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unhappy

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I just played bet365 for the first time because i see there an accredited Casino here. So upon playing i noticed that the slot limits were 1 cent, 2 cent, 5 cent and 10 cents which i thought was weird considering every other playtech casino i played at was 1 cent up to 5 dollars max on slots. So I asked customer service why is that here the limits are so low ,they told me it was a management decision and that once you advance as a vip customer your limits will be raised. Then i asked the question so if the limits are set lower does that mean the odds are better than other playtech casino that there limits are higher. They replied no there the same. Now is it just me or is there something wrong with this picture. Almost every other playtech casinos slot limits are higher and you dont have to be a vip to have them, yet at bet365 you have to be a vip player to get the same limit [which basically means you have lose first to get limits raised] . So really bet365 is saying is the more you play or in other words the more you lose, you move up in vip status, then you get higher limits. It's hard enough winning at any playtech casino let alone having to play alot to get your limits raised to limits that other playtech casinos give normally. This is not counting the ridiculuos wagering requirements they have 100 times. And you can say well dont take the bonus and your right but industry standards are around 20 to 30 times not a 100 or 200, like bet365. I emailed playtech about this issue and see if i get a response.I'm just getting sick and tired of online casinos doing every in there power to adjust the odds in there favor even[not like they don't have the odds already] more just so they don't have pay anything. And of course i got zilch playing as usual. It's not even fun playing anymore, I give up.
 

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I just played bet360 for the first time because i see there an accredited Casino here. So upon playing i noticed that the slot limits were 1 cent, 2 cent, 5 cent and 10 cents which i thought was weird considering every other playtech casino i played at was 1 cent up to 5 dollars max on slots. So I asked customer service why is that here the limits are so low ,they told me it was a management decision and that once you advance as a vip customer your limits will be raised. Then i asked the question so if the limits are set lower does that mean the odds are better than other playtech casino that there limits are higher. They replied no there the same. Now is it just me or is there something wrong with this picture. Almost every other playtech casinos slot limits are higher and you dont have to be a vip to have them, yet at bet365 you have to be a vip player to get the same limit [which basically means you have lose first to get limits raised] . So really bet365 is saying is the more you play or in other words the more you lose, you move up in vip status, then you get higher limits. It's hard enough winning at any playtech casino let alone having to play alot to get your limits raised to limits that other playtech casinos give normally. This is not counting the ridiculuos wagering requirements they have 100 times. And you can say well dont take the bonus and your right but industry standards are around 20 to 30 times not a 100 or 200, like bet365. I emailed playtech about this issue and see if i get a response.I'm just getting sick and tired of online casinos doing every in there power to adjust the odds in there favor even[not like they don't have the odds already] more just so they don't have pay anything. And of course i got zilch playing as usual. It's not even fun playing anymore, I give up.


Hello :)

This is standard practice to my knowledge . Playtech casinos uses different limits, and I can not see anything wrong with that. It is quite normal that your bet limit increases when your VIP level goes up. But, I have only seen this on games like blackjack, roulette etc. There is a chance that Bet365 has a low max bet on the games you have chosen to play. Differen Playtech casinos has different max bets on slots. Especially on high risk slots.

Something about bet limits:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/42573-high-risk-slots.html

You bet size has nothing to do about your odds of winning, so it is not necessary to accuse bet365 for unfair practice.

For example, Great Blue (high risk slot). The max bet limit is higher at Bet365 than at Centrebet. So it goes both ways.
 

unhappy

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Hello :)

This is standard practice to my knowledge . Playtech casinos uses different limits, and I can not see anything wrong with that. It is quite normal that your bet limit increases when your VIP level goes up. But, I have only seen this on games like blackjack, roulette etc. There is a chance that Bet365 has a low max bet on the games you have chosen to play. Differen Playtech casinos has different max bets on slots. Especially on high risk slots.

Something about bet limits:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/42573-high-risk-slots.html

You bet size has nothing to do about your odds of winning, so it is not necessary to accuse bet365 for unfair practice.

I'm sorry to say yes it does have something to do with it. A slot is designed to know how much is being bet. And this is the first time i've heard of you have to be vip to get limits raised ,not one mg casino i know of that has this rule.Yes im talking about all their slots are 10 cent max per line and my point being that if thats the case why would anybody wanna play there when they can go to anyother playtech casino had have a 2 max perline bet without being a vip member.
 

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I'm sorry to say yes it does have something to do with it. A slot is designed to know how much is being bet. And this is the first time i've heard of you have to be vip to get limits raised ,not one mg casino i know of that has this rule.Yes im talking about all their slots are 10 cent max per line and my point being that if thats the case why would anybody wanna play there when they can go to anyother playtech casino had have a 2 max perline bet without being a vip member.

Okey, then we must agree to disagree :)
 

Da_Gambla

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A slot is designed to know how much is being bet.

This is not accurate. A slot has no idea what you bet, in terms of when it should payoff. Your bet only comes into play when a winning combo is hit and an actual payout needs to be calculated.

Payout and payoff are two different things. Payoff (any win or a jackpot) does not require knowledge of a bet amount, a payout (return) does. Slot machines have no memory, so therefore do not change in behaviour depending on what your balance is, what you've played through so far, or how much your current bet was.

Minimums and maximums are set by each individual casino. It's up to you to agree with those limits, or take your business elsewhere. If enough people opt to vote with their deposits, the company will have to change their practices or go out of business. Saying you expect something because "it's the industry standard" is just simply your expectation and does not imply foul play necessarily. In this case, there really isn't an 'industry standard', and there likely wouldn't be one if the industry were to be fully regulated. These limits are what this storefront is comfortable offering, period.

- Keith
 

Jasminebed

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It's been quite some time since I joined Bet365, but are you sure it's that you are a VIP player, or a verified player? There were limits on your first deposit as I recall, and I was snail-mailed a verification code that I had to enter before making a second deposit.

Also, don't forget that 10 cents is a coin denomination, and you can bet multiple coins per line on most slots.

Bet365's initial match bonus is the only 100% bonus I think I've got from them, and it doesn't have a max cashout. I'm sure they are trying to protect themselves from advantage play on their initial offer. It's late here and I'm not going to go read all the T&C's, but it's quite common for bets to be restricted to a percent of the bonus awarded. Often such bets are permitted by softwares and players find what they thought were winnings voided for breach T&C's.

Please keep in mind that VIP status is also not based on your wins or losses, but on your play.

I'm happy overall with Bet365, and find them quick to pay and very professional to deal with.
 

unhappy

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This is not accurate. A slot has no idea what you bet, in terms of when it should payoff. Your bet only comes into play when a winning combo is hit and an actual payout needs to be calculated.

Payout and payoff are two different things. Payoff (any win or a jackpot) does not require knowledge of a bet amount, a payout (return) does. Slot machines have no memory, so therefore do not change in behaviour depending on what your balance is, what you've played through so far, or how much your current bet was.

Minimums and maximums are set by each individual casino. It's up to you to agree with those limits, or take your business elsewhere. If enough people opt to vote with their deposits, the company will have to change their practices or go out of business. Saying you expect something because "it's the industry standard" is just simply your expectation and does not imply foul play necessarily. In this case, there really isn't an 'industry standard', and there likely wouldn't be one if the industry were to be fully regulated. These limits are what this storefront is comfortable offering, period.

- Keith

well i can tell you that a casino did tell me that the wager amount i bet per spin does matter , so what your saying is at a norma; playtech where on gladiator you can bet as little as 25 cents per spin and as much much 1250 dollars per spin so are you telling me that if you had 200 spins of each that you would be paid exactly the same hits as on 1250 dollars as to 25 cents i highly doubt it. Ruby fotune casino told that the higher my bet per spin is less chance to hit. so now im confused.|Basiclly i agree with your statement I shouldn't play their ,what i said in my first thread compares to the rest of the field and there way out of the park . and thats my opinion
 

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A slot machine, be it online or B&M, does NOT have the capability to payout differently on a higher bet amount than it would on a lower bet amount.

To argue against this is ludicrous.

The machine has no idea what you are betting. The only reason it is there in the first place is to show you what your bet is, and to take that amount into consideration when a winning combination is revealed. Other than that, the only things that happens when you press "Spin" is this:

1. The machine stops the RNG at the next randomly generated number, which determines the result of the spin.

2. The result is calculated in the machine, and tells the reels to begin spinning to the proper place.

3. If there is a pay to be awarded, the machine finds the correct payout in the paytable and multiplies it by the credits bet on that particular line. It then pays the credits to the winner.

4. If there is no pay, the machine waits for its next instruction.

To say there is any difference in these 4 steps for higher bets is not right. Otherwise, the casino could set the payouts to only pay on pennies and not pay a thing on high bets. This is not a good (or practical) decision, as people would take notice and take their business elsewhere, especially high rollers.

Slot machines are designed to make you (eventually) lose. You take notice of a big loss way sooner than a small one.

The main message: Be responsible with your bets, and don't throw caution to the wind. It will ease the pain of a loss much sooner than an "all-or-nothing"-type session.
 

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well i can tell you that a casino did tell me that the wager amount i bet per spin does matter , so what your saying is at a norma; playtech where on gladiator you can bet as little as 25 cents per spin and as much much 1250 dollars per spin so are you telling me that if you had 200 spins of each that you would be paid exactly the same hits as on 1250 dollars as to 25 cents i highly doubt it. Ruby fotune casino told that the higher my bet per spin is less chance to hit. so now im confused.|Basiclly i agree with your statement I shouldn't play their ,what i said in my first thread compares to the rest of the field and there way out of the park . and thats my opinion

Sorry unhappy but you are mistaken.

You can either choose to listen and learn from those who know, or continue to insist that everyone else is wrong and you are right.

Da _Gambla tried to explain it to you. We are here to help others become better informed about gambling and maybe help you win more often so take advantage of the free advice.
 

Da_Gambla

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It then pays the credits to the winner.

According to another post, in case you aren't following it, the term 'winner' can only be associated with a payment that exceeds your wager. You will need to modify this in the future to:

It then pays the credits to the winner if the amount credited is a profit, or the player if it is anything less than a profit.

I know it's a PITA, but within about 80 years or so, we should have all these bad habits cured, one player at a time.

Thanks! :thumbsup:

- Keith
 

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Sorry unhappy but you are mistaken.

You can either choose to listen and learn from those who know, or continue to insist that everyone else is wrong and you are right.

Da _Gambla tried to explain it to you. We are here to help others become better informed about gambling and maybe help you win more often so take advantage of the free advice.

:lolup: OMFG
 

SlotKing

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According to another post, in case you aren't following it, the term 'winner' can only be associated with a payment that exceeds your wager.

Theoretical example:
100 credits wagered, 20 lines @ 5 credits/line.

3 symbols appear on one winline, paying 2 coins for every coin bet.

Thus, the player is technically a winner whenever the coins paid per line exceed that of the original bet. If you paid 5 coins on one line, and won 10 coins on that same line, you are a winner, regardless of total bet.

Only scatter pays can be guaranteed to make the player a profit (as these 99.9% of the time pay a multiple of the original total combined bet itself). No one should expect the winlines to carry a profit, especially if betting max, unless you hit a good 4/5 symbol combo.

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vinylweatherman

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Sorry unhappy but you are mistaken.

You can either choose to listen and learn from those who know, or continue to insist that everyone else is wrong and you are right.

Da _Gambla tried to explain it to you. We are here to help others become better informed about gambling and maybe help you win more often so take advantage of the free advice.


When you hear such BS from the CASINO, players WILL tend to believe it. I have found that casinos often know LESS than the average player, let alone the experienced one.

Ruby fotune casino told that the higher my bet per spin is less chance to hit

:lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:

Whre do they hire this calibre of staff:rolleyes:
 
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