Betvoyager Casino - No House Edge

[manblue]

I have been doing a lot of research on the betvoyager casino, and I couldn't find anything bad about them.
In fact they seem to be the best casino out there.

-Min bet of 0.01 and max bet goes all the way to 1000
(I think betvoyager is the ONLY casino that lets you make 1 cent bets)

-Instant moneybookers payouts

-no house edge

-SHA-256 algorithm

Am I missing something?
My friend keeps telling me that it is possible for them to still manipulate the roulette numbers, because he thinks that with the random letters their software adds in the end they are still able to change the numbers in their favour...

 

[me_and_ed]

All M/G casino's allow penny bets.

 

[manblue]

All M/G casino's allow penny bets.

Does M/G stand for micro gaming?
Are you sure there are any other casinos that allow 1 cent betting on roulette?

 

[me_and_ed]

I dont know, your post doesn't specifically state roulette. As one of your first posts it sure sounds shillish though. Anyway our resident Betvoyager expert is Slotmonster.

 

[manblue]

I dont know, your post doesn't specifically state roulette. As one of your first posts it sure sounds shillish though. Anyway our resident Betvoyager expert is Slotmonster.

sorry, I noticed that. I should have specified that I was talking about roulette...

 

[SlotMonster]

BetVoyager

he thinks that with the random letters their software adds in the end they are still able to change the numbers in their favour...

Your friend isn't right, mate. their software adds random letters to the end of the string only to reinforce the protection of SHA-checksum and to make it more difficult to encrypt. But I really doubt comeone could some day do this. SHA-256 is absolutely irresistible. I'm playing here almost a year, and have made very nice profit playing their Roulette.

 

[SlotMonster]

And I almost forgot to add, that by shifting numbers on Roulette you also protect yourself from cheating...

 

[manblue]

And I almost forgot to add, that by shifting numbers on Roulette you also protect yourself from cheating...

when you play do you usually shift the numbers?
And if you don't mind me asking, how much money have you deposited and how much have you cashed out?

 

[Tengil]

Im still very suspicious about the whole group (Betcruise). Just look at the poker room (betraiser), they take no rake. How could they possibly be making anything else than a loss?

 

[SlotMonster]

Im still very suspicious about the whole group (Betcruise). Just look at the poker room (betraiser), they take no rake. How could they possibly be making anything else than a loss?

It's time-limited promotion, only to attract players. I think in the very near future they will start taking rake.

 

[Tengil]

It's time-limited promotion, only to attract players. I think in the very near future they will start taking rake.

Well they seemed to have failed. They dont seem to have any active cash players.

 

[SlotMonster]

Well they seemed to have failed. They dont seem to have any active cash players.

Don't be so pessimistic, they opened onle maybe 6 months ago.

 

[shoust]

Your friend isn't right, mate. their software adds random letters to the end of the string only to reinforce the protection of SHA-checksum and to make it more difficult to encrypt.

Don't you mean decrypt?

In theory it could be possible that the set of numbers after the current set of numbers could be adapted to a particular betting pattern, this would not change the checksum but if you are changing betting strategies randomly after every set of numbers, it could be possible to beat it everytime, if that was the scenario, but it probably isn't, so there .

 

[SlotMonster]

Don't you mean decrypt?

In theory it could be possible that the set of numbers after the current set of numbers could be adapted to a particular betting pattern, this would not change the checksum but if you are changing betting strategies randomly after every set of numbers, it could be possible to beat it everytime, if that was the scenario, but it probably isn't, so there .

Yes, I meant decrypt, sorry. English is not my native language.
As for betting strategy, shifting numbers wil also help. You may shift randonly every spin to receive completely random outcome.

 

[tombee]

This is the only casino I managed to loose a lot of the money I deposited in the last three months (except for some casino's where I tried slots with a bonus) playing BJ and Roulette. After doing lots of spins on the roulette table I decided that I do not trust it. I always play with a system, and in the beginning it worked a while, but after that no matter what I tried the numbers started to work against me in the most ridiculous ways just like if they where set to work against me/ my system. Lost a lot of money there, even though I play very carefully with small bets and do not take large risks. Really, I DO NOT trust it anymore.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

This is the only casino I managed to loose a lot of the money I deposited in the last three months (except for some casino's where I tried slots with a bonus) playing BJ and Roulette. After doing lots of spins on the roulette table I decided that I do not trust it. I always play with a system, and in the beginning it worked a while, but after that no matter what I tried the numbers started to work against me in the most ridiculous ways just like if they where set to work against me/ my system. Lost a lot of money there, even though I play very carefully with small bets and do not take large risks. Really, I DO NOT trust it anymore.

This will be the maths exposing the flaws in your system and not the casino software as such. It is like the oil in your engine. If you have a weak point it will find it and leak out.

 

[SlotMonster]

This is the only casino I managed to loose a lot of the money I deposited in the last three months (except for some casino's where I tried slots with a bonus) playing BJ and Roulette.

It's gambling, mate. Sometimes we lose, sometimes we win. I managed to make nice profit from their Roulette to date (normally I do not play BJ), but I also had downswings. And I used "RC" and shifting with both barrels

I always play with a system, and in the beginning it worked a while, but after that no matter what I tried the numbers started to work against me in the most ridiculous ways just like if they where set to work against me/ my system.

Repeat it ad nauseam: there is no system in the world which can beat Roulette, online or not. And if you are always usind the same betting system - surely the moment when your system fail will come. Remember: there is no system in the world which can beat Roulette. All systems just help you not to lose much money, or just help you to prolong your agony So in a long run you will always lose your money. And if you won - take money and run!

Lost a lot of money there, even though I play very carefully with small bets and do not take large risks.Really, I DO NOT trust it anymore.

It won't help. Small bets just smooth over the variance. In the long run you will lose your money.

 

[SlotMonster]

This is the age-old claim about online roulette, when players find their 'magic system' suddenly doesn't work

This quotation never better do for your situation

 

[tombee]

Never claimed it to be a magic system It's just to make it a little more interesting. I get so bored of flat betting in roulette.
But anyway, you will not see me back there again. I've seen rediculous things... but not in the first two or three sessions, but even more so in ALL sessions after that. The chances of losing 200 euro (two times in a row!!) in a no-zero roulette doing spins of 30 ct to maybe 1 or 2 dollar betting on even chances should be very small imho And just for an idea, I did not play for hours in a row in one session, maybe an hour max and the money was gone.
And I know systems should not work... I was one of many beginning my gambling career with the martingale on roulette. After winning 800 euro with that in the first session I lost way more after that untill I found out the whole system and all of it's variations were nonsense.

 

[SlotMonster]

Tombee, I'm not trying to persuade you to get back and play here again, I'm just trying to say, that there is no any rediculous things, if your system at first time allows you to win, and then you lose. Sooner or later. Period.
I have had many loosing streaks, playing their Roulette, but normally I play 3 or 4 hours. One time I lost more than 1000 euros with start bet in just 10 cents! Can you imagine how irritated I was? I was furious!!! But when I blew my steam off, I analysed my play, and didn't find anything strange. The secret was: I just used one system too long, and didn't use shifting. And that's why I started losing.
I also summon you to use shifting. USE SHIFTING! Because it's an additional feature to avoid possible casino cheating. Even if sequence was generated "against you", just by shifting numbers (it's won't affect SHA-checksum) you can ruin all attempts to cheat, because casino soft doesn't "know" which number you may choose to shift and on which value.
You may consider my post as tip to win: mix your systems while playing, randomly use shifting, and do not play every sequence to the end. That's why I earned more than 16.000 euros from them. And I was paid in full within one hour.
And there is my final words: they are reliable, they have Randomness Control, they cannot cheat, they will always pay to you your winnings quickly, and they deserve to be the safe place to play!

 

[tombee]

Thank you very much for your explanation! You could very well be right about many things and I must say the costumer service was good over there. Just very mad about all the money I lost at a casino where the odds should be equal

 

[SlotMonster]

...where the odds should be equal

in a long-long run...don't forget about all theese math things (mathematical expectation, variance and standard deviation)

 

[manblue]

Tombee, I'm not trying to persuade you to get back and play here again, I'm just trying to say, that there is no any rediculous things, if your system at first time allows you to win, and then you lose. Sooner or later. Period.
I have had many loosing streaks, playing their Roulette, but normally I play 3 or 4 hours. One time I lost more than 1000 euros with start bet in just 10 cents! Can you imagine how irritated I was? I was furious!!! But when I blew my steam off, I analysed my play, and didn't find anything strange. The secret was: I just used one system too long, and didn't use shifting. And that's why I started losing.
I also summon you to use shifting. USE SHIFTING! Because it's an additional feature to avoid possible casino cheating. Even if sequence was generated "against you", just by shifting numbers (it's won't affect SHA-checksum) you can ruin all attempts to cheat, because casino soft doesn't "know" which number you may choose to shift and on which value.
You may consider my post as tip to win: mix your systems while playing, randomly use shifting, and do not play every sequence to the end. That's why I earned more than 16.000 euros from them. And I was paid in full within one hour.
And there is my final words: they are reliable, they have Randomness Control, they cannot cheat, they will always pay to you your winnings quickly, and they deserve to be the safe place to play!

slotmonster, could you please post some more details on that big loss?
Where you shifting numbers when it happened?

 

[SlotMonster]

slotmonster, could you please post some more details on that big loss?
Where you shifting numbers when it happened?

I was betting on dozens, starting from 10 cents, doubling my bet, if required dozend didn't come. And then it happened: I received 1st dozen six times in a row (of course, I was betting on 2nd and 3rd ). I decided to finish this sequence as I thought it was too risky, and created new. And I again received 1st dozen four times in a row!!! And of course, I didn't start from 10 cents, I just continued increasing my bet from previous sequence. And I lost...and I was betting 2 dozens simultaneously, so my loss was doubled I know, this strategy was too srteaky, but I had a good bank, and start bets were very low. And I didn't use shifting. But now I use shifting at least 3 times on every 10 spins, and mix my systems. And I was able to win my money back just in 4 sessions (6,5 hours total)

The secret was: I just used one system too long, and didn't use shifting. And that's why I started losing.

manblue, reread my post again

 

[tombee]

That sort of things sound very familiar, unfortunately I've had twice 7 times the same dozen in a row (the one I did not bet on) in 40 spins once. And I also believe I have got a screenshot somewhere of the same number coming up many times (6,7,8.. don't remember) in 20 spins along with the same dozen in almost all these spins.