Balloons 50.18% RTP - Lowest RTP EVER for a game?

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Leovegas jackpot of 70% RTP is worth mentioning as they are trying selling it as something that you can win more, while in fact adding the jackpot your chances on RTP will be less.

If you bet 10 cent in starburst on 94% and adding 10 cent to the jackpot of 70% your rtp will be around 82% per spin!

Just had a look at those. The developer doesn’t have much to say :D

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colinsunderland

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Leovegas jackpot of 70% RTP is worth mentioning as they are trying selling it as something that you can win more, while in fact adding the jackpot your chances on RTP will be less.

If you bet 10 cent in starburst on 94% and adding 10 cent to the jackpot of 70% your rtp will be around 82% per spin!
It's not really though is it, as it's a thread about Videoslots running what is the lowest RTP I have ever seen or heard of on an online game.
What you are doing is attempting to deflect the bad comments onto someone else. I don't see you popping up in the leovegas thread saying well you should look at Videoslots, they are running lower RTP's so LV aren't that bad.
 

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Technically Blackjack has an RTP% of less than 50% if you try drawing to 21 on every hand. This game is on every online casino in existence, in many different forms I might add. I think this is an absolute disgrace and the game should be removed from every online casino :thumbsup:

In the very least they should publish the minimum and maximum RTP% depending on player strategy, and any operator that provides variants that don't should be shamed on an internet forum by people who don't agree with the legislation :thumbsup:

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It's not really though is it, as it's a thread about Videoslots running what is the lowest RTP I have ever seen or heard of on an online game.
What you are doing is attempting to deflect the bad comments onto someone else. I don't see you popping up in the leovegas thread saying well you should look at Videoslots, they are running lower RTP's so LV aren't that bad.

The thread is about a scratch card on 50% RTP which can be found at VS and other operators some on same RTP as VS and some on higher. My comment was that scratch cards are usually at low RTP due to the bet volumes. So far I have not been proven wrong on that as when someone checked they found out scratch cards are between 60 - 90% RTP.
I did comparison on other game formats that have low volume bets compared to slots and explained that those are also low RTP due to the fact the bets are much less.

I also pointed out that the most played online scratch card in Sweden is on 49% RTP and I play it myself as I think its fun even on the low RTP. I read that on average a year 100 million scratch cards of triss is sold. So clearly the 49% RTP is not scaring away too many.

Im not trying to defend anyone, just stating the facts. Scratch cards in general have low RTP.
- That will not change even though if I work on Videoslots or Unibet. That is just how it is.

RTP is not everything. Look how much money is spent in social casinos and on lootboxes in games with RTP of 0%. Even in mobile games. People will spend money on what they think its fun. That is just how it is regardless of RTP.

I also pointed out how Leo Vegas have manged to manipulate the RTP in games without changing the games RTP, but by adding a Jackpot and selling it as you can win something bigger, but in reality you are buying something with worse odds in same game for a higher price. I think that is a much more interesting discussion.
 

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RTP is not everything. Look how much money is spent in social casinos and on lootboxes in games with RTP of 0%. Even in mobile games. People will spend money on what they think its fun. That is just how it is regardless of RTP.
Indeed but at the end of the day casinos should not go out of their way to fleece players out of more money and less playtime due to lower RTP's.

VS have made a huge effort the last year of picking lower RTP versions of slots from certain providers. Will your next move be you will remove all providers who have fixed higher RTP on their slots? So BTG and others for example? So it will in turn mean VS will only have Red Tiger, Stakelogic, Pragmatic, Net Ent, Play N Go and a few others that give casino operators the option to choose lower RTP versions? Imagine that VS then only have 7 slot providers that players can play at VS? That will be a very very very sad day wouldn't it?

Or will you just close your casino in certain countries? Surely the amount of money you have now made since reducing the RTP must be enough now for you to move them back to higher? Look at LeoVegas who have been getting a lot extra profit since they went down the same route too!?

I know you work for VS hence why I am replying to your post. This is and has to stop. RTP's needs to be fair for all. Even for those players who have not got a clue of what RTP is. People can still see how RTP levels affect playtime and paybacks in slots without even needing to know what it is about!
 

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The thread is about a scratch card on 50% RTP which can be found at VS and other operators some on same RTP as VS and some on higher. My comment was that scratch cards are usually at low RTP due to the bet volumes. So far I have not been proven wrong on that as when someone checked they found out scratch cards are between 60 - 90% RTP.
I did comparison on other game formats that have low volume bets compared to slots and explained that those are also low RTP due to the fact the bets are much less.

I also pointed out that the most played online scratch card in Sweden is on 49% RTP and I play it myself as I think its fun even on the low RTP. I read that on average a year 100 million scratch cards of triss is sold. So clearly the 49% RTP is not scaring away too many.

Im not trying to defend anyone, just stating the facts. Scratch cards in general have low RTP.
- That will not change even though if I work on Videoslots or Unibet. That is just how it is.

RTP is not everything. Look how much money is spent in social casinos and on lootboxes in games with RTP of 0%. Even in mobile games. People will spend money on what they think its fun. That is just how it is regardless of RTP.

I also pointed out how Leo Vegas have manged to manipulate the RTP in games without changing the games RTP, but by adding a Jackpot and selling it as you can win something bigger, but in reality you are buying something with worse odds in same game for a higher price. I think that is a much more interesting discussion.
Do you think its comon to look up scratch card rtp? most people dont give 2 cent about rtp or even know what it is. Thats why casino are make huge profit on the lower rtp.
 

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Got a response from UKGC regarding autoplay, deposit limits and RTP (of sorts..)

As regards Autoplay, we consulted earlier in 2020 on changes to the design of online slots specifically to make them safer for consumers in GB and the decision was made to remove Autoplay as a feature.

You can find details of all the changes
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. These changes need to be fully implemented by online operators by 31 October 2021.


As regards your comments about deposit limits and maximum stakes, I can advise that deposit limits are only voluntary. In addition, they are very easy for customers to change. Unfortunately, we receive many complaints from customers who say they have been able to gamble and lose way more than they can afford where they say the gambling businesses failed to carry out any affordability or source of funds checks on them. This can include customers who are unemployed and/or on benefits but also from customers who have come into some money but have been able to gamble it all away.


As regards your comments about RTP, you raise some very valid points.


As you may be aware, the government are currently undertaking a review of the Gambling Act as part of a major and wide-ranging review of gambling laws. It is currently unknown what their decisions will be as regards any of the topics you have raised.


Please be aware however that the Gambling Commission are not able to change legislation and can only act within our legal powers. Any change in the law is a decision ultimately made by the government and not the Gambling Commission. We can campaign for changes and do so by carrying out consultations to get the views of the public as well as gambling businesses. But ultimately, any changes to the law are made by the government.


We would therefore suggest, if you still have concerns or think that the legislation needs changing, that you raise your concerns and suggestions with your local MP. This would be the appropriate step to take to campaign for changes to legislation. You could also raise your concerns with the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (
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As you are aware, the Gambling Commission launches consultations regularly as regards changes we are proposing. These consultations invite comments from both the industry and the public and can lead to changes to our Licence Conditions and Codes of Practice that licensed gambling operators have to abide by.


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Got a response from UKGC regarding autoplay, deposit limits and RTP (of sorts..)

At least it looks 100% legit original prober UKGC communication, some could count how many words you can write without saying anything... they must use some generator for their replies where you just add few keywords.
 

Mouse75

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I did wonder about the fact this balloons game is a scratchcard game, and that's why the RTP is so low. I wonder what the percentage return to player is for National Lottery scratchcards?
From my days in retail... National Lottery RTP is between 58% and 65%... Lower on the 1 and 2 pound options, better on the £3 and £5 cards.
Whilst this is poor in principle.... there is 25% of the cost price which goes straight to their charitable causes to take into account.
So... 58p back from a 75p stake, £3.30 back from £3.75 on the £5 card.
 

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Any casino having this disgusting low RTP there credibility should be questioned. It's a legal way of robbing there customers. Feel sorry for many that dont know what rtp is because there being robbed blind and bottom line it is disgusting. No anything below 96% is disgusting but 50.18 is shit thrown in your face. The game provider and casinos should be ashamed.
 
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