Bad luck after a win

[davdav5678]

So maybe a silly question

Evening all ,

So seem every-time i have a small win nothing massive .I always seem to have worst luck Seems a theme with my game play

Played today 45% payout spent around £100

Yesterday played 75 % payout £75 spent

i think mirogaming dont like me at all

So what the trick

leave the casino alone for a few weeks ,

Play another game

was given £20 for my loss today , Better then nothing no win tho

 

[spintee]

Same as, You either lose straight away or get a few nice wins than money shoots down, Got to no when to withdraw, Yesterday put £10 in guts and was on a roll straight away, Took out £110, Was in my bank today, Less than 24hrs, If I kept playing I no what would of happened as do it 95% of the time, I will also guarantee if it was most other sites that that hold on to your cash than I guarantee it would of been reversed,

No when to withdraw even if its a quick turn around,I have still not learned my lesson and keep doing it, So glad theres casinos about that pay out instant

 

[davdav5678]

Thanks :notworthy

Same here as well i know if i carry on playing with winning i lose most of the time .Always good to withdraw


Just one of them days today ,When you playing and playing and nothing much come up

Do you have more luck when the game listed hotter then others on mirogaming

cheers

 

[Zabier]

Totally agree with this. I don't think I've ever come away from the slots or tables thinking "yeah, that was an average night". Maybe that's because if I break just below even then I see it as a bad run and if I break just above even I see it as a good streak? I'm the same in other areas of life though, particularly football. I over-think it I think... if that makes sense?

 

[spintee]

There was a thread the other day About taking money out to early, Well I nether do and keep playing, But after I read that thread it bought some light, Normally I would of keep playing but after years of reading casinomiester and less years of signing up, I think Im actual starting learning & taking notes,

 

[davdav5678]

Thanks all

I'm glad I found this site loads of good tips advice on casinos and play, Starting to learn myself as well

 

[Jono777]

Just lately my deposits are lasting 10 minutes before I'm on minimum stakes (calling myself The 9p King these days) and all bonus rounds are, well lets just say they may as well have the 3rd 'scatter' back.

Even with 10 years experience of win a bit, lose a bit, this run is the worst I have ever had so started to think a bit like your suggest (even tho I know this ain't the case)

But it does make me wonder:-

* Is it anything to do with being over 4K up over July / August (real good run only deposit in £20's (low roller)) and I tend to stick to the same 4-5 casinos.

* Have the RTP's been LEGALLY lowered in UK to cope with the law changes

Like I say prob's paranoia and we will never truly know but made me think....

Only ONE casino seems to have stuck to the fair and true nature of gambling in general and I will always trust them way above the rest

 

[jshort]

Last week, I deposited about $400, got it up to $2500, than lost it within two hours. Easy come easy go!

 

[psychogene]

Hi OP I can understand where your coming from because all gamblers have been in that situation at some point (else its not really gambling). I can only go by my own personal experience so I will share my own little story - mainly because I would like to look back at this post one day!

So I was curious about online casinos about 3-4 months ago right after the world cup (that is to say, after I started gambling during the world cup and won alot hehe) but always thought it sounded like a scam. Anyway I injured my right hand in a car accident and during my recoup at home I had alot of time to spare so my curiosity got the better of me and I looked around for a reputable online casino to just experience it at first. I am based in Australia and for whatever reason I cannot remember I chose Spin Palace.

So I deposit $20 and take their 100% deposit bonus that gives me $40 (I did not even know what wagering requirements was - I just assumed I could withdraw whenever I want) and decided to play MG multi-player roulette. I won $80 after about 30 mins and decided that was enough but then got a nice shock when I found out I had to clear the bonus. Decided to play a slot (having never played slots in my life) and went with froot loot (3 reel - nothing flashy). Lucky for me all my bets were under the 30% max betting limit required for bonus WR. I somehow hit 2 bars x 3 and watermelon x 3 giving me like $350. I read the wagering requirements and found out I could only withdraw $120 so I just played till it hit that $120 and withdrawed it - only to find out Spin Palace does not have the greatest reputation so I kind of expected to not get anything.

To my surprise I received $120 in my bank the following week. After this I played at spin palace about once a week and was doing quite well (a few times I would deposit $20 and win $200-300 just playing froot loot and multiplayer roulette - for about 2-3 months the only slot I played was froot loot because it was the only one I understood ehehe). Once I even deposited $20 and after 2 hours or so was up by $1000 only to get greedy and have it come back down to $500 before I withdrew. During that time I was playing both froot loot + multiplayer roulette at the same time and was luckily hitting the single numbers in roulette and lots of fruit baskets and bars in froot loot. I even randomly played one spin of a slot I just randomly clicked on and would you believe it the first spin at $3.00 without even knowing anything about the game I won like $150. Ah I miss that luck

After the first 1-2 months of doing well the thought of Spin Palace being a scam never crossed my mind because all my withdrawals came through with no issues and I was well on top on my balance. However this run of luck always runs out and the last 1 month at spin palace I have not had a single withdrawal - I have not hit anything substantial in froot loot and also in roulette. So I have tried other slots like break the bank again, tomb raider, thunderstruck 2, jurassic park, battlestar galatica - nothing. Believing my luck will change I started to deposit more then $20 and ended up I believe depositing about $600-800 before deciding this is not going to turn around and stopped playing at Spin Palace. Other times during this period I would win like $200 or so but I became greedy, reverse withdrew it and lost it all.

So then I decided to join 32red the last 3 weeks or so due to their reputation. I did deposits of about $20-50 at a time and played froot loot - did not win a thing. Down about $200 I closed the froot loot game and reopened it after a 5 minute break and then luckily hit 2bars x 3 at $3 giving me a $270 win. I withdrew that and all went well - was feeling like change of scenario was good! The following times I played I deposited and played tomb raider and managed to hit the bonus spins about 5 times in a 1 hr period and won $450. The following session after that I was up $350 on tomb raider but was losing it slowly again so I switched slots to break da bank again and was losing, and then to froot loot - nothing. Basically lost it all after playing various other slots in a period of 2 hrs.

Ever since then I have had NO LUCK at all. Playing tomb raider, jurassic park, froot loot, battlestar galatica, even random slots - my deposits of $50 disappear in about 20-30 minutes I have don't recall the last 5-10 times I have played even breaking even - I am now in the negatives with 32red. I decided to hop back to Spin Palace but the last few sessions mirror that of 32red - no luck at all. I guess thats just the nature of it - it does not feel good when it feels like you have no chance at all to win anything so I will stop playing for the next month to see if anything changes.

To sum it up - when I have won its tends to be decently sized wins but when I lose its really fast and I get that feeling that I had no chance to begin with at all - no matter what slot I play. How do I know whether the game is deciding to be bias against me or its my luck? I don't and I will never know so instead of thinking about what could have been I will just step away and consider myself lucky that after 3 months of playing I am in total probably down about $200-300.

 

[mcgameboy]

davdav, what size are your bets?

I am talking from my own personal experience here, but when I played 60p a spin on the 243 way slots, I either cashed out big or crashed out big. With the crashes coming a lot quicker than the cashes. Try playing IR at even 60p a spin (just one notch above bare minimum) and see how quickly £100 disappears if you catch it when it is cold.

Ever since I went to full grind mode at min bet of 30p, I have had a lot more success. I've even completed WR playthroughs of £6,000 (£150 bonus at 40x) on min bet for profit. It's time consuming, but I get my slotting fix, get to play several different games and most importantly, get to keep myself in the game for longer.

I have become a lot more focused on getting good playtime on my deposits in recent months, so even when I do bustout, it is rarely quick. And then I can at least take some crumbs of comfort from a lost deposit by telling myself that I got some "entertainment value" for my money.

I am also quite prepared to make a wee deposit of £25 and then if I am lucky enough to get it to £50, reach for the cashout button. This is something that I would never have considered as little as 6 months ago, when I would have always set a cashout target of at least 5 times my deposit.

If you deposit £25 and cashout £50, your next £25 deposit is a freeroll of sorts. A double up doesn't sound great if it is for only £25, but it shouldn't be underestimated if you have a modest gambling budget to start with. Live to slot another day springs to mind. Sometimes less is actually more also springs to mind.

I should mention that I am not crushing the slots by any stretch. But I am slowly but surely reducing my overall losses on the slots. I started slotting in November 2011. It took me until June THIS YEAR to achieve my first profitable month on the slots. Fast forward to today and I can happily report that October was my fifth profitable month in a row. So I am not getting crushed either. That can't be a bad thing, can it?

PS I know of at least one member here who will bet as high as 6 euro a spin on Dark Knight or as little as 30p on Playboy. So even the higher rollers sometimes low roll. Something worth thinking about.

 

[davdav5678]

davdav, what size are your bets?

I am talking from my own personal experience here, but when I played 60p a spin on the 243 way slots, I either cashed out big or crashed out big. With the crashes coming a lot quicker than the cashes. Try playing IR at even 60p a spin (just one notch above bare minimum) and see how quickly £100 disappears if you catch it when it is cold.

Ever since I went to full grind mode at min bet of 30p, I have had a lot more success. I've even completed WR playthroughs of £6,000 (£150 bonus at 40x) on min bet for profit. It's time consuming, but I get my slotting fix, get to play several different games and most importantly, get to keep myself in the game for longer.

I have become a lot more focused on getting good playtime on my deposits in recent months, so even when I do bustout, it is rarely quick. And then I can at least take some crumbs of comfort from a lost deposit by telling myself that I got some "entertainment value" for my money.

I am also quite prepared to make a wee deposit of £25 and then if I am lucky enough to get it to £50, reach for the cashout button. This is something that I would never have considered as little as 6 months ago, when I would have always set a cashout target of at least 5 times my deposit.

If you deposit £25 and cashout £50, your next £25 deposit is a freeroll of sorts. A double up doesn't sound great if it is for only £25, but it shouldn't be underestimated if you have a modest gambling budget to start with. Live to slot another day springs to mind. Sometimes less is actually more also springs to mind.

I should mention that I am not crushing the slots by any stretch. But I am slowly but surely reducing my overall losses on the slots. So I am not getting crushed either. That can't be a bad thing, can it?

PS I know of at least one member here who will bet as high as 6 euro a spin on Dark Knight or as little as 30p on Playboy. So even the higher rollers sometimes low roll. Something worth thinking about.

I play playboy on 90p bets spins most of the time , can spin up to 2.40 per spin without a lot of great wins.I seem to have better spins results at 90p .A few time i have made spins around £4.50 and won free rounds came away happy that day winning around £400 .

Some days i have no free rounds at all playing for hours sometimes, Just the way it goes

Always if i play with some winning the same day on other casino brands also i always seem to loss most of it

Yesterday had a good deal of luck on 30p on playboy , Got back £100 :notworthy

Been playing seen start of the year on mirogaming

 

[Jono777]

davdav, what size are your bets?

I am talking from my own personal experience here, but when I played 60p a spin on the 243 way slots, I either cashed out big or crashed out big. With the crashes coming a lot quicker than the cashes. Try playing IR at even 60p a spin (just one notch above bare minimum) and see how quickly £100 disappears if you catch it when it is cold.

Ever since I went to full grind mode at min bet of 30p, I have had a lot more success. I've even completed WR playthroughs of £6,000 (£150 bonus at 40x) on min bet for profit. It's time consuming, but I get my slotting fix, get to play several different games and most importantly, get to keep myself in the game for longer.

I have become a lot more focused on getting good playtime on my deposits in recent months, so even when I do bustout, it is rarely quick. And then I can at least take some crumbs of comfort from a lost deposit by telling myself that I got some "entertainment value" for my money.

I am also quite prepared to make a wee deposit of £25 and then if I am lucky enough to get it to £50, reach for the cashout button. This is something that I would never have considered as little as 6 months ago, when I would have always set a cashout target of at least 5 times my deposit.

If you deposit £25 and cashout £50, your next £25 deposit is a freeroll of sorts. A double up doesn't sound great if it is for only £25, but it shouldn't be underestimated if you have a modest gambling budget to start with. Live to slot another day springs to mind. Sometimes less is actually more also springs to mind.

I should mention that I am not crushing the slots by any stretch. But I am slowly but surely reducing my overall losses on the slots. I started slotting in November 2011. It took me until June THIS YEAR to achieve my first profitable month on the slots. Fast forward to today and I can happily report that October was my fifth profitable month in a row. So I am not getting crushed either. That can't be a bad thing, can it?

PS I know of at least one member here who will bet as high as 6 euro a spin on Dark Knight or as little as 30p on Playboy. So even the higher rollers sometimes low roll. Something worth thinking about.

That is SPOT ON! and very similar to how I play these days, good stuff!!!

 

[nikantw]

Since casino is no charity, big wins always come from lots and lots of dead spins. Only thing you can do is stop playing when they come.

 

[davdav5678]

Not saying its a charity,



asking advice on spins

always someone on the attack on here ,, You have no idea how many dead spins i have had

 

[nisosbar]

I don't think there really is a trick to it - it's all about playing within your budget and in order to, theoretically, get a maximum of play time from your deposit. Like anyone else, I have good runs and bad - the bad generally outlast the good, so it's important to know when to withdraw, which is something I'm not that good at, lol.

 

[Jono777]

Not saying its a charity,



asking advice on spins

always someone on the attack on here ,, You have no idea how many dead spins i have had

I do feel for you, I've JUST (as in last night) come thru nearly 3 months of bad deposits / play and not seen a withdrawal appear on my bank statement for a similar amount of time.

Unfortunately it happens, the nature of gambling in general suggests unless your doing something really wrong (such as £2 spins on a £20 deposit etc) that you will have bad days and good days.

I've been a low stake online player for 10 years now and to elaborate for you these win / loss sessions tend to come in months rather than days.

I had a real good June / July and then an awful August / Sept / Oct and was close to giving up, finally hit a 340x bet on Jurassic Park and W/D £100 which restored the faith for now.

So hang on in there it will come - Good Luck!

 

[tinybettor]

After my big win at the end of last year I'm now paying it all back big time. No matter what I do I just cannot win. At least not without losing 10x the winnings. Day-time, night-time, autoplay, manual play, coin changing, high variance, low variance, different software, different currency. I cannot catch a damn break. Every bonus has been a bust, cannot even complete more than half the wagering. I'm a member at over 50 casinos and I'm not even up on one slot at any casino. I always ensure a bankroll sufficient for 200 spins at 0% RTP. Most of the time the end result is 10-15 minutes game-time and less than 50% RTP. I've closed many accounts in frustration after giving each casino a dozen chances to just get some damn playtime. I don't know about you guys but to consistently bust out consecutive $100-$150 deposits lasting 15 minutes is just utterly ridiculous. All these deposits for the last year feels like I'm bearing all the risk for absolutely no reward.

 

[dunover]

Obviously the answer to this issue is straightforward. Over time, if you plot your sessions across a horizontal 95% line you'll see undulations in RTP say from 70% to 120%, depending on the variance of games you play. It's not consistent due to the random nature of the games obviously. What goes up must come down. If you have had a big spike in RTP and made a decent win, it won't continue forever. As you play on the game(s) will level out. If the RNG has given you a few big hits then likely the odds favour a succession of lower/non-wins and the curve goes down.
Remember if you play on and on hoping for a big result and don't withdraw any gains at any stage you have above your deposit, even if the game pays 99.9% TRTP you will BUST!

 

[nikantw]

Not saying its a charity,



asking advice on spins

always someone on the attack on here ,, You have no idea how many dead spins i have had

No attack. Just a warning. RTP gets over 95%, but only after milions of spins. Over a day, RTP of 10% or even below, CAN and WILL happen!!
Be prepared for it!!

 

[davdav5678]

Thanks all

Yer had another bad weekend and this morning :notworthy

The game saying its hot and luck to win back a few quid
lol

Hopefully i get there in time

The joys of gambling just nice to see a bit more for my cash :

Thanks for all your advice taken note

 

[JackMack]

I find the worse thing possible is to chase losses, especially at the same casino and on the same software that has just raped you.

Over all my years playing when I have lost badly off a first deposit and so made follow up deposits tog et some game time they nearly always go the same way. Very occasionally I will hit a win that will offer my losses back but never have I turned things around and won.
Slots on all software tend to be streaky. Yeah you get times when it is win some, lose some but often it is the case that the slots are totally or dead or less often totally hot. Brilliant when they are hot, awful when they are stone cold.

I have never believed the "every spin is independent of previous results" claim, in fact it is patently untrue which tells something about the integrity of the business.
We know that bonus rounds are weighted according to previous results and I have no reason to think free spin rounds aren't as well - depending on the design of the slot it is much more obvious in some than others.
Every slot I have had a mega win on has gone completely dead on me thereafter (same session) Williams Interactive are the worse for it though they have really hot streaks so if you hit a decent win you can hit again very quickly but as soon as it goes cold or you hit a feature that pays low, RUN! Because you will get about 35% RTP for a long time thereafter.

Microgaming and Net Ent aren't as bad but beware after a big win if you are getting very low returns over even 50-100 spins then it is likely time to quit.

Since we are slot players then we are going to lose in the long run but as has been said you can minimize your losses by cashing out at the right time.
That means not taking on mega bonuses unless you just want the added game time which is fine, just don't expect to win.
It means deciding not only how much you want to play and sticking to that limit but how long you want to play for and coming off aster that time limit. It is hard for a gambler to do that but once you snap the trance and get on with something else you feel much better knowing you have cashout rather than exhausting yourself and playing until your funds are gone (As I often do LOL )
Hey I never said I followed my own rules, I just know what works if slot junkies are interested and have more will power than me.

 

[davdav5678]

I find the worse thing possible is to chase losses, especially at the same casino and on the same software that has just raped you.

Over all my years playing when I have lost badly off a first deposit and so made follow up deposits tog et some game time they nearly always go the same way. Very occasionally I will hit a win that will offer my losses back but never have I turned things around and won.
Slots on all software tend to be streaky. Yeah you get times when it is win some, lose some but often it is the case that the slots are totally or dead or less often totally hot. Brilliant when they are hot, awful when they are stone cold.

I have never believed the "every spin is independent of previous results" claim, in fact it is patently untrue which tells something about the integrity of the business.
We know that bonus rounds are weighted according to previous results and I have no reason to think free spin rounds aren't as well - depending on the design of the slot it is much more obvious in some than others.
Every slot I have had a mega win on has gone completely dead on me thereafter (same session) Williams Interactive are the worse for it though they have really hot streaks so if you hit a decent win you can hit again very quickly but as soon as it goes cold or you hit a feature that pays low, RUN! Because you will get about 35% RTP for a long time thereafter.

Microgaming and Net Ent aren't as bad but beware after a big win if you are getting very low returns over even 50-100 spins then it is likely time to quit.

Since we are slot players then we are going to lose in the long run but as has been said you can minimize your losses by cashing out at the right time.
That means not taking on mega bonuses unless you just want the added game time which is fine, just don't expect to win.
It means deciding not only how much you want to play and sticking to that limit but how long you want to play for and coming off aster that time limit. It is hard for a gambler to do that but once you snap the trance and get on with something else you feel much better knowing you have cashout rather than exhausting yourself and playing until your funds are gone (As I often do LOL )
Hey I never said I followed my own rules, I just know what works if slot junkies are interested and have more will power than me.

Yes i know , I only play on mirogaming with red in there name and sister brands .Seem to always have a good win, Nothing really big most i won is 1000 that not all at onces .Made even on two accounts the others well over i hoped to be in losses

Despoited a fair bit last week

Some bonses i have took and all the time seem to win a bit then comes to wager and get really low not much to withdraw lol

thanks for the tips guys you been a massive help

 

[Wild Reels]

i had to show my mrs the casinomeister video on the front page to teach her and get her to lower her expectations of slots, and its really seemed to work, the one on the front page about the guy that gets up and then blows it all , then chases his losses



Anyone whos played slots will have at some point chased losses, heck even i throw another deposit in now and again, its easy to give out the right advice but we all have slip ups now and again, the way i look at my bet size to get it into reality is basing it off a £100 deposit, not factoring in any wins whatsoever

at 0.30 spins that gives me 333 dead spins before i bust out
raising it to 0.60 gives me 166
and if i'm being stupid and trying £3 spins that would 33 spins effectively - ten times less playtime than the original 0.30

depending on the slot i'm playing my bet size might vary, and if i've got £2000 pounds of wagering left to do i might try some big bets to either bust out in style or give myself a realistic chance of wagering it.

but my original target off a £100 deposit might be to double it, but even if i finish close to that ill withdraw, im not going to risk say £190 in search of that elusive last £10..

i've been very lucky recently in that the few times i've bet big for me, its turned out very well..

 

[davdav5678]

Yes very good

Still having bad luck name of the game i know

Just over 300 loss last week on 4 diffrerent same brands total well over £1,000 down

you do start to wonder if you being flees :notworthy