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Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by blackjackguide, Jul 31, 2003.

    Jul 31, 2003
  1. blackjackguide

    blackjackguide Dormant account

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    PLEASE VISIT You must register/login in order to see the link. to voice your opinion about the ban to gambling in the USA. THEY ARE VOTING ON THIS TODAY, PLEASE ACT NOW or you might not be gambling tomorrow.
     
  2. Jul 31, 2003
  3. linda7

    linda7 Quit Gambling

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    Hi everyone, we lost the fight and they passed the bill...anyone know exactly how we will all be affected by this and when is the ban on internet gambling going to start? Also, should we cash out any monies we have in casinos? Geez, this govt is one pain in the butt!!
     
  4. Jul 31, 2003
  5. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Well that was only in the Senate, the House would need to pass it as well and then the president would need to sign it into law. If the house & senate passed similar bills, it has to go to committee to work out the details, which give it even more of a chance to die before it becomes law.
     
  6. Jul 31, 2003
  7. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    It still has to go through to the US Senate. Now the big boys (and gals) will be getting involved. When? I don't know.
     
  8. Jul 31, 2003
  9. jinnia

    jinnia Dormant account

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    Voice your opinion, why? It never reaches the eyes nor ears of any government official other than the trained monkey that does nothing more than sit and hit Delete, or tosses unread votes and opinions in trash can.

    I continue voicing and voting, for I STILL at this time have the right to do so. US of A a free country? In small ways, but the big picture, not at all. It's not a democracy any longer, it's becoming a dictatorship fast and furious.

    'We the People' are suppose to be the government, not the elected liars, thieves, and controlling people who are suppose to be our voice instead of our muzzles.

    This is my Opinion Only!!
     
  10. Jul 31, 2003
  11. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Here is the IGC's response:
     
  12. Jul 31, 2003
  13. linda7

    linda7 Quit Gambling

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    Thank you all for explaining this to me. I really used to know all the branches of the government and how a bill gets passed. However, my memory chose not to remember that nonsense when I got hit on the head. I am so grateful to you all for taking the time to help me understand when I get confused. ((((hugs))))
     
  14. Jul 31, 2003
  15. glodge

    glodge Banned User - dodgy back stabber

    This reminds me of the moritorium taken out by the Federal Government here in OZ.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    The population of Australia is around the 19 million mark, however Aprox. 700,000 aussies gamble online each month.

    Trying to monitor such activities in the USA IMO would be a logistical nightmare. ( definately not a logical act )
     
  16. Jul 31, 2003
  17. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    This has a fair road to travel yet.

    What we have now is one Bill in the House of Representatives (the Backus/Leech Bill) and one in the Senate (this just approved for vote Kyl Bill)

    They have not been passed - the committees have just pushed them on for voting.

    They both seek to attack the financial instruments that in the USA make online gambling possible.

    What normally happens when there are two competing Bills is that a committee has to sit to decide whether they can be combined or which should take precedence. So that's likely to take some debate.

    Then there will be the actual vote. After that the President has to approve it.

    The political season ends I think in August/September or thereabouts, so there is time pressure as well - in the past various banning attempts have run out of legs as the sessions end. And this year the US legislative system has a lot of stuff to get through.

    Meantime people like NeTeller (and I'm sure there are others) have already announced that they are making other plans and opening overseas subsidiaries. We all know that where there is a will there will be a way.
     
  18. Jul 31, 2003
  19. murder1

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    I am willing to bet that this is a done deal. The US Government wants to find a way to control and tax the internet. IMHO, I believe that the decision has been made to to away with over seas internet gaming. They have decided to crack down on terrorist (US Citizens). And controlling our funding and activities. Big Casinos in Vegas will enter the online gaming. There we will be monitor and taxed!!! TRUST ME ON THIS ONE GUYS! It's gonna past and taxation will increase
     
  20. Jul 31, 2003
  21. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    I agree Jetset, its unlikely given the road it needs to travel in the short time given that it will get anywhere. Particularly when there's two different bills that need to be settled. I don't think we need to worry about it this year.
     
  22. Jul 31, 2003
  23. deeg

    deeg Dormant account

    Well said Jetset! What's sad is what this really seems to come down to is that if the good old USA was getting a nice "cut" of the profit, we wouldn't be seeing this.

    I can't see this passing, though. They've been trying to regulate alot of content on the internet i.e. porn, etc. but a lot of it falls through loopholes.

    I will definitely be writing yet more letters to my state gov and congress. Ironically, my state (Maine) has been chomping at the bit to put a casino here.
    Seeing that the state will get a nice profit from it, gambling here, unlike online will be left alone.
     
  24. Jul 31, 2003
  25. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    The attitude of US legislators, and the trouble they are going to in order to hammer online gambling is astonishing (Vegas conspiracy theories aside!)to me.

    There are many reputable and honest casino groups who have already said they would accept taxation as the price for regulation and legality in the key US market, and clearly there is a growing demand for this form of gambling from tens of thousands of adult, responsible US citizens yet their own politicians ignore these important facts, leaving their people to the mercy of largely unregulated offshore operators.

    And the political manouevring on issues like the carve-outs for vested interests has always sickened me.

    I thought the IGC reaction made some very good points.
     
  26. Aug 1, 2003
  27. glodge

    glodge Banned User - dodgy back stabber

    jetset,

    I all honesty, I'd rather hear your " Vegas conspiracy theories " .

    ;)
     
  28. Aug 1, 2003
  29. fester111

    fester111 Banned User

    THE INTERNET GAMBLING BANKING ACT IS ANOTHER OF OUR FREEDOMS BEING DELETED MY OUR SO CALLED DEMOCRATIC GOVERMENT. I DON'T REMEMBER VOTING ON THIS. THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA NEED MORE VOTING RIGHTS. OUR GOV.IS IN BED WITH BIG BUSINESS AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE ONLY ABOUT GETTING RE-ELECTED.
    COMING NEXT IS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE BANKS AND STORES TO REPORT ANY PURCHASE OF ANYTHING THAT THE GOV. DEEMS ANTIGOVERMENT,WHICH COULD BE GUN MAGAZINES,TO BUYING TO MANY LOTTERY TICKETS FOR LAUNDERING MONEY,ACID,BLEACH,OR ANY THAT COULD BE USED TO MAKE A BOMB, SHOTGUN SHELLS, PLAYBOY MAGAZINE,IT WILL BE A CRIME TO JOIN THE ACLU,OR ANY GROUP THAT IS FORMED TO PROCTECT OUR CIVIL RIGHTS. WE MUST HAVE A DRASTIC CHANGE IN THE WAY OUR GOVERMENT OPERATES. EVERYONE PLEASE JOIN THE ACLU. MAYBE THEY CAN HELP SAVE US FROM THE BUSH REGIME.
     
  30. Aug 1, 2003
  31. glodge

    glodge Banned User - dodgy back stabber

    fester111,

    can we lose the caps!
     
  32. Aug 2, 2003
  33. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    More detail on the Senate Banking Committee's action in forwarding on the Kyl proposal continues to come in.

    I found this one concerning the eroding of State powers, which has the powerful American Gaming Association worried, of interest because it heralds later opposition when the Bill comes to conference and the vote:


    WASHINGTON August 2, 2003

    A Senate panel quickly and unanimously passed a bill Thursday aimed at crippling Internet gambling through banning the use of credit cards, checks or money transfers to place or pay out bets. With the House's approval of a similar bill in June, Thursday's action moves the bill closer to final approval than ever before.

    But a last-minute change removing language that would allow states to legalize the practice within its boundaries, made through an amendment by Senate Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., has Nevada senators and the casino industry concerned.

    "The bill is unbalanced and unfair," said Frank Fahrenkopf, American Gaming Association president, adding that it could even expand online gaming as it stands now since Indian casinos and horse and dog racing could still participate in online betting.

    Fahrenkopf noted that AGA uses a three-prong test to determine if it will support legislation. This bill failed two parts, since it does not treat all forms of gaming the same and does not preserve states' rights. He noted that this was not a factor in Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl's original bill or in the House version of the bill passed last month.

    Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., also could not support the bill, based on the state language removal.

    The House approved Rep. Spencer Bachus' Internet gaming ban bill on June 10, with a much longer floor debate. The approved bill contained the exemptions for state-regulated gaming industries such as horse and dog racing, as well as casinos that could offer an Internet gambling site if Nevada wanted to figure out how to regulate it in the state.

    Rep. Jim Gibbons, R-Nev., voted for the House version, with Reps. Jon Porter, R-Nev., and Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., voting against it.

    The bill approved Thursday must still pass the Senate floor before it goes to conference with House negotiators. There selected members of each chamber will iron out differences between the two versions to form one new bill to be voted on again and sent to the president, if approved.

    The Senate is expected to adjourn today for its August recess, so any action would take place after Sept. 3

    Previously, only the Senate passed a similar ban in 1998 and 1999. In 2000 a House bill failed to gain a two-thirds majority needed for passage, as set by a special rule created for the bill.

    A Reid aide said he wants to make sure there is nothing in the bill that could limit Nevada from regulating itself, should the state opt to allow Internet gaming in the future. As the bill stands now, it is not clear if that is the case.

    MGM MIRAGE closed its Internet gambling site, which catered to non-U.S. gamblers, saying the legal and political climate on the issue was unclear.
     
  34. Aug 4, 2003
  35. rainman

    rainman Dormant account

    kyl is on the take. I am getting sick of people like him interfering with this. If he really wanted to gaming then what about arizona land based casinos? It's all about the green with him.
     
  36. Aug 4, 2003
  37. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    They are ALL on the take. Its called Lobbying groups and 'political contributions'

    Maybe if MG, RTG & Playtech got together and formed their own lobby and greased the wheels, they could prevent this crap from happening.
     
  38. Aug 4, 2003
  39. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    I'm not sure about RTG or Playtech, but MGS,CON and other bigtime firms involved in the IGC will have been involved in lobbying strategies through that body these past several years. I heard that hundreds of thousands have been poured into Washington specialist companies for this purpose.
     

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