Betsson demands private financial information about me

[Jasminebed]

And come next year, those players who reside in the EU will be getting a rude wake up call. After April 2016, casinos licensed and or operating in the EU will be required to ask where their players funds are coming from. So you, as a player, will be sending in not only your IDs and phone bills, but declaring what your occupation is and what is your source of income. Some players may not have an issue with this, but I have a feeling that many will. It's far too intrusive - many gamblers are protective about their identities. It's another example of a ridiculous nanny-state that we're in.

The relevant part from Bryan's report.

I think I'm going to go bump that thinking about quitting thread.

 

[Mr Wild]

I bet the casinos hate this even more than the players. Because the casinos are forced to do it, even do they know they will lose big business on it. Plus a lot of unnecessary confrontations with irritated players.

 

[Jasminebed]

I bet the casinos hate this even more than the players. Because the casinos are forced to do it, even do they know they will lose big business on it. Plus a lot of unnecessary confrontations with irritated players.

And if this legislation is brought into effect on one day for all casinos, imagine the backlog that will be created.

Maybe all sites should start sending out notices now and asking players to voluntarily submit them before needed "as to prevent disappointment with delays due to high volume" or something along those lines.

 

[Tirilej]

And if this legislation is brought into effect on one day for all casinos, imagine the backlog that will be created.

Maybe all sites should start sending out notices now and asking players to voluntarily submit them before needed "as to prevent disappointment with delays due to high volume" or something along those lines.

If I understood it correctly then not all players would be asked. Just those that made large deposits during a certain timeframe according to MrWild.
Also if the casino are seing something suspicious I guess.
I doubt any casino will ask me, especially not those where I have played at the last years.

We'll find out soon enough I guess but I refuse to get upset until I know.

 

[Jasminebed]

If I understood it correctly then not all players would be asked. Just those that made large deposits during a certain timeframe according to MrWild.
Also if the casino are seing something suspicious I guess.
I doubt any casino will ask me, especially not those where I have played at the last years.

We'll find out soon enough I guess but I refuse to get upset until I know.

In the course of searching to find the skrill thread a couple of days ago, I came across a KYC forum when searching for Source of Wealth. One operator was asking about this for a "low risk" customer that listed "property and inheritance" and what proof of this to ask for.

Another member of that forum said even if a customer spends $2 (or maybe it was two euros) they want to know.

Over the years, most of my tenants have paid me in cash, or made a deposit of cash themselves into my bank account. I'm too small a landlord to set up direct deposit options for me.

A close personal friend and online gambler is a waitress. She often will come home and make a deposit based on her night's tips to unwind at 3 am.

 

[Tirilej]

In the course of searching to find the skrill thread a couple of days ago, I came across a KYC forum when searching for Source of Wealth. One operator was asking about this for a "low risk" customer that listed "property and inheritance" and what proof of this to ask for.

Another member of that forum said even if a customer spends $2 (or maybe it was two euros) they want to know.

Over the years, most of my tenants have paid me in cash, or made a deposit of cash themselves into my bank account. I'm too small a landlord to set up direct deposit options for me.

A close personal friend and online gambler is a waitress. She often will come home and make a deposit based on her night's tips to unwind at 3 am.

Also it's not only casinos that will do this. It's companies all over Europe.

I do get your concerns, but in some ways I still think it's humans who works at casinos, and they are allowed to make up their own minds about customers.
What is scary for them is if you should be convicted for money laundring later and they haven't done a proper check, then they have to pay for it too.

Maybe some rep could be asked to post what they think, or you could ask someone in private. This thread was about Betsson so maybe we could ask him.

 

[cnichas]

Perhaps the plot thickens

I bet the casinos hate this even more than the players. Because the casinos are forced to do it, even do they know they will lose big business on it. Plus a lot of unnecessary confrontations with irritated players.

I Agree , the casinos are going to find this just as much a headache as us players as it would more than likely detour fresh player singups, looks to me to be a kind of assault on the industry , maybe slowing it's growth down for whatever reason
But that's my conspiracy theory thinking maybe getting carried away
If this intrusive KYC procedure picks up momentum then one is certain Bitcoin casinos will certainly capitalize over this issue

 

[Jasminebed]

Seriously, all merchants? Are they trying to sink the EU? Purchasing accommodation for a trip can easily exceed that. Want a new computer? A camping trailer? Time for new appliances? Looking for that ring to finally pop the question?

I actually have less problem providing it to casinos that face some regulation rather than all and sundry merchants. Look at the data breaches even at major retailers over the past few years.

So let's say I wholesale auto parts. Do I simply refuse to sell if I suspect criminal activity? Or do I report it somewhere?

 

[Tirilej]

Seriously, all merchants? Are they trying to sink the EU? Purchasing accommodation for a trip can easily exceed that. Want a new computer? A camping trailer? Time for new appliances? Looking for that ring to finally pop the question?

I actually have less problem providing it to casinos that face some regulation rather than all and sundry merchants. Look at the data breaches even at major retailers over the past few years.

So let's say I wholesale auto parts. Do I simply refuse to sell if I suspect criminal activity? Or do I report it somewhere?

No, not all merchants. Just some who deals with larger sums. Cars, banks, casinos etc. But it will not affect everyone.

I did find this and I'm trying to get some clearer answers now.
CDD by casinos where customers wish to place a stake or collect winnings of at least €2,000

You can read about it all over the net. I just want to know if all customers will be checked when they make a bet or cashout of that amount, or if it's just new customers? Can casinos judge by themselves if they are suspecting something, or are they forced to check everyone?

Betsson seems to have started a bit early.

 

[fiormal]

"solved"

"Thank you for your patience while we were investigating.

I am glad to confirm that your recent withdrawal of $*** has been approved today in the morning. The money is on it way to your account. I apologise that the verification process has taken longer than you expected.

At the same time our Security Team has decided to permanently close your account therefore you won't be able to continue playing at Betsson."

 

[gambledor]

in todays casino and sportsbetting enviroment everyone will get under close suveillance because most countries have strict money laundering laws. and thats properbly why casinos request these documents

 

[lord flashheart]

There is a new EU directive that is coming into force this year in a couple of months.

Any online business not only online casinos need to know the source of funds when gambling over a certain amount. These questions will become more frequent from casinos after the summer.

I think the Germans are already doing it. I regularly order clothes from a shop in Germany and had to do a full bookie style KYC when paying via credit card!!!

 

[b3b44]

Not only casino's demand it my ewallet demanded it also (Neteller) And if you dont provide your account will be suspended aswell