Atlantic Interbet

[Mike from Oz]

Mark,
wrt your suggestion of a program to dump 10M or so video poker hands, I think that's a great idea. I'm a programmer, so I'll be very interested to see how this program works. The main thing is to make sure that it gets the cards served from exactly the same server as players do. There is a potential for disruption to actual service, unless you have a magnificent server that has plenty of spare time on its hands, so I expect this to take a fair amount of time to run (perhaps over a day).

I'd be very happy to publish the results on my page; this is exactly the sort of thing that I think players want to see (or if they don't, they should!)

Please email me at emmerik@powerup.com.au to organise the details.

I commend you again for your pro-active response to this situation.

- Mike from Oz

 

[Mark @ iB]

Mike,

10 million rounds of video poker can't come from the server, it would bog everything down. Rather, it makes more sense to send you the algorithm used in the "create a hand process" so you can see the RNG isn't off. Once you've agreed to this, we'll have to get AIB to corroborate their stats of your video poker card frequencies with your own findings - one step at a time for now is probably the best place to start.

Even a standalone program to run 10 mill iterations will take several hours on your own PC to run, but I'll design the program so you can multi-task at the same time and do other things.

I'll try and get something going this week and contact you in mail, Mike - thx.

Sirius: ask the AIB staff, I recall them all excited over a $1000 lottery ticket winner just the other day.

Regards,

-Mark @ iB

 

[Mike from Oz]

Mark,
this is a start, but there is still the nagging doubt that the code you hand me won't be the same as the one that the server is really using. Sort of like a business that has two sets of books - one for the shonky deals and one for the tax man to see.

But even if you say that the 10 mil deals comes from the server, I'd still have to take on faith that they did come from there, not from some other program using Linux's /dev/random (about the best you can get with PC hardware, I'm told; "cryptographically safe".) So I guess that there will always be some element of faith. Even if I were in your office and traced the cabling and installed the software myself, I still wouldn't be sure that it was the "real server" that I was interrogating.

Besides, if as I suspect the error (if it exists) is accidental, the process you are suggesting should pick it up. Also, we can divide up the results into 43,000 play samples, and see how many of them have <,=1.9% fewer deuces than expected.

- Mike

 

[sirius]

The code for the scratch tickets offline ('practise' mode) is certainly completely different to the server code. Why did you deceive people in this way?


<,Mark,
<,this is a start, but there is still the nagging <,doubt that the code you hand me won't be the same <,as the
<,one that the server is really using. Sort of like <,a business that has two sets of books - one for <,the shonky
<,deals and one for the tax man to see.

 

[Babygirl7]

Mark,

Dammit I am pretty upset. Not because of what I am about to say, but because I was given no other choice but to come here and post again. Unfortunately, you are never reachable.

The other day I had an altercation with HRT, which necessitated in Wendy getting involved. I explained to Wendy what happened and she assured me that she would speak to HRT in the morning. Well, your "manager(?)" Wendy, told HRT to put me on her ignore list. I could not care less, except when HRT is running tournaments I cannot ask any questions, should the need arise.

Now this is actually pretty comical. Is that what you would call a "managerial decision"? It puts me at a terrible disadvantage during your tournaments.

I am not going to bad mouth AIB. Not because of lack of ammunition, just lack of desire. Therefore, since I chose to make a decent decision, I strongly suggest that you have a talk with Wendy and get this straightened out. Lord knows, if I have to come here one more time, my next posting will not be as sweet. That is my promise to you: }}}

 

[Wendy]

The decision was sweeter than your mouth was to my pitbosses, which is why I advised them to place you on ignor. It was an unfortunate decision, but one that had to be made, so that they could function without constant berating and vulgarity from you Baby.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

Wendy just by you coming here and posting confirms your ignorance. For starters it was your "professional Pitboss" who CALLED ME and laughed at me for losing the tournament. So you are damned straight that I reacted. You promised me that you would speak to your pitboss and that she was out of line. Therefore, you are not only ignorant but you are a liar.

By the way, "ignor" is spelled "ignore". So instead of pretending to be a "manager" go buy a dictionary so you can learn to spell six letter words.

 

[Wendy]

BABY (how suiting)
I did speak to my pit boss, and I told her it was best to ignor(e) insults that are thrown out of ignorance, than to tolerate them.
I didn't realize you were the literary major, I thought you mentioned a club maid at ellies, thank you for correcting my spelling errors, I will take your suggestion and purchase a dictionary.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

Wendy,

You really have to stop showing everyone your true intellect level. You see, when speaking in public, it usually is proper to know what you are talking about. I do not know what a club maid at ellies is, but it has nothing to do with me. However, I do own a poker club.

I am so sorry that you think it takes a literary major to spell the word "ignore". Then again, compared to you, I probably am one.

 

[Wendy]

touche!

 

[***osito]

Baby

you are rude, controlling and just downright mean, and you thrive on it , that's about the bottom line, that and the need to get people united for no particular reason, you like to call the shots , but you're just too abrasive. face it you are mean and vicious, you have, in open chat, called all of us Fuckers, or housewives, or ignorant or assholes , the list goes on and on , and we have taken it, trust me when i say this , we have been far beyond professional dealing with you, and by the way i'm not speaking in public , i'm typing. I don't care what you think about us, and i'll tell you why, you're behavior in the casino made me lose any respect for you, a long time ago. oh and we still don't care who wins tourneys, as always , we track the % , we post the winner , and you just bitch about it , hell you bitch about it when you've come in first, it's really enough to drive a sane person crazy. I for one will not let you berate my friends/co-workers again, not in the casino at least have a nice day!


***osito
AiB Pitboss
www.atlanticinterbet.com

 

[sirius]

The code for the scratch tickets offline ('practise' mode) is certainly completely different to the server
code. Why did you deceive people in this way?


<,Mark,
<,this is a start, but there is still the nagging
<,doubt that the code you hand me won't be the same
<,as the one that the server is really using. Sort
<,of like a business that has two sets of books -
<,one for the shonky deals and one for the tax man
<,to see.

 

[Anonymous]

Hmmmm still no answer Sirius. I wonder why??? For the record, It's not just the scratch tickets. Try
as I might. It's seems to be impossible to LOSE 75% of my video poker hands offline. While online, It's occurrence is quite regular.
I'm also wondering why we haven't seen anything about the RNG check???

 

[Anonymous]

Seems to be a lot of unanswerable questions here so I'll post another one... WHERE ARE THE BONUSES FOR THE REGULAR PLAYERS MARK??? It has been several weeks now and still nothing. Maybe RJ was correct in doubting you and ibmamabear was incorrect for giving you the benefit of anything. Don't try to blow it off on needing to write a program because you obviously had some kind of program in effect to be able to award NON-PLAYING MEMBERS bonuses. Since the bonuses were not all the same it stands to logic that you had some sort of methodology in place to award them. Guess this is just another case of AiB staff/execs being absolutely full of crapola! You can be assured that no more of my money will go into that place! I have deleted AiB from my system.

 

[BABYGIRL]

OK MARK HERE WE GO AGAIN!

SINCE YOU DO NOT ANSWER EMAILS, I HAVE NO RECOURSE BUT TO COME TO THE FORUM AND POST MY QUESTIONS.

WHERE ARE THE BONUSES FOR REGULAR PLAYERS?

I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY STORIES ABOUT YOU WRITING A PROGRAM...THAT IS NOT TRUE. YOU KNEW HOW MUCH MONEY TO GIVE THE NON-PLAYING PLAYERS, THEREFORE, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE REGULAR PLAYERS DESERVE.

NORMALLY, I WOULD JUST WALK AWAY FROM THIS SITUATION, BUT YOU MADE THE FATAL MISTAKE OF LYING DIRECTLY TO ME WHEN WE MET. THEREFORE, UNTIL BONUSES ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE REGULAR PLAYERS I WILL CONTINUE TO WRITE HERE.

AIB IS LOSING AN AVERAGE OF ONE PLAYER A DAY, DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT MANY TO START WITH.

SO LETS GET WITH THE PROGRAM, GIVE THE BONUSES AS PROMISED AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A SHOT AT SAVING THIS SINKING SHIP. IF NOT, TRUST ME, THE TITANIC HAD A BETTER SURVIVAL CHANCE THAN AIB DOES.

 

[Laurel214]

Bravo Babygirl, I also sent a message to Mark while in Interbet but of course he did not reply!! I can't express how upset and disappointed I was when I found out about non-regular players receiving bonus money. After the thousands of dollars I have personally dropped there not to receive a bonus was, in my opinion, a fatal mistake on the part of AIB. But you know how Mark lies, look at his response when I confronted him about changing the machines, he denied it to the death! I know as well as all the other regular players who have sat for hours on end playing those machines, that they are definately different for the last 2 months. I can't wait to see the winners list published for the months of December and January, you could probably post it on a matchbook cover. Also, speaking about that list, that shows you how the people at AIB lie!! Midnight is listed as winning $25,000 hmmmm I do believe that happened at least six months ago and should not be appearing on the list for October/November. Now Mark, please do not make a post telling me how much money I won cause then I will have to counter with how much money I LOST!! So don't even go there.

 

[RJVBU]

WTG Babygirl and Laurel. I applaud you. I was beginning to think everyone had conveniently forgotten about the promised bonuses (as I'm sure was AiB's intention of putting it off this long).

I have to say that I am just not having fun anymore. All my friends are leaving or have left. The only reason I stay is because I still talk to my mother there.

I was "verbally reprimanded" by Mark for my previous post. Evidently I called the kettle too black to suit the cook. But it is now obvious that maybe I was the one all along who was right. (Thanks Anonymous, you spoke my feelings exactly.)

Where ARE the bonuses Mark? Why have Babygirl, Laurel, DeeGee, and numerous others left the site? A better question would be why did you let it get to this point?

In our last communication, via page, after verbally slapping my hands you ended with "believe it or not, I'm trying to be your friend".... well, I don't know about you, but my friends don't generally lie to my face. If they did, they wouldn't be my friends.

Also, I'd like to know what kind of calendar you have. From what I see in this message.....

"You'll be happy to hear that as of next week, software has been written to allow tournaments to no longer be affected by time constraints. Most of the tournies will gradually move over to a set amount of hands to be played."

your weeks obviously run a LOT longer than mine do as your post with the above was dated 1/9 and it is now 2/1.

I just want to be told the truth so I can make an educated decision about whether or not I choose to play at AiB any longer. I stated I would play through the end of January to have a chance at the DVD drawing (which I won so I'm glad I stayed), however, I don't see much incentive to stay any longer since I can rarely even win my quarter back.

I'll be anxious to see if/when/how you respond to these allegations.

 

[Babygirl]

Mark it is extremely unfair that you do not respond to your players' inquiries. I am very disappointed. What does the owner, Roger, have to say? Does he care? Do you? I can't believe my judgement was so far off when it came to trusting you. I have proven that "my word" is gold...you have succeeded in proving that "your word and AIB's" is tarnished.

You have my deepest sympathy.

 

[BABYGIRL]

To All AIB regular and new players:

The time has come for me to tell you the truth about Atlantic Interbet. The Regular Players already know the scam with the phony Kisses and smiley faces that the pits give. So, therefore, this is basically for the new players.

First of all, when you go to AIB's home page, it will tell you that they give away over $4,000 a week in tournaments and 10,000 free spins. This is not true. The money they give away amounts to $2,500 and the free spins mean nothing. They only pay the minimum bet, even if you hit the maximum bet button. So if you are lucky enough to win a tournament, and lose only $20 or $30 dollars, you will get free spins, but never get your money back that you spent in the tournament.

Additionally, on AIB's homepage, you will see a list of winners for the last 30 days. Do you know how many there are? TWELVE!!! For a site that runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 12 winners is not something to be proud of...also, the money posted beside these 12 players is not money won on one winning hit. It is an accumulation of what they won during the month. Therefore, you have to realize that even though that player might have accumulated a couple of hundred or thousand in wins...it actually cost them double that, at the minimum, in losses. AIB does not calculate the losses verses the wins, they just post wins and disregard the losses.

Now, underneath the list of winners for the last 30 days, is an arrow which you can click for a list of more winners. Those are people who won a long time ago. Not in October/November as indicated. Perfect example is Midnite. They have her posted as winning $25,000 in that October/November listing and this is a lie. I am playing at AIB since June of 1999 and Midnite had won long before I appeared on the scene.

AIB has a very attractive homepage, very pretty graphics, and a somewhat friendly group of pitbosses. However, all of this means nothing, if you are going to walk away a loser every session.

The machines have all been re-programmed. They are tight and do not pay anything on a maximum bet. Occassionally, you will hit something on a minimum bet.

Their major draw for players are their tournaments. The unfortunate situation here is that they are just money eaters. You will never come out ahead in the long run. Bear in mind, that it is these touraments that are AIB's bread and butter.

The executives have lied to all the regular players. You see, months ago, they offered very generous cash bonuses to non-playing players who had left AIB. When the regular players learned of this, we were promised by the Executives of AIB that we would also receive bonuses, as a reward for our loyalty to this site. Well, it is no secret but that was just another ploy on AIB's part to keep us there. The Bonuses were NEVER given.

I hope I have clarified to many of the players, old and new alike, exactly how AIB rips us off. I am sorry for everyone, including myself, who fell for their nonsense.

 

[Laurel214]

Hey Mark, by ignoring us and not addressing the issues, I assure you will not make us go away!!

It is quite oblivious that we are not going to get our bonuses as you promised, so be it. However, I have taken up a new hobby as of today, and that is making sure everyone is aware of the goings on in your casino. This will include
personal emails to players, as well as postings on any gambling forum I can find. By the way, did you know that Gambling.Com will be putting in a forum for the Best and Worst Casinos?? Guess who will be their first post?? I found out this information after I sent an email expressing my disgust with their site by allowing Atlantic Interbet to manipulate their players from their sister site Interbet Casino to vote for them, thus pushing up their ratings unjustly.
Mr. Graeme Levin from Gambling.com told me about this new forum they are instituting and suggested it might be of interest to me.

You know Mark its a shame, AIB had a good thing going. They had the greatest online gambling site on the web in my opinion. Great Graphics, Super Pits, fun players and super atmosphere and you blew it !! I cant believe management let that happen. You change the machines so now they wont pay a dime, you change the tournaments
so they are not even worth playing, you give bonus to players on a pick and choose basis and upset all the other players and wont answer mail, messages or even this forum. You leave us no other choice but to bash your casino in every way possible. In honesty, I dont even know if the damage can be repaired at this point.

When I approached you and asked you right out if the machine settings had been changed you denied it and got extremely upset with me. Well just look at your current winners page for the last 30 days, if you total them ALL it amounts to $17,341.00 TOTAL. Back in October (before the maintenance/changes were made) I won more than that by myself, not including all the other players that were winning. I really dont know what you guys were thinking of when you made that change. Did you honestly think we wouldnt notice!! But worse than that, I confronted you and you denied it to my face. As usual, more lies.

So take heed Mark and the boys, you will go down I promise. By the way, when can I expect to see the winners list for December and January I could use a good chuckle??

 

[razl]

I am one of the "regular" players at AIB. As with all online casinos, I registered at AIB with the hope of "hitting the big one" but with my expectations set much lower. To me, the enjoyment of playing is of foremost importance. I have little or no knowledge of how online casinos programme their software, nor do I care. If I incur consistant losses, regardless of the game I play, I leave and don't play there again. As well, if I perceive that there is a lack of fair play on the part of the casino, I will also leave. I expect, when frequenting a casino, that any concerns I may have will be addressed by the appropriate personnel. This has been my experience at AIB. I have always received satisfaction in a timely manner from them.
I enjoy the interaction with other patrons, as well as the staff. I look upon the tournaments as an added bonus for that casino, because I know of very few casinos that offer numerous tournaments on a daily basis. However, these tournaments are not mandatory, so I am selective as to which tournaments I enter. I know that certain games, i.e. blackjack or keno, and I do not mix so I will not play in those tournaments. But it is my choice.
I am aware of the prizes for these tournaments prior to entering, so if I choose to partake, I am consenting to those prizes and I wager accordingly. Again, it's all about choice!
I believe that players must take responsibility for their actions, and if unhappy, or unlucky, at a casino, leave. There are numerous other casinos from which to choose.
However, the number one rule must always be:
Don't bet more than you can afford to lose.

 

[BABYGIRL]

RAZL:

YOU ARE CORRECT, PLAYERS MUST TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS. WHAT ABOUT THE CASINOS? DO YOU THINK IT IS OKAY TO BE LIED TO? BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT AIB DID. THEY PROMISED ALL OF THE REGULAR PLAYERS BONUSES FOR THEIR LOYALTY TO AIB. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THEIR PROMISE. APPARENTLY, SOMEONE AT AIB MUST BE PAYING YOU TO WRITE HERE AT THE FORUM AND POST POSITIVES ABOUT THAT SITE. UNFORTUNATELY, AS USUAL, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

BY THE WAY, PROGRAMME IS SPELLED PROGRAM:}}}

 

[razl]

I did not post my previous message as an endorsement of shady actions on the part of any casino. I was merely stating my experiences with the casino. No, I have NOT been paid to write positive comments about the casino, and I feel sorry for you if you believe that all positive comments about AIB must have been bought. As an aside, Americans spell it "program" but Canadians (me) and the British spell it "programme". We may spell words differently, and use different expressions than Americans, but I know that we are all aiming for the same result. That is to be able to play at legitimate online casinos, have fun,and hopefully win some time.

 

[Anonymous]

BABYGIRL AND OTHERS,

MY AGREEING NOTE WITH YOU --
ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS GIFTS TO OTHER PLAYERS: I TOO WAS HURT WHEN
I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, BUT IT LASTED 10 SECONDS. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?
CASINOS MARKET AND PROMOTE ALL THE TIME, I GET FLYERS FROM CAESARS
ALL THE TIME OFFERING ME HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS IF I COME BETWEEN
CERTAIN DATES, ITS CALLED PROMOTIONS AND THE NAME OF THE GAME. IF
YOU ALL CANT ACCEPT IT YOU HAVE NO PLACE GAMBLING, SISTERS - MOVE
ON WITH YOUR LIVES.

MY NON AGREEING NOTE WITH YOU --
I AM COMPLETELY FED UP WITH YOUR ATTITUDES. ALL OF YOU. YOU COME
INTO AIB, TRYING TO RILE PEOPLE UP AND BITCH ABOUT THIS AND THAT,
BUT THE SIMPLE FACT IS - YOU ALL *** LOVE *** AIB OBVIOUSLY! WHY
ON EARTH WOULD YOU EXERT SO MUCH ENERGY TO BITCHING ABOUT A PLACE
UNLESS YOU CARE? THERE IS THE PROBLEM - PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT A
PLACE SHOULDN'T KNOCK IT AND BADMOUTH IT.

I HAVE GAMBLED AT ZILLIONS OF ONLINE CASINOS, SOME THAT TOOK $100
OF MY MONEY OTHERS THAT TOOK $1000'S - I AM AN ADULT, AND I MAKE
MY OWN DECISIONS WHERE I WILL PLAY - IF I DONT LIKE THE ODDS AT
ONE CASINO OR FEEL THE MACHINES ARE TIGHT, I MOVE ON TO ANOTHER.
YET YOU ARE ALWAYS COMING BACK TO AIB, THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING
RIGHT, AND THAT GOES FOR THE LOT OF YOU! IF YOU'RE GONNA BITCH
OR MOAN, DO IT! AND BE DONE WITH IT, AND STOP COMING BACK INTO
OUR SITE AND RUINING IT FOR THE REST OF US WHO ARE VERY HAPPY WITH
AIB AND THE PROGRAMS THERE. IF YOU AINT HAPPY, MOVE ON! ALL YOU
ARE DOING TO THOSE READING IS MAKING THEM SCRATCH THEIR HEAD AND
WONDER WHY ON EARTH PEOPLE WOULD CONTINUE TO BITCH ABOUT A PLACE
PUBLICALLY AND YET STILL GAMBLE THERE HOURS EVERY DAY!!! DO YOU
REALIZE HOW UNCREDIBLE THIS MAKES YOU ALL SOUND????????????????????

I WONDER WHAT SOME OF YOU MUST BE LIKE IN REAL LIFE TO BE SO
SOCIALLY BACKWARDS.. I HAVE LEFT CAESARS'S IN VEGAS MANY A NIGHT
CURSING AT THE MACHINES, THE CASINOS, UNDER MY BREATH, VOWING
I'D NEVER BE BACK - YET I CAME BACK THE NEXT JUNKET AND YAH, SOMETIMES
I DID IT AGAIN. I GUESS BECAUSE THE INTERNET ALLOWS US ALL TO SPEAK,
WE DO - BUT FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE PEOPLE, UNDERSTAND THAT THE PEOPLE BITCHING
IN THESE FORUMS ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST LOST MONEY LIKE THE MILLIONS OF
UNSPOKEN OTHERS IN THE REAL LAND CASINOS DO EVERY DAY - YOU JUST HAPPEN
TO BE READING IT, IS ALL, AND IF YOU TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, OR THESE PEOPLE,
YOU'RE BEING NAIVE.

BABYGIRL, I HAVE PLAYED IN MANY TOURNAMENTS WITH YOU, AND BEEN
ASTONISHED AT YOUR FOUL-MOUTHED LANGUAGE TO THE STAFF AND PLAYERS... YOU
MUST BE A VERY BITTER PERSON IN REAL LIFE, AND I FEEL DEEP SADNESS FOR
YOU, BUT PLEASE - TAKE IT TO THE SHRINK, OR GAMBLER'S ANONYMOUS, AND STAY
OUT OF THE PEOPLE'S LIVES WHO KNOW HOW TO GAMBLE AND ENJOY THEMSELVES.

I REFUSE TO POST MY REAL NAME BECAUSE I WANT TO CONTINUE THE TOURNAMENTS
AIB OFFERS AND ENJOY MY VISITS THERE BUT IF THIS KEEPS UP I WILL BEGIN
COMPLAINING TO CASINO ABOUT YOU PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR - YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
NOT THE SOLUTION.

 

[RJVBU]

In response to Anonymous...

I also enjoy playing at AiB. I enjoy being able to sit and chat with my mom (without paying a long distance bill) and friends, playing a quarter at a time if that's all I have to play.

It used to be about the money with me too, I must sadly admit. But, since I've vowed not to fall into the same pitfall of making deposit after deposit, after deposit just to try and win some of my money back, I've learned I can survive playing a quarter at a time for the sheer entertainment value.

Except for a couple of occasions, I feel I have, for the most part, presented myself courteous in the casino so I take exception to your words above. I do not make it a point to cause trouble or create a ruckus. I may or may not even get involved in conversations and arguments that appear in the chat box. I have been frustrated and angry before but tried to direct my questions and frustrations to the pitbosses via page.

What I am NOT happy with is being lied to. That's the irritating and aggravating part. I can't condone AiB's false promises and deceiving ways. Had AiB been honest with us up front about the bonuses, we still wouldn't have been happy, but we'd have probably gotten over it or moved on by now. Being lied to about them just served to draw it out longer.

I'm not going to threaten to leave or this or that... I will continue to play there as long as I (1) have money without going deeper into debt, (2) have my mom & friends to talk to and (3) enjoy myself. When one or all of these requirements are gone, then maybe I will be too. Who knows. All I want is the truth. That's all I hope to accomplish by posting here.