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[TheAddict]

3 slots. A chunk of your customer base might get bored or not like the slots and play just one session. Some might be on the negative end of the rtp swings and decide to stop playin them. The ones left, who don't lose too much, or do like them and play occasionally, probably aren't going to be drooling over the prospect of 2 new slots a few months down the line.
I think you are expecting alot of people to give up way too much off their time playing just 3 slots, when theres too many reasons for them not to want to do that, and endless varieties available elsewhere.
It's unrealistic IMO.

Wish you luck anyway.

 

[BetterValueCasino]

We will not offer hundreds or thousands of slot games, every set of games from different providers incurs more costs known as "minimums" which are monthly contractual charges which operators pay to have the provider's selection of games available to their players. If the players don't play the games, there are still usually monthly charges. Also, I am not prepared to run slots at eg 94%, 95% or even 96%. It's too easy then for players to lose too much money and end up short of money and depressed whilst enrichening large companies.

We're working on really exciting games, in my opinion. Please stop posting words to the effect of how boring our games are or will be, how everyone will leave us and go elsewhere, when I have given you very little information of what they are going to be like or what we've got in store for people. You don't have any insights into our games, just imagining a very boring experience, quite the opposite of what we will provide. Although there are only 3 roulette wheels at the moment, we are looking at the possibility of doing a software roulette, the maximum stake per spin will be much lower than the live dealer wheels.

 

[paul7388]

We will not offer hundreds or thousands of slot games, every set of games from different providers incurs more costs known as "minimums" which are monthly contractual charges which operators pay to have the provider's selection of games available to their players. If the players don't play the games, there are still usually monthly charges. Also, I am not prepared to run slots at eg 94%, 95% or even 96%. It's too easy then for players to lose too much money and end up short of money and depressed whilst enrichening large companies.

We're working on really exciting games, in my opinion. Please stop posting words to the effect of how boring our games are or will be, how everyone will leave us and go elsewhere, when I have given you very little information of what they are going to be like or what we've got in store for people. You don't have any insights into our games, just imagining a very boring experience, quite the opposite of what we will provide. Although there are only 3 roulette wheels at the moment, we are looking at the possibility of doing a software roulette, the maximum stake per spin will be much lower than the live dealer wheels.

No disrespect when you say to the members here to stop posting negative comments.
Its a forum so people will reply. And they have tried to be helpful telling you there is no way possible you can run a successful casino with 4 roulette wheels and 3 slots at higher than 96% RTP.

Anybody including the Rep's from successful casinos will tell you the same.

But you don't seem to listen. Of you are indeed getting advice then the advice is poor. But will let you get on with it. If i did not think you actually are trying this I would have took all your comments as a wind up lol.

 

[itsme123]

I would have thought that with only a few slots you will find it very hard to retain players. Most slot players i know like to have a core of maybe 10 slots that they keep on going back to and tbh if they only have the choice of 3 slots or maybe a max of 5 they will get bored very soon.
You also say you wont run lower RTP's, I think you are maybe over estimating how many players know about RTP and the effects, this site proves it as there are still people on here who have been around the block and never knew what RTP even meant until they joined the forum.
As a matter of interest, what is your player retention plan/strategy?

 

[Jono777]

Just 1 slot with an RTP of 200% and nobody else playing it would suit me just fine

 

[removedbyrequest-20240904]

Eh, for what it's worth when brands tell their end users to effect: "don't tell us how to run our business", in response to constructive feedback from said end users... It hardly motivates me to try out said brand; quite the opposite.

Good luck, hopefully it works out for you because you sound like you have honest intentions as an operation. Might follow from the side and see how it plays out in the future.

 

[dunover]

Just 1 slot with an RTP of 200% and nobody else playing it would suit me just fine

You leave my BONANZA alone!

 

[jasonuk]

Please stop posting words to the effect of how boring our games are or will be, how everyone will leave us and go elsewhere, when I have given you very little information of what they are going to be like or what we've got in store for people.

This is straying into strawman territory.

People said that 3 games doesn't provide much variety - any individual player will have different tastes at different times, and I agree with @itsme123's comment about people having ten "go to" games.

Also they didn't say they would leave you - they said it wouldn't be enough to attract them in the first place... the regulated UK market is incredibly busy, and sites much bigger than yours have withdrawn in recent years because they couldn't make it anymore.

It's entirely possible they are the most exciting slots in the world, heaven knows we need more variety given most of the 200+ studios seem to be chasing the same half a dozen themes right now. But you have to get them through the door first to sell them on that...

As always, the feedback is free, so take it or leave it. The community is full of people who have worked in the industry, have been affiliates, have played for years or even decades... so if there's a common opinion forming that you disagree with then of course there's an element of "I can prove everyone wrong", and maybe we've all missed the opportunity and you can come back in a year or two with a smile on your face that you were right.

... or, that's years of experience talking, and there's a reason people haven't done what you are doing. I guess time will tell.

 

[BetterValueCasino]

We're working on really exciting games, in my opinion. Please stop posting words to the effect of how boring our games are or will be, how everyone will leave us and go elsewhere, when I have given you very little information of what they are going to be like or what we've got in store for people.

I don't mind people giving advice, opinions and ideas, welcome that. But with reference to recent posts, I think I was completely entitled to post what I have quoted above.

Having said that, developments over the weekend:- there is the possibility now of there being 7 slots at launch, and not 5 but a dozen or more, within a few months of launch. So I have listened, and I am doing my best to make the offers available more appealing still. Made possible because we have been contacted by a professional slots producer, in my opinion they're brilliant but not very well known yet, and they agree with our ethos of higher RTP's. Sorry it's not hundreds, but I hope 7 will be an improvement.

 

[L&L-Jan]

incurs more costs known as "minimums"

Those can be waived

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Those can be waived

To paraphrase a great Blancmange song 'Waivers,and then goodbye...'

 

[L&L-Jan]

Anybody including the Rep's from successful casinos will tell you the same.

Not sure about @Mark_Lottomart but I have not received one question neither when I left a comment about Paypal chargebacks, that should raise some questions imo. Mark and me with over 30 years of experience in the industry operating casinos with a focus on the UK, would be some peeps to ask questions to if you would ask me. My 2 cents, besides a lot of other thoughts

 

[BetterValueCasino]

A slot game with spins once every 4 seconds with £1 a spin being staked with an RTP of 96% is making 1 pence a second, per player on mean average of all players +/- considerable variance. £36/hour player loss +/- considerable variance. A slot game with spins once every 4 seconds with £0.40 a spin being staked with an RTP of 96% is making almost half a penny a second on mean average.

When the RTP is 94% then 1 and a half pence per second, at £1 a spin, £54/hour player loss. When you add up all the players playing simultaneously you are looking at enormous sums of money being lost at RTP's which are at existing typical percentages.

This situation is not sustainable with that much profit being taken and what do the players get in exchange? Big wins are hardly useful or life changing to any extent whatsoever to the players when they lose great wins almost immediately after winning them, say the very next day. It's like loans of money given at random moments, paid back with more than a very big randomised interest rate. Nothing is being achieved for the player, their money being received from them in exchange for flashing sprites and hypnotic music and false hope generation, with very rare exceptions. This is not how slot games should be.

And they have tried to be helpful telling you there is no way possible you can run a successful casino with 4 roulette wheels and 3 slots at higher than 96% RTP.

Anybody including the Rep's from successful casinos will tell you the same.

 

[Jono777]

A slot game with spins once every 4 seconds with £1 a spin being staked with an RTP of 96% is making 1 pence a second, per player on mean average of all players +/- considerable variance. £36/hour player loss +/- considerable variance. A slot game with spins once every 4 seconds with £0.40 a spin being staked with an RTP of 96% is making almost half a penny a second on mean average.

When the RTP is 94% then 1 and a half pence per second, at £1 a spin, £54/hour player loss. When you add up all the players playing simultaneously you are looking at enormous sums of money being lost at RTP's which are at existing typical percentages.

This situation is not sustainable with that much profit being taken and what do the players get in exchange? Big wins are hardly useful or life changing to any extent whatsoever to the players when they lose great wins almost immediately after winning them, say the very next day. It's like loans of money given at random moments, paid back with more than a very big randomised interest rate. Nothing is being achieved for the player, their money being received from them in exchange for flashing sprites and hypnotic music and false hope generation, with very rare exceptions. This is not how slot games should be.

So very true in this day and age.

Sadly this is now the industry 'norm' shouldn't be but it is. Any operator not applying this new 'norm' will struggle.

 

[paul7388]

A slot game with spins once every 4 seconds with £1 a spin being staked with an RTP of 96% is making 1 pence a second, per player on mean average of all players +/- considerable variance. £36/hour player loss +/- considerable variance. A slot game with spins once every 4 seconds with £0.40 a spin being staked with an RTP of 96% is making almost half a penny a second on mean average.

When the RTP is 94% then 1 and a half pence per second, at £1 a spin, £54/hour player loss. When you add up all the players playing simultaneously you are looking at enormous sums of money being lost at RTP's which are at existing typical percentages.

This situation is not sustainable with that much profit being taken and what do the players get in exchange? Big wins are hardly useful or life changing to any extent whatsoever to the players when they lose great wins almost immediately after winning them, say the very next day. It's like loans of money given at random moments, paid back with more than a very big randomised interest rate. Nothing is being achieved for the player, their money being received from them in exchange for flashing sprites and hypnotic music and false hope generation, with very rare exceptions. This is not how slot games should be.

Not sure why you quoted me on that.

But what the hell I will make a reply. I am fully aware how RTP works but from your posts I'm not as sure you do.

No disrespect here but I've played slots online daily for over 25 years. And gambled regularly for 37 years I'd like to think I had an idea what interests people.

Take your money making machine. To even make so much an hour to even think about being financially viable would take a lot of players. As for the 4 second thing you quote. If players get a bonus the rounds can last for ages so they aren't spinning every 4 seconds.

Also say you launched slots at 98%. What's to say those same slots don't take ages to average out. They could be being say 120% on average for a while. Again no money getting made.

But none of this is relevant. I'd live to see you making a success of it but tou don't seem to understand. Why would any player leave a regular casino with thousands of slots and live games to go somewhere that has about 10 games. They won't. And most new players have saw others playing or heard of sites with great selections. Why would they choose yours with nothing to offer. Even searching new casinos it would take a long time to get your casino anywhere near the top of search pages for casinos.

Yeah I know you will say all negative but it's honest and fact. But yet again good luck.

 

[satchnz]

Another thing you may wish to note - if I came across your casino and saw it only had a handful of slots I’d never seen before, from a provider I’ve never heard of before, I’d be questioning the legitimacy of the casino. For this reason alone I’d move on. I’m not saying everyone would do the same, but I’m sure I wouldn’t be the only one to think this.

 

[Webzcas]

I remember this thread when it was first created at the beginning of last year. I really never thought this would ever get off the ground and was a wind up at best. No disrespect to you, but is this really for real and not one big wind up??

 

[paul7388]

I remember this thread when it was first created at the beginning of last year. I really never thought this would ever get off the ground and was a wind up at best. No disrespect to you, but is this really for real and not one big wind up??

That's what I keep wondering which is why I mentioned it earlier.

Keep hoping it is a wind up for the OP's sake as it will never take off .

 

[johnnymcc1966]

A slot game with spins once every 4 seconds with £1 a spin being staked with an RTP of 96% is making 1 pence a second, per player on mean average of all players +/- considerable variance. £36/hour player loss +/- considerable variance. A slot game with spins once every 4 seconds with £0.40 a spin being staked with an RTP of 96% is making almost half a penny a second on mean average.

When the RTP is 94% then 1 and a half pence per second, at £1 a spin, £54/hour player loss. When you add up all the players playing simultaneously you are looking at enormous sums of money being lost at RTP's which are at existing typical percentages.

This situation is not sustainable with that much profit being taken and what do the players get in exchange? Big wins are hardly useful or life changing to any extent whatsoever to the players when they lose great wins almost immediately after winning them, say the very next day. It's like loans of money given at random moments, paid back with more than a very big randomised interest rate. Nothing is being achieved for the player, their money being received from them in exchange for flashing sprites and hypnotic music and false hope generation, with very rare exceptions. This is not how slot games should be.

With respect mate,I don't think most gamblers really care about all that if the game looks poorly made,plays clunky or offers no excitement to the punter. It's why the big casinos are still raking it in.
I still hope things turn out well for you and I will give it a go with my regular £10 but it sounds like plenty of work is still needed to compete with the big boys and girls.

 

[BetterValueCasino]

If you are worried about being put off by the fact that the games are not well known, are much higher RTP than typical, and don't take a lot of money with nothing to show for it, then please note you will be given free spins to try them. There is huge excitement in aim, and the games being made are not being poorly made. I have invested a 5-digit figure of my own money so far, and will continue to work hard on the project, and sincerely hope we can launch a year later than had been originally planned, in December 2024.

 

[itsme123]

Whats your player retention strategy?

 

[BetterValueCasino]

Whats your player retention strategy?

Hi itsme123, thanks for asking again, I'm sorry I didn't answer the first time.

Customer retention is really important, I'd prefer not to divulge any details whatsoever at the moment about this on the public forum in advance of opening. We certainly want to provide an excellent service that people will really like and want to come back to.

I have a zoom meeting to attend in less than 20 minutes time which will last up to an hour, I can log back into this forum in a few hours time. I will then see if there's any posts or questions I haven't responded to whether new or previous. Have a great evening everyone.

 

[SlotsGuy]

I have a very strong feeling this entire thread is one big wind-up, it seems many have fallen for it. To be honest it's the most entertaining discussion I've read on any website in years.

Please keep going 'Mr Better Value'!

 

[Jono777]

I think it is genuine and wish them nothing but the very best of luck moving forward.

I'll happily risk a tenner to start with, especially if there are FS up for grabs

Oh, No UK - My bad

 

[SlotsGuy]

I think it is genuine and wish them nothing but the very best of luck moving forward.

I'll happily risk a tenner to start with, especially if there are FS up for grabs

Oh, No UK - My bad

I just couldn't trust it, I don't even trust 99% of the big casino brands out there lol

I was thinking earlier how much I would love to see a new style casino which featured all the old 90's'early 00's British arcade slots..You know the ones Eastenders, Big Breakfast, Tuppeny Nudge, Rollercoaster, Crystal Maze with the cost per bet not exceeding say 20p.

Ahh I could only dream.