AusVegas VP paytables

tennis_balls

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i was just looking at the AusVegas paytable for Deuces Wild.

when you click on "help" they claim this game pays 98.44%.

paytable:

Four Deuces 200
Royal Flush 25 (that's correct "25"...no distinction for "wild royal")
5 of a Kind 15
Straight Flush 9
4 of a Kind 5
Full House 3
Flush 2
Straight 2
3 of a Kind 1

This sure doesn't look like 98.44% to me, but there is no similar table on WizardofOdds.
 

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AusVegas Paytables

At AusVegas we openly publish the paytables of our online casino games. These can be found by clicking on the help/paytable link in each game.

The actual payout rate for each game is audited and approved and regulated by the Northern Territorry Government of Australia.

Multiple new, unique games are usually released every month after passing through rigerous testing and auditing.

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This sure doesn't look like 98.44% to me, but there is no similar table on WizardofOdds.

Wierd. I tried the video poker analyzer at wizardofodds
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And it shows the payout is 99.1%.

So where is the error?
1) I did not use the VP analyzer correct
2) The VP analyzer can not analyze this wierd game correct(doubt it)
3) AusVegas got it wrong. (But the paytable is better though, so they are excused)

However I find a VP game with no RF (or similar high pay win) extremly boring.

Here is the result from the VP analyzer:

Hand PAY Probability Return
Royal Flush 25 0.00002 0.00049
Four Deuces 200 0.00020 0.04082
Wild Royal Flush 25 0.00175 0.04365
Five of a Kind 15 0.00321 0.04811
Straight Flush 9 0.00417 0.03753
Four of a Kind 5 0.06512 0.32559
Full House 3 0.02127 0.06382
Flush 2 0.01652 0.03304
Straight 2 0.05619 0.11238
Three of a Kind 1 0.28558 0.28558
nothing 0 0.54597 0.00000
Total: 0.99101

Return: 99.1006%
Variance: 11.7401


Zoozie
 
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tennis_balls

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it's an unusual paytable for sure so I went ahead and did the math:

i arrived at 98.5% so their numbers are correct

my apologies to ausvegas. and props to AusVegas for being the only online site of which i'm aware that publishes the payout % for each individual game including their slots.
 

Zoozie

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it's an unusual paytable for sure so I went ahead and did the math:
i arrived at 98.5% so their numbers are correct

How did you some to that?
I have WinPoker at home so I can test it later, but I am at work now
I do trust the VP analyzer applet though.

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Zoozie

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i used one of Windows finest features: a program named "calculator"

i just did it the same way as the wizard tables (multiply payoffs times the probabilies and then add up those results.....i got .985992)

Aaahh! Yes, but what you get that way is just a lower bound of the payout%.

You will get excactly that payout if you play optimal strategy for the game with that paytable , but you instead play that strategy at this game with another paytable.

But a different paytable can give a different optimal strategy and this is the case here.

In some dueces wild games sometimes holding only QJ suited is correct,
but in this AusVegas game I suspect you are better of discarding everything.
So there are differences, and obvious some huge ones since payout% differs 0.5%.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Zoozie
 

tennis_balls

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i'm certainly not an odds expert, but i'm pretty sure i used the same method as the wizard in determining the H/A.

they do have auto-hold at aus-vegas so I would assume that is optimal strategy for their game. their auto hold ignores 3 to a natural royal so it does seem to be optimal for their paytable

i couldn't find the HA anywhere for the "Perfect Pairs" sidebet on their blackjack if anyone knows that?
 

Zoozie

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i'm certainly not an odds expert, but i'm pretty sure i used the same method as the wizard in determining the H/A.

I do not really think this is correct. The probabilities for ending up with the paying hands are wrong because they depend on the optimal strategy which is not the same.

I am sure Grandmaster knows the answer to this and can settle our little friendly dispute.

But I do have the odds against me since AusVegas then also would have made a mistake.

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paul1

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Return: 99.1006%
Variance: 11.7401[/B]

Zoozie


Same results on WinPoker. 99.1%

But what the heck, how can you not pay right on a natural royal flush? That's got to be the screwiest thing I've ever seen. Imagine hitting a natural royal and being paid 25 coins. What the heck are they thinking? That's crazy. :rolleyes:
 

tennis_balls

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it is crazy. the only reason i can think of is that it might discourage a VP player to take the bonus to go for the royal. i can't imagine that game gets much play. it's very un-Australian to lower the variance IMHO.
 

Simmo!

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...and props to AusVegas for being the only online site of which i'm aware that publishes the payout % for each individual game including their slots.

Wagerworks casinos do this but 'cos your peers elected too many moral evangelists, you're banned. Sorry - I mean you've been "saved" :p Hallelujah.
 
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