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Betting On 16

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by lanidar, Jan 8, 2005.

    Jan 8, 2005
  1. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Avenel, New Jersey
    I have a question for you guys.
    While playing BJ you get a 10/J/Q/ or K and a 6.
    Do you bet?
    Now, what if you have multiple cards that total 16?
    Do you bet?
     
  2. Jan 8, 2005
  3. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    If you're question is do I hit? (Rather than "Do you bet") Yes I do John. Otherwise I don't understand the question "Do you bet?" Say Hi to the wife and boys. Have a good one.
     
  4. Jan 8, 2005
  5. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Actually, that's a pretty good question that I also interpreted to ask whether one should bet when you have 16 and the dealer's showing a face card.

    Cipher, though I have limited knowledge of how you play (from what I read here), would "seeding" or "dumping" have any effect on that decision?

    Unless I've misunderstood the basic concept of those two words ...
     
  6. Jan 8, 2005
  7. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

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    Actuallly...that's exactly what I meant by "bet".
    In either case, you're sayin that I should make the hit?
    It seems that when ever I hit, in either case I lose.

    Anyone know the odds on either play?

    The boys dumped BJ and are now playing Texas Hold 'Em.
    Matthew, as you may recall, is the bigger gambler of the two boys. Plus he's been playing a few months longer than Justin. Mid November to end of December Matthew net 22K+. That's not including the rake. Justin started to really get involved in December and he made $2500.00 plus the rake.

    I just started to play with their help a week ago.

    Hopefully, I'll be half as successful as my boys.

    Thanks for asking.
     
  8. Jan 8, 2005
  9. gfkostas

    gfkostas Ex-Bonus Whore

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    Do I hit when I have 3+ card 16 against 7,8,9,10???
     
  10. Jan 8, 2005
  11. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    It could, but just remember Mac that seeding and dumping is normally spawned by the lesser valued cards (A,2,3,4,5) so anything in the lower range is more than likely going to make (in this case) the dealers 6.

    Have a good one.
     
  12. Jan 8, 2005
  13. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Location:
    Pennsylvania, USA
    John - always hit a 2-card 16 vs 10 regardless of the number of decks or other rules. You'll be ahead in the long run if you do. Naturally, surrender the hand if you can. You can see the EV difference between hitting or standing for different decks and rules at You must register/login in order to see the link.

    There are lots of 3-or-more-card 16's that one should stand on rather than hit against 7,8,9 or 10 depending on the number of the decks and whether the dealer stands on soft 17 or not. Even multi-card 15's vs 10, especially in single-deck (555, 654, 663 - easy to remember because 3 cards you could use are gone). You can go to You must register/login in order to see the link. and plug in the decks and rules there to see the right play if you want and develop your own tables. Also Appendix 3 by the Wiz has a list for multi-card single and double-deck exceptions to Basic Strategy.

    For 8 decks some of the more common 3-card 16's vs 10 you should stand on are 952, 943, 87A, 853, 844, 772, 754, 655 & 105A. Yes, I get yelled at when I do this.

    All of this of course is off the top of a freshly shuffled deck(s).

    It's not like you'll get rich or anything making these plays :D
     
  14. Jan 8, 2005
  15. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

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    Thanks Clayman for all your help.
    It's appreciated :notworthy
     
  16. Jan 8, 2005
  17. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

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    Anytime - when you learn how to play poker as good as your boys, you can return the favor by teaching me! :thumbsup:
     
  18. Jan 8, 2005
  19. paul1

    paul1 Dormant account


    I can't see how it would ever be correct to stand on 16 v T off the top of a freshly shuffled 8-decker. Of course, I understand the strategy variations of single deck. Either way, a close play. But please point me to somewhere that says you should "stand on T5A off the top of an 8-decker." I'd like to see the support for your statement above, please. :confused:
     
  20. Jan 8, 2005
  21. paul1

    paul1 Dormant account

    Ok. I followed that link you provided. You must register/login in order to see the link.

    I know 16 v T is close but I never knew it was close enough that you should stand on 5542 v T at the top of an 8-decker. Thanks for the link. I think I'll play with that a bit. :)
     
  22. Jan 8, 2005
  23. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

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    Thank You for the complement... :thumbsup:

    My son Matthew graduated top of his class Univ.of Illinois ... 4.0 GPA. Kids a genius.
    Justin is still in college ... De Paul in Chicago. He's also, smart as a whip.
    Both boys read tons of books. They've been reading books on poker. They live together and share their knowledge.
    Blackjack and Poker put these two through college ... with the help of DAD, of course. :D

    Dad, will never be as smart as them ... but, it'll be decades before they're as wise as me.
     
  24. Jan 8, 2005
  25. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

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    We already knew that :lolup:

    Thanks for sharing details of your family here!
     
  26. Jan 8, 2005
  27. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

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    Pennsylvania, USA
    That's OK - my wife never believes a thing I say either! :lolup:

    I usually just stand at any positive running count and hit at any negative running count when I'm playing. And, like Lanidar says, no matter which way I guess, it's always wrong anyway :)
     
  28. Jan 8, 2005
  29. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

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    Ok...Ok....
    I know when I beat.... :D
     
  30. Jan 9, 2005
  31. paul1

    paul1 Dormant account


    wise as *I*
    :lolup:
     
  32. Jan 9, 2005
  33. paul1

    paul1 Dormant account

    Well I would have bet 100 bucks that it was not correct ever at the top of an 8-decker. But apparently I am WRONG AGAIN. :D

    Again, thanks for that link. I'm sure I will use that many times.

    I like Ian Anderson's idea on 16 v T, in his Burning The Tables. He always stands on it. ALWAYS. It makes him look like someone who doesn't even know Basic Strategy and then when he's betting small, it doesn't cost that much, but when he's betting big with a possitive count it is actually correct.
    Fascinating book.
     
  34. Jan 9, 2005
  35. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

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    I was born and raised in Brooklyn, N.Y.
    And in Brooklyn it's "wise as me". ;)
     
  36. Jan 9, 2005
  37. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

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    Don't feel bad - I would have lost my $100 too!

    That is a great book - I have to get another copy since my brother-in-law never returned mine.

    I liked that he always doubled a 10 vs 10 as a camouflage play for the reasons you mentioned. What pit boss wouldn't welcome his $100 minimum play with bozo plays like that? The cost of deviating from BS vs the expected gain in different plus counts with different bet multiples out is a very interesting area. If you are interested in that, Don Schlesinger is definitely the way to go. The guy is as nice as he is absolutely brilliant.
    He posts regularly at You must register/login in order to see the link. . Any "system" talk there is prohibited, thank heaven.
     
  38. Jan 9, 2005
  39. paul1

    paul1 Dormant account


    Well thanks again. I've been doing this internet thing for a few years but as you can see I'm still a newbie to it.

    I'll check that site out right away. What? No Martingales?
    :D
     

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