3 = 7.

    Moral of the story: Something doesn't add up. With terms such as this (if the casino is on the up and up), they're just begging to get taken to the cleaners.
     
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  7. SlotMonster

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    Thanks for reply, Win :)

    Well, I think it's not a big deal. It's just "what all other do" thing.

    So, no WR --> no restrictions in depositing. :)

    Me too, and it's quite a new feature, but it doesnt meam "bad feature", isn't it? Maybe it's just because they're new and going to bring something new into online-gambling industry?
     
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  9. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    Ahhh ok...actually, it sounds on the up and up seeing as how there are in fact WR tied to the SUB...

    And yes, I really hope that it's a new "feature" that gains momentum, and spreads around to other casinos. I would definitely start taking sticky bonuses if they stayed in your account after a cashout ;)
     
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  11. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    I played this bonus two days ago and there are no pitfalls. The promo is as good as it sounds. The bonus remains on your account after withdrawal and you can keep playing and withdrawing winnings until your balance goes to zero. They also paid back to Moneybookers instantly :eek:
     
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  13. GrandMaster

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    1. Vegas Towers has a SUB with no WR. (It is a phantom bonus.)

    2. Huh? I cannot think of a casino that won't let you deposit. Maybe there are some at the dodgier end of the market that try to trip you up with such rules.

    3. The definition of a sticky bonus is exactly that it stays in your account. If it is removed when you make a withdrawal, it is a phantom bonus.
     
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  15. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    1: Surprising
    2: I've never seen a casino (that I've played at) where I could deposit again before fulfilling the WR (or bust) on the current bonus I was playing.
    3: Fine, but again, I've never saw anything besides a phantom bonus

    4: Not saying that #1,2,3 don't exist; just that I've never seen them.
     
  16. Aug 28, 2008
  17. GrandMaster

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    Intercasino, Ladbrokes, Virgin, just to name a few, will even let you claim a bonus, not just deposit before meeting the WR for a previous bonus. Can you name one that won't even let you deposit?
     
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  19. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    I'm not trying to start an argument here, just relaying my experiences over the years.

    And it's painfully obvious that the reason that I haven't seen this because of the fact that the casinos you named don't accept USA players.
     
  20. Aug 28, 2008
  21. SlotMonster

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    So, what the conclusion is?
    Trustworthy? No pitfalls? :rolleyes:
    By the way, what about the bonus recalculation? Will it for any benefit for players? :what:
     
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  23. gerilege

    gerilege Meister Member PABnorogue PABrogue

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    About the bonus recalculation.
    @BetVoyager you deposit 50, get a 50 bonus, you lose and reach a balance of 20. Now you make a deposit of 100, you will have a balance of 120 from which you will not be able to cash out 20.
    @some Playtech casinos you deposit 50, get 50 bonus, you lose and reach a balance of 20. Now you make a deposit of 100, you will have a balance of 120 from which you might not be able to cash out 50. At Playtech casinos if a player has a small amount remaining in their balance after receiving a bonus, the next deposit may be defined as a bonus, up to the amount of the previous bonus. This seems to be only a software limitation though, in most cases it it corrected manually.
    This is explicitely promised not to be the case @BetVoyager with the above T&C.
     
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  25. SlotMonster

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    :eek:

    I gave up usung bonuses more than year ago, but now I'm thinking I'm going to try it :rolleyes:
     
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  27. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    When in doubt, take a screenshot of the T&C's :)

    good luck!
     
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  29. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    Could you point me to the T&C of at least one casino that won't let you deposit if you have not met the WR for a bonus yet. It means that if you take a bonus and lose all your money, you won't be able to deposit ever again. I cannot imagine any casino having such a stupid condition.
     
  30. Aug 29, 2008
  31. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    All I know is that I've seen it in the past, and to be honest, I don't have the time to try and remember all the places I've played at and hunt this information down.

    You win, happy?
     
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  33. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    Extatic!
     

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