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Your Input Please Betat warned by UKGC?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by asadzareef89, Mar 3, 2016.

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    Mar 3, 2016
  1. asadzareef89

    asadzareef89 Meister Member MM

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    Anyone else noticed this warning on Betat UKGC license, I just noticed this yesterday and I'm surprised i haven't read about this on CM(Shocked lol!)

    So is this something that should be worrying?

    Status: Warning with conditions attached

    Decision Date:

    Thursday, September 17, 2015

    Details:

    Remote Casino and Remote Linked Gambling Software operating licences

    Following a licence review, the Commission decided that it was appropriate to give NRR Entertainment Limited, trading as BETAT (The Licensee), a warning and impose a condition on its licence under section 117(1)(a) and (b) of the Gambling Act 2005. The reason for this decision was because the Licensee had breached conditions of its licence by failing to submit a security audit and regulatory returns when required, and also by failing to comply with a condition of its licence relating to specified management offices as it had failed to ensure that holders of personal management licenses (PMLs) occupied the specified management offices. The condition attached to the licence requires the Licensee to ensure that the specified management office for its gambling regulatory compliance is occupied by the holder of a PML who does not occupy any of the Licensee’s other specified management offices. In reaching its view, the Commission took account of the action the Licensee had taken to address the Commission’s concerns throughout the review.

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  3. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Educated guess time, apologies if totally wrong.

    Firstly I don't think BetAt have done anything wrong!

    May explain a part of it, full answer I have no idea but I DO trust them 100%

    Quite possible that they missed a UKGC deadline due to their horrid DDos attack and the UKGC took a 'no excuse' policy hence the warning as described.

    Just a though nothing more
     
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  5. asadzareef89

    asadzareef89 Meister Member MM

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    I agree with you and also trust Betat/slotty 100% else I wouldn't play there

    That was also my first thought that it must have been because of the Ddos attacks because they were attacked round about that time

    My only shock was that it hasn't been picked up by anyone on here where everyone is normally very quick for picking up on things like this
     
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  7. gagamel

    gagamel Professional smurf hunter MM

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    The ddos attack was on December 4th. Just for your information.

    I`m not a big fan of Betat Casino. They were great in the beginning but after being accredited and won some prices they lost the "spirit" of CM.

    But that`s only my opinion. And yes, I know they pay and there is nothing to worry about playing at Betat.
     
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  8. Mar 3, 2016
  9. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Actually a security audit failure is quite serious and possibly would have involved revocation of license, but I concur that the DDOS was mitigation for that, plus first offence. The PML issue is a separation of UK business from overseas, with no duplicity.

    ALSO 10BET IS FAR MORE WORRYING:

    Following a licence review, the Commission decided that it was appropriate to give 10Bet Limited, trading as ‘10 Bet’ (the licensee), a warning under section 117(1)(a) of the Gambling Act 2005 (the Act). The reason for this is that the licensee failed to comply with Section 331 of the Act by allowing foreign advertising on the 10Bet.co.uk website. The Commission’s findings included that the licensee failed to notify the Commission of the relocation of remote gambling equipment from Great Britain and failed to surrender its casino entitlement to its combined remote operating licence as required under the part 2 specific condition of its operating licence. The licensee was also found to be in breach of the Commission’s remote gambling and software standards (RTS) in allowing a customer to increase a customer led limit without the required 24 hour cooling off period. The casino entitlement of the licensee’s combined remote operating licence was subsequently surrendered, and assurances given as to future compliance with the conditions of its licence. In all the circumstances, the Commission therefore felt that a warning was sufficient.

    This one is quite bad as it seems to involve a relocation of game servers outside UK jurisdiction and still allowing UK players to use them.
    The responsible gaming issue is shocking IMO and they should have had their license revoked for that alone. Shows what a load of greedy money-grabbing shits some of these operators really are. Of course, while raising money for the govt. punishments are token and a slight bollocking seems to suffice - don't be surprised at another Purple Lounge under the limp-wristed paper tiger that is the UKGC.
     
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  11. asadzareef89

    asadzareef89 Meister Member MM

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    Sadly, that was the second serious Ddos attack on them in december, they had one before that which i don't remember the date exactly but would have been around August/September
     
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  13. JackTenOff

    JackTenOff Webmaster webmeister

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    I'm surprised the cooloff period is only 24 hours. Most decent bookmakers seem to extend that a fair bit.
     
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  15. fun4all

    fun4all Senior Member

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    Thanks for the heads up. Any casino who wilfully breaks regulations like that should be avoided in my opinion. I would not play there, or at the other place.

    Have no doubt a public warning is serious and the breaches must have been significant to warrant the UKGC publishing this. I do not trust bet at with my money. Why play there when others like guts, 32red, superlenny actually abide by regulations and treat customers with respect :thumbsup:
     
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  17. fun4all

    fun4all Senior Member

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    Hey dunover is that from the UKGC website? When I go to there and search 10bet I find the entry for them and it is all correct but it has no warning attached? Have you got a link or directions for a search. I go here and see no warning

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    Rereading the BET AT warning is funny. It is healthy that the UKGC is finally stamping down on cowboy activity. I wonder what the condition imposed on them is.
     
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  19. itsover2014

    itsover2014 Experienced Member

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    Not seen a warning before on one of the UK licenses. Hopefully the rep will explain
     
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  21. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    I can't understand why anyone would get upset by a warning.
    It simply mean that ukgc are doing their job checking the casinos, and it keep them on their toes.

    I will react when a license is removed.
     
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  23. jjezebel37

    jjezebel37 Meister Member mm1

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    Have to agree with this.
    It does show that UKGC are doing their job and in the long run, it's protecting us players.
     
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  25. interlog

    interlog Senior Member MM webmeister

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    I'd think that the casino rather not have a warning on file if it had a choice :eek:
     
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  27. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    I very much doubt that BET_AT would be misleading to UKGC , as others have said its more than likely down to the timing of the DDOS attack , if there's a group of casinos i would trust this place is one of them.

    Maybe one of the reps may chime in.

    Anyways its a good thing to see that UKGC is checking out & showing the info , always make it better for the players.
     
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  29. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    I didn't mention anything about how the casino might feel so no need to quote me to state something obvious ;)
     
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  31. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    somebody not had there porridge this morning :p
     
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  33. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

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    Good catch by the way. :thumbsup:
     
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  35. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Morning? When did you get up today?:p

    No, I just felt like what I said was questioned with no reason :)
     
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  37. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    guys&girls, calm down ;)

    I have been in touch with Karl and Igor, they know about this and there is a simple explanation for it. Nothing to worry about.

    Igor will make a statement the soon he can do it.
     
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  39. interlog

    interlog Senior Member MM webmeister

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    What makes you think I questioned you?
     
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