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caruso

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bethug said:
I am a winner, now if you want to challenge put the money on the table and lets go

That's exactly the challenge :confused: :confused:. And it's not just toe-to-toe, it's ten times your stake. And it's not a "special programme" either, it's a simulator that runs hands fast, in addition to whatever extras enable the input of the additional parametres, such as your "game switch" requirement, or the cut-off at given win / loss targets. You seem to be suggesting that the challenge is unacceptable because Michael Shakelford may be running a "cheating" programme, which really is too weak to hold water!
 

bethug

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Caruso , has someone else tested the program and who made the program. I dont know that man. He gets paid from the casino. I have my proof screen shots, call out any micro casino or rtg casino and i will perform in real life. Call it out. Lets do this type of test. You call the casino out and put your money on the line. This is my test hood 101. If you dont believe i can win, put your money up.
 

caruso

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I would gladly put money AGAINST it alongside Michael's challenge, Damian.

Regarding "cheating": "If you feel I did not run an honest simulation, I will provide the source code and you can have your own experts challenge it."

This is as open as can be. If you thought the programme cheats, have a software expert you know examine it.

if anyone has an alternate way of contacting him let me know.

I have an address which is not listed on his site, but I won't give it out without his permission. I'm also mindful of the fact that he isn't tolerant of time-wasters and wouldn't thank me for sending him one, and I don't know how serious you came over in terms of putting up the $2000. If you really are interested, I can shoot off a tentative request for a more direct contact address. If you worded it vaguely, you can betcha he didn't respond.
 

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dominique said:
If I had a working betting system of any kind, I would never ever sell it to the public. I would happily amass a mountain of wealth instead of collecting a pittance from each person buying it.

It makes no sense to sell a good system. Hence, I don't trust any system whatsoever that is being offered for sale.

The only thing I trust is basic strategy, and perhaps some adjustments made to adapt to particular softwares.


What if while you are trying to amass a mountain of wealth, the casinos spotted you and you are no longer allowed in any casinos, online or otherwise. Now you have to sell your system to collect what you called pittance from everybody! :)
 

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caruso said:
I would gladly put money AGAINST it alongside Michael's challenge, Damian.

Regarding "cheating": "If you feel I did not run an honest simulation, I will provide the source code and you can have your own experts challenge it."

This is as open as can be. If you thought the programme cheats, have a software expert you know examine it.

With the wizard's setup he just cannot lose, there is no need for his software to cheat. There is no way any systems, with the initial deposit money and all the winnings generated from the deposit in continuous play til the end, will be able to win.

On the other hand if after I won something I pull out my deposit and half my winning, and play only the remaining half of that then I will never lose! Because my winning is now guaranteed!
 

bethug

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My challenge is call a casino out(micro viper or rtg), put up 1000 bucks. I double the money with out a bonus. yes or no caurso

First i am not wastiing no money paying no one to run test on his program,

If black take him up on his challenge that on him, i have proven my style of play has made me money.
 

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bethug said:
First i am not wastiing no money paying no one to run test on his program,

My understanding is that you don't pay the wizard for running his program. You pay only if you lose the challenge.
 

bpb

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bethug said:
My challenge is call a casino out(micro viper or rtg), put up 1000 bucks. I double the money with out a bonus. yes or no caurso

I think a 1 million hand simulation is a bit of better test of the value of a betting system than doubling through one buy in.

Do you see why?
 

caruso

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My understanding is that you don't pay the wizard for running his program.

Correct. And he pays TEN TIMES if he loses. 10 to one on a sure bet.

And they're not interested.

On the other hand if after I won something I pull out my deposit and half my winning, and play only the remaining half of that then I will never lose! Because my winning is now guaranteed!

Taking that to its logical conclusion: if everyone who gambled played only one hand then quit, then nearly 50% of all gamblers would be lifetime winners.

The problem is the other 50%+.
 

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bethug said:
i have proven my style of play has made me money.

That's patently absurd.You never really provided any kind of verifiable data that your system does beat the house.Expressing a concern about wizards test software credibility is really a lame way to go..... :rolleyes:
 

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gfkostas said:
That's patently absurd.You never really provided any kind of verifiable data that your system does beat the house.:

And Bethug never will, because he can't. Nobody can. Of course Bethug may be winning regularly in internet casinos but if he is it's because of bonuses pure and simple. If this is right why not just say so?

I have posted before that Bethug likes to portray himself as some sort of god who can change the universally accepted laws of probability at will. This god syndrome is a very well observed phenomenom. (Don't take it to heart Bethug most of the most successful commanders in history have suffered from it to some degree Napoleon, Alexander,Hitler, etc so you are in good company!) But if he is actually God why is he bothering to post on a public forum?

Can't see this post going anywhere as it is already heading for the 'yes I can, no you can't' scenario.

To paraphrase the Wiz "put up or shut up"

Mitch

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mitch said:
And Bethug never will, because he can't. Nobody can. Of course Bethug may be winning regularly in internet casinos but if he is it's because of bonuses pure and simple. If this is right why not just say so?

I have posted before that Bethug likes to portray himself as some sort of god who can change the universally accepted laws of probability at will. This god syndrome is a very well observed phenomenom. (Don't take it to heart Bethug most of the most successful commanders in history have suffered from it to some degree Napoleon, Alexander,Hitler, etc so you are in good company!) But if he is actually God why is he bothering to post on a public forum?

Can't see this post going anywhere as it is already heading for the 'yes I can, no you can't' scenario.

To paraphrase the Wiz "put up or shut up"

Mitch

"win don't gamble"


I agree.I have no problem with bethug but what he claims to do is simple impossible.I think he has stated before that he beats the landbased casinos as well :eek2:.Bethug big wins at times are a fluke.We should all stop reffering to hood3000 system as we spend 'energy' for something silly.
 

bethug

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gfkostas, define fluke, that means it happen a few times right, look at my screen shots, i bet one micro casino for a whole week, i bet con for a whole week, i blew up starluck casino for a few days, william hill, bodog, them the one i should u screen shots.

Right now i will take some good advice i gotten, I will help the people that wants my help, to the rest of you i will not. I am not a bonus hunter, i can bet the casino with out a bonus, i have proven that.

Why dont one of you put up a 1000 bucks, call out a micro viper casino and see if i dont perform>> if my hood system cant perform i will shut up plus give you 1000 bucks

I didnt nor black came in here saying anything , until question. Take me up on my challenge or hush.

Are there any takers :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Email me [email protected] or pm or post

Yes i win on land and online, i bet most casinos, i dont come in the casino with 20 bucks either, if i would play a million hand in sesssion most likey from being human i would lose, cause of being tried. no human can play a million hands in one sitting that crazy. playing over 100 is tiresome. lets be real.
 

sw2003

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You guys should just leave bethug alone! If he wins, he wins. He doesn't really have to prove it to anyone. If you believe, so be it and if you don't, that is fine too. If he doesn't want to do wizard's test, he doesn't do it. Wizard might not even bother to take him up even if he wants to. I am sure wizard wouldn't just take any one up who emailed him.

So people, let it go already!
 

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bethug said:
if i would play a million hand in sesssion most likey from being human i would lose, cause of being tried.


I love your posts. They're kind of like those where's waldo books. Instead of looking for the little dude in the goofy hat in the sea of people, you look for the totally asinine comments in a sea of misspellings and bad grammar.
 

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