Balloons 50.18% RTP - Lowest RTP EVER for a game?

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The issue is that the UKGC would not be interested in our concerns. They’ve got their own agenda. It’s crystal clear that they couldn’t give two shits about protecting players, they simply haven’t got a clue and I for one can’t wait to see the day the UKGC is deemed unfit for purpose.

The best option would be maybe launch a petition for signatures to be examined by parliament. This would require 10,000 signatures I think, plus would hopefully make more people aware as to how unethical it is to be allowed people to gamble on games with 50% payout.

There really should be an absolute minimum of 92% RTP on any game. That is fair, transparent and better for the player.

Rob :)
 
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The 2005 UK Gambling Act has 3 objectives:

1. keeping gambling crime-free.
2. making sure that gambling is fair and open.
3. protecting children and vulnerable adults.

I see that the commission is failing on upholding the second objective. How can gambling be ‘fair’ and ‘open’ if players are not protected with a minimum RTP.

Rob :)
 

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I have been doing some digging and it appears that there is no minimum RTP by law.

It’s so contradicting. They’re here to protect players, from gambling harm. Set objectives that operators have to fulfil.

Surely subjecting problem gamblers to games with such low payout percentages will increase harm as more money can be lost a lot faster.

The only people who are gaining from this situation is the operator and provider. Was it MGA who have/are imposing a minimum RTP?
The UKGC are more interested in stopping auto play, making you wait 2.5 seconds between spins and harassing you over where you got that £50 deposit from than anything of actual use it seems.
 

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The UKGC are more interested in stopping auto play, making you wait 2.5 seconds between spins and harassing you over where you got that £50 deposit from than anything of actual use it seems.

Yeah, it’s insane. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would be able to see that you can keep track of what you’re spending/losing/winning better using the auto play function, which has adjustable settings which turn off the auto once you reach those limits.

It’s most likely Pragmatic Play and their instant silly fast spins that brought their attention to this area :p
 

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In general most scratch card have quite low RTP compared to slots. Reason for that is that they dont generate as much bets as slots.
Most popular scratch card in Sweden run by government site "Svenska Spel" for last 30 years have RTP of 49%
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Sportsbooks are around 90% RTP, some even less. ATG horse betting in Sweden is on 70%-80% RTP, similar to Leo Vegas new Jackpot
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which you have to pay €0.10 per spin which only gives back 70% RTP.

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What boggles my mind is people still play at VS, with justifications like, 'Oh well I don't play the slots that have the gimped RTPs', and I'm just thinking that's like there's a local pub where you know the landlord is watering down the beer but you're OK with it and just make a point of finding out which beers he's watering down and not ordering those ones.

But the point is, of course, the landlord is trying to water down your beer, stop giving him your business! And people who don't know any better are getting conned paying full price for the watered down beer.

Slots on shitty RTPs and casinos running slots on shitty RTPs would cease to exist if people stopped playing them. Whilst places like Unibet, Novibet and Rizk still exist serving the UK market running all the top RTPs, playing at somewhere like VS is pretty much literally just shooting yourself in the foot as a player.
You're naive to think that every casino won't eventually be bringing their RTPs down. As soon as more providers make lower-RTP versions of their slots available, they will start to be used and players won't have a choice. The only slots that will remain on the higher RTPs of the 'good old days' will be the ones that don't get played much, and therefore won't be worth the expense in certifying new maths. It's a crowded marketplace today; too many studios and an oversaturation of games. Add to this the fact that certain markets are becoming increasingly expensive to operate in, with revenue possibilities severly restricted (such as, but certainly not limited to, the UK), and lower RTPs will be widespread. This is an undeniable fact I'm afraid. Any casinos retaining high RTPs will do so at the expense of any promotional offering to the point that their sole USP is high RTPs - but even then they will eventually have to start lowering them like everyone else. Other places like VS will take full advantage of lower RTP versions of games in order to finance/improve all the stuff they give away every week.

They still won't be anywhere near as low as LBOs and MSAs though. I find it laughable that betting shops and service stations can operate slots on 86% without much complaint yet people are up in arms about online casinos shaving off 2% in order to maintain their razor-thin profit margins in the face of hostile jurisdictional legislation.
 
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In general most scratch card have quite low RTP compared to slots. Reason for that is that they dont generate as much bets as slots.
Most popular scratch card in Sweden run by government site "Svenska Spel" for last 30 years have RTP of 49%
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Sportsbooks are around 90% RTP, some even less. ATG horse betting in Sweden is on 70%-80% RTP, similar to Leo Vegas new Jackpot
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which you have to pay €0.10 per spin which only gives back 70% RTP.

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I did wonder about the fact this balloons game is a scratchcard game, and that's why the RTP is so low. I wonder what the percentage return to player is for National Lottery scratchcards?
 

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In general most scratch card have quite low RTP compared to slots. Reason for that is that they dont generate as much bets as slots.
Most popular scratch card in Sweden run by government site "Svenska Spel" for last 30 years have RTP of 49%
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Sportsbooks are around 90% RTP, some even less. ATG horse betting in Sweden is on 70%-80% RTP, similar to Leo Vegas new Jackpot
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which you have to pay €0.10 per spin which only gives back 70% RTP.

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Not one to slate VS for low RTP on slots as it is what it is. But seriously can not believe you are trying to justify 50% RTP on any game. And to try and compare it to horse racing in Sweden.

Also you seem to think it is okay when something is rarely played to run it at a disgraceful RTP. Must make a lot from few mugs that play it.

Here is a sugestion. If they are not popular why not get rid of them instead of using them a a disgraceful RTP . You could use the money saved from paying the provider to raise the RTP on some other slot that has been lowered.
 

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Not one to slate VS for low RTP on slots as it is what it is. But seriously can not believe you are trying to justify 50% RTP on any game. And to try and compare it to horse racing in Sweden.

Also you seem to think it is okay when something is rarely played to run it at a disgraceful RTP. Must make a lot from few mugs that play it.

Here is a sugestion. If they are not popular why not get rid of them instead of using them a a disgraceful RTP . You could use the money saved from paying the provider to raise the RTP on some other slot that has been lowered.

What I said is that most popular scratch card games are around 50% RTP. That is a fact and has been for 20 - 30 years. I still play the TRISS myself. :) Knowing its 49% rtp.
 

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You're naive to think that every casino won't eventually be bringing their RTPs down. As soon as more providers make lower-RTP versions of their slots available, they will start to be used and players won't have a choice. The only slots that will remain on the higher RTPs of the 'good old days' will be the ones that don't get played much, and therefore won't be worth the expense in certifying new maths. It's a crowded marketplace today; too many studios and an oversaturation of games. Add to this the fact that certain markets are becoming increasingly expensive to operate in, with revenue possibilities severly restricted (such as, but certainly not limited to, the UK), and lower RTPs will be widespread. This is an undeniable fact I'm afraid.

They still won't be anywhere near as low as LBOs and MSAs though. I find it laughable that betting shops and service stations can operate slots on 86% without much complaint yet people are up in arms about online casinos shaving off 2% in order to maintain their razor-thin profit margins in the face of hostile jurisdictional legislation.

'Razor-thin profit margins'

Excuse me whilst I try to find the world's smallest violin to play.

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LeoVegas reported a 103.2% year-on-year rise in comprehensive profit in 2020 after its strongest-ever fourth-quarter performance helped it post record results for the year.

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In general most scratch card have quite low RTP compared to slots. Reason for that is that they dont generate as much bets as slots.
Most popular scratch card in Sweden run by government site "Svenska Spel" for last 30 years have RTP of 49%
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Sportsbooks are around 90% RTP, some even less. ATG horse betting in Sweden is on 70%-80% RTP, similar to Leo Vegas new Jackpot
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which you have to pay €0.10 per spin which only gives back 70% RTP.

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Only Videoslots could attempt to justify having a game running at 50% RTP by drawing attention to other casinos' lower RTP offerings, which are still 20% higher than this.
Do the casinos running this at 80-90% RTP have much higher players playing it, or is the low amount of players just bullshit to try to make people feel sorry for you.
Do the scratchcards you are talking about with low RTP's not donate a lot of the profits to charity? Is that something Videoslots do with their lower RTP games? If not then it's a completely unfair comparison.
 

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Not one to slate VS for low RTP on slots as it is what it is. But seriously can not believe you are trying to justify 50% RTP on any game. And to try and compare it to horse racing in Sweden.

Also you seem to think it is okay when something is rarely played to run it at a disgraceful RTP. Must make a lot from few mugs that play it.

Here is a sugestion. If they are not popular why not get rid of them instead of using them a a disgraceful RTP . You could use the money saved from paying the provider to raise the RTP on some other slot that has been lowered.
They should do a clone of this game where instead of popping balloons you have to shoot fish in a barrel. This way the player might get a sense of the futility of playing the game long before they get too involved.
 

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'Razor-thin profit margins'

Excuse me whilst I try to find the world's smallest violin to play.

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LeoVegas reported a 103.2% year-on-year rise in comprehensive profit in 2020 after its strongest-ever fourth-quarter performance helped it post record results for the year.

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I dont think their increase was due to making more money per player.

Look what is happening in Germany as an example. Government is taxing 5% on bets, what do you think the RTP will end up to there?
RTP is getting lower due to its more expensive to operate.
 

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'Razor-thin profit margins'

Excuse me whilst I try to find the world's smallest violin to play.

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LeoVegas reported a 103.2% year-on-year rise in comprehensive profit in 2020 after its strongest-ever fourth-quarter performance helped it post record results for the year.

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Are those profits solely from the lower-RTP slots though? They might just be a really well-run outfit that has put a lot of effort into widening it's player-base and keeps costs down, with solar panels on the roof and prints on both sides of the paper?
 

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What I said is that most popular scratch card games are around 50% RTP. That is a fact and has been for 20 - 30 years. I still play the TRISS myself. :) Knowing its 49% rtp.

Pretty sure National Lottery Scratchcards here are at least 70% . But hey if you want to play scratchcards at that percentage fair enough. Personally i think it is ripping people off. I know companies need to profit. But sometimes it would be better to get rid of them than use them at such low RTP.

Anyway i randomly opened Scratch Silver at your site from same provider and that is 70% RTP lot higher than 50%. So wondering why that is.

And i opened two at PP one was 80% and other was 92% so sorry but 50% is really ripping the piss.
 

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Pretty sure National Lottery Scratchcards here are at least 70% . But hey if you want to play scratchcards at that percentage fair enough. Personally i think it is ripping people off. I know companies need to profit. But sometimes it would be better to get rid of them than use them at such low RTP.

Anyway i randomly opened Scratch Silver at your site from same provider and that is 70% RTP lot higher than 50%. So wondering why that is.

And i opened a few at PP and they were all 80%.

No idea what it is, I only play TRISS as I like it even on the RTP of 49%.
 

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Only Videoslots could attempt to justify having a game running at 50% RTP by drawing attention to other casinos' lower RTP offerings, which are still 20% higher than this.
Do the casinos running this at 80-90% RTP have much higher players playing it, or is the low amount of players just bullshit to try to make people feel sorry for you.
Do the scratchcards you are talking about with low RTP's not donate a lot of the profits to charity? Is that something Videoslots do with their lower RTP games? If not then it's a completely unfair comparison.

Leovegas jackpot of 70% RTP is worth mentioning as they are trying selling it as something that you can win more, while in fact adding the jackpot your chances on RTP will be less.

If you bet 10 cent in starburst on 94% and adding 10 cent to the jackpot of 70% your rtp will be around 82% per spin!
 

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It’s clear that RTP’s are going to get even worse, the boundaries are clearly being pushed to the limit, with players yet again footing the bill.

Where will it end? Slots below 90% being the new normal for online? Just, how low can they go? :p
 

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Leovegas jackpot of 70% RTP is worth mentioning as they are trying selling it as something that you can win more, while in fact adding the jackpot your chances on RTP will be less.

If you bet 10 cent in starburst on 94% and adding 10 cent to the jackpot of 70% your rtp will be around 82% per spin!

is this a whataboutism in a non political thread?!
Lol.
 
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