Atlantic Interbet major financial problems?

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moffett

Guest
I wish that casinomeister would investigate Atlantic Interbet casino. They seem to be in dire financial straights. For most of this year they have been conducting an 'audit' which has resulted in the delays of payments to customers for 2 to 3 MONTHS!! Even those who have been members for years and received payments in the past have been subject to this alleged audit. In mid June, most players that had been awaiting payments for up to 3 months FINALLY received their checks. Now it again appears that they are in the midst of another (or perhaps the same?) 'audit'. Players that withdrew funds in June are again being told the same lies about the checks being delayed due to fraudulent activity and investigations. Again, these are well established players at AIB and have already had their identities verified previously. All of this at a MINIMUM cost of $7 per check request! And that is not by overnight service either, just regular US registered mail delivery (fedex and wire transfer is much more expensive and not processed any faster).

Combine this with other recent developments at AIB and people should be VERY wary about playing there. Over the past few months, they have instituted rules which will no longer allow players to change seats during a tournament (claiming it will prevent cheating), but what it does is force a player to continue playing at a cold machine or drop out. Couple that with the other new rule that says if there are fewer than 5 players who finish a tournament, the 'prizes' are cut in half (and they have already been cut way back in recent months). Recently, they fired at least two of their tournament directors (with only a few hours notice, btw) as 'cost cutting measures'. They completely eliminated cash blue light specials. If you win free spins in a tournament, you must use them immediately and cannot bank them any longer. The latest rule is that you must join a tournament within 5 minutes of the tournament director's start time (which can be up to + or - 5 mins from your clock!) or you can't play. Coincidentally (?) this cuts down on the number of initial players and increases the likelyhood of having few enough players at the end of the tournament to declare 1/2 prizes. And, to top it all off, they no longer have any programmers to fix all of the broken tournament games (blackjack, red dog, paigow, etc etc etc) or the 7 card stud poker room that has been 'being fixed' for more than a year now. Probably more cost cutting measures.

Another interesting fact is that their nightly prize drawing seems to only be won once in every 6 or so weeks. Usually the names drawn are 'players' that none of the regulars has ever seen or heard of. Some regular players have never been drawn either as winners or 'offline' winners (a.k.a loser). There have been no large jackpots won on any of the progressive machines in quite some time either. Their 'recent winners' link on the website shows about a dozen big winners, most of whom had their wins at least a year or more ago (the majority of them haven't played there for almost that long as well). Some players even believe that some of the games there are less than legitimate, at least one of whom left because of his disgust with the consitently 'lucky' dealers.

The latest scam is the Coral Club, which promises first class benefits, etc. but really doesn't deliver. Membership is by application only and the qualifications are simple (but not revealed to applicants): You must deposit frequently AND lose consistently. If not, then they aren't interested in you. As a reward you get exclusive tournaments that are frequently cancelled due to lack of interest (and they are usually the games with the worst odds in the place to boot, like Pirates Poker a.k.a Caribbean Stud). Don't expect to get your money any quicker if you're a Coral Club member though. You'll be waiting just as long as the regular players (some benefit huh?).

Its quite unfortunate really, the software and atmosphere was really great for a while, as were most of the people. Then the management apparently decided they needed to make more money and essentially ruined the place. They don't even have a TOLL number to call for questions/support, let alone a toll free number. Everything has to be done thru email. If you value your money, stay away from this casino!

Someone needs to take a serious look at this place and their financial situation and report back to the unsuspecting internet community. I urge Casinomeister to do so as quickly as possible.
 

jack

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 23, 2001
I am one of the stalwart players at AIB who finally saw the light and left. So many changes occurred that in my opinion were detrimental to the validity of this casino. One new rule, not mentioned by moffett, is the following quote from AIB's announcements:

***Tournament News, Atlantic Interbet is #1*** - Atlantic Interbet allows only one First Place win (By actual win or by defaulted win) per tournament lineup daily schedule in an effort to get more players involved in that pure joy that comes from winning a Tournament.

***NEW*** - ANY player can now win a 2nd Tourney in the same tournament scheduled day providing Their second win occurs during our late night tournament hours (Tourneys that begin between 12 am to 3 am.) NO Player can win 3 normal Tourneys in a Tournament Scheduled Day.

I find this rule amusing, and wonder if AIB officers would impose the same rule on the Olympics, for example. After all, more Olympians would then be able to experience the pure joy that comes from winning an event.
I think it is time for AIB to wake up and face reality. The casino is based on tournaments, and players spend their own money in the tournaments in the hopes of winning. If a player comes first in a tournament, is it fair that they lose by default, so that others can experience the "joy of winning"? Some may call me selfish, but this is gambling after all, and I am there to win if I can.
When choosing a casino online, many factors come into play. Perhaps the most important of these is whether a player will receive his money. Another is the validity of the games. Both of these issues have come into question in the past 6 months.
I chose to take a stand and voice my displeasure with AIB by withdrawing my funds. Others have chosen to stick it out, in the hopes that AIB will reverse many of the " new rules" that have degregated a fine casino.
 

linda127

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 24, 2001
I hate to say "I told you so", but I did. I warned everyone over a year ago about AIB. If you check the archives you can read all of my posts and the "stupid" responses given by the staff of AIB. For those who are choosing to stick it out with the hopes that AIB will become a respectable casino, I can assure you that will never happen. The staff and the owners are LIARS. I hope you all get the money owed to you and take it to other online honest casinos.

By the way, I used to played there under the name of Babygirl7.
 
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aibsupport

Guest
Although we do not have anyone registered under the name moffet in our database, based on the detail of this persons complaint and the ambiguous references, we can assume that this is one of the customer support representatives that was fired last month (the statement regarding how much time was given before the two reps were released is an indicator in our eyes). Anyone who has ever owned a business realizes the exposure that one is subjected to when releasing an employee.
The statement alluding to the dire straits of Atlantic Interbet couldnt be farther from the truth. While it is true that many accounts have been audited due to a string of fraudulent activity, Atlantic Interbet is proud of its record in handling these matters. While some other casinos simply locked out the entire country of Denmark, we chose instead to investigate each account individually, to see if their credit cards were in a number set that could be matched with fraudulent accounts. This was and continues to be a time consuming effort, but we feel that in the end, it is our players who will benefit from our due diligence. It is our commitment to serve our players and to honor their play. Some checks were delayed, and we have been brutally candid in relaying this information to the players, comping many for their patience and understanding. We value the players above all else, and without them, we would not have been voted #1 Best Casino Software in this years Casino Player Magazine Best of Online Gaming issue.

The other complaints listed are utterly ridiculous:
They are simply statements of our rule changes in our tournament play. Only players who have played in our tournaments can understand what moffet is talking about. We are truly unique in that we offer tournament play all-day long. Throughout the day, any player can enter a tournament, for free, and win additional prize money for placing 1st, 2nd or 3rd. Is it wrong to cancel a tournament if the minimum of 5 people playing in a tournament is not met??
Sometimes, 3:00pm is not a popular time, and that minimum is not met. That tournament is then cancelled. We also award free-spins for some 3rd place wins. We now insist that the players use these spins while they are online. Up until this policy change, some players had been banking these free spins, and some had not made a deposit in our casino for OVER A YEAR!! They had been using the free-spins and making monthly withdrawals. This also explains the assertion of our Coral Club being a scam. Although we do have a proprietary formula for determining an acceptance or denial from our Coral Club (an Atlantic Interbet exclusive reward club for loyal players) we feel obliged at this time to inform everyone of two of the criteria.
1) Publicly noted: A player must be registered for at least 6 months.
2) Proprietary: A player must have made at least 1 deposit (after their initial sign-on bonus was awarded).

Due to our excellent payout percentages, combined with our tournament offerings, this rule was put in place to prevent professional gamblers from drawing a regular salary from us (as a few had been).
Atlantic Interbet now has more active players than ever before. We feel that is reprehensible for the Editor to make such slanderous ending footnotes. It is an affront to unbiased journalism and where once we considered casinomeister to be a fair judge, we now see rash and cocky judgments with no regard for the facts. We would expect an apology for such an irresponsible statement as was made by the editor as an endnote:
I guess many of them have abandoned this casino. Anyone care to comment?
CasinoMeisters Editors note is both ignorant and misleading. We expect more from a site that players go to for reliable information regarding where they can take their gaming money securely and with confidence. We hope the editor will give equal time to this response in the CasinoMesiter Newsletter.

Atlantic Interbet is now in its 3rd year of operation and continues to be one of the most reliable and trustworthy casinos on the internet. There are some bigger casinos, but none are more fair.
 
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ch865

Guest
Had a P.I. do a check on Atlantic Interbet.. This is the response I received:
My first reaction to your email was; listen to your intuition. If there
is
enough red flags popping up, something is not right. We might not be
able to
prove it, but your gut feelings are usually accurate. You're the paying
customer and it doesn't sound like you're getting the service and
enjoyment
you expect from the casino. There are many other fine sites out there.
Check
out our top 10 sites page: www.casinopi.com/topsites.htm

Here is what I was able to gather in a short glimpse at the casino.

They are licensed with the Internet Gaming Commission. They list with
the
IGC that they do not accept bets from the following states:

CT - CONNECTICUT
FL - FLORIDA
HI - HAWAII
KS - KANSAS
LA - LOUISIANA
MN - MINNESOTA
MO - MISSOURI
NV - NEVADA
UT - UTAH
WI - WISCONSIN

I was not able to find this information on their web site. Misleading.
In my
experience with others who do this, they will except your bets, but not
pay
you out any monies.

I found the answers to these IGC questions a little troubling: Do you
return funds in a customer's account to the family if it is discovered
that
the customer is deceased? No (Why not??)
Do you charge a fee to send funds to a customer?
Yes

If Yes, what are the fees?

The fees currently applicable to withdrawals is as follows ... credit
card
refund $2/$2.50, official bank wire $15/$17, official bank cheque
$17.50/$22.50. However, on their site they say:

*Please note that Atlantic interBet wire transfers are initiated
off-shore.
You may incur additional fees from this routing process as funds may
pass
through multiple corresponding banks before they reach their final
destination. These are NOT Atlantic interBet fees, but rather fees
charged
by the corresponding banks for processing your wire. Atlantic interBet
does
not take responsibility for these potential additional fees.

I found this also troubling: In order to verify your mailing address,
we
ask that you FAX a recent copy of your credit card statement to:

Why??

The following msg was posted on 5/29/01 on the IGC msg board:

"They told me and several others you could withdraw the bonus after
wagering
100 then said
you couldn't when I tried. Their atm also stole 25 from my account and
they
denied it and refuse
to credtit it back to my account. I am currently looking into legal
action."

They are licensed to operate by the Government of Antigua/Barbuda,
which
really doesn't mean anything.
dirgaming.gov.ag/licenseeInfo.asp?ID=265 Licensed: 8 Jan 99
expires: 1 Apr 02

Their current new player bonus is a rip-off compared to most other
casinos.
Heavily restricted.

Their domain name: Record expires on 07-Oct-2001 (of course there is
ample
time to renew this)

The bottom line for me after reviewing their site was: They reserve the
right to do whatever they want to do, however they want to do it, and
without having to tell you about it. After reading numerous recent
(past 6
months) complaints from different forum boards, I wouldn't hang around
to
see if they go under. Besides, I wouldn't play anywhere where I can't
pick
up the phone and talk to someone live right then and there.

I hope this information helps you.

Feel free to contact us again if you have further questions or other
gambling needs.
 
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rjvbu

Guest
I was a player at AiB in the beginning. I am still sitting here laughing my butt off at their comment above that they have more active players now than ever before. This is one of the best jokes I've heard in ages! Anyone who played "way back when" can tell you it is not even CLOSE. When the prizes dropped and the machines went cold, many players left. Many more left when the promised bonuses never came about. Still others left when all the "new and improved tournament rules" took effect. My husband stopped playing completely when the "one win per day" rule took effect. He actually TIED for first place in a tournament, received only HALF the prize, and then was denied a win later in the day. My mother had unauthorized charges made to her credit card MONTHS after she quit playing there. I could go on and on but I won't.

Recently, as much as I hate to admit it, I started playing there again (depositing only the extra $5 or so that was in my Firepay account). Until today that is. I will never play at that casino again. I received an e-mail from a long time LOYAL patron of Aib. The e-mail contained a letter she received today from AiB stating that they wished to congratulate her on her exceptional gameplay and skill. However, it was unfortunate that at this time they felt they must escort her from the casino. They also said they would send her remaining bankroll to her free of charge. How very generous of them. Seems she had won a tidy little sum over the past THREE YEARS and hadn't lost enough to suit them. This woman was one of the nicest, friendliest, warm and loyal players they ever had. She was not a trouble maker nor did I ever hear anything derogatory ever said about her by anyone. She is one of the old timers from back when AiB was a fun place to play. This is the worst injustice I have EVER seen done by a casino either on land or on line. The amount she won over a three year span is not even a drop in the bucket compared to some of the jackpots I've seen won at other online casinos. The fact that AiB felt they "could not survive if all of our players were experts in the ways of gaming" as she was is very indicative of their situation in my opinion.

To the wiseass at AiB who wrote the long commentary above about how wonderful you are, I have this to say to you .... You people are the absolute bottom of the barrel. You are the slime of the earth. Any business who would stab their most loyal customers in the back deserves to be bankrupt without a dime and that is exactly my wish for you. You will never receive so much as another penny out of my pocket. People gamble because they expect to win. Some do, some don't. That's what the whole thing is about guys. We all strive to win. Maybe you need tell us right up front in your wonderful announcements page that we can come in and play but if we win you're going to escort us out. Maybe you need to be truthful to the public about what kind of place you're running. But you haven't been truthful about anything else, so why start now. What a pity. You used to be such a great place. There was a time when I couldn't wait to get home from work to log on and start playing. And while I may be nothing but a penny ante player now, I dropped quite a lot of bucks there in the old days. But it was fun. Then things started changing. It became nothing more than an okay place to play. You got greedy and you got in over your heads. The patrons have suffered and are suffering because of your lack of good business skills. I just can't help but wonder how many of the other players who have slipped away into the night have actually been "escorted from the casino".

To those players who have remained "faithful and loyal throughout the years"... I have this to say to you... Read this very carefully. This woman was exactly like you. YOU CAN BE NEXT.

Bye Bye AiB... won't be seein' ya.
 

linda127

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 24, 2001
Bravo RJVBU !!!!! I came here to post the same message you did! The person who was escorted out the door for winning (?) in AIB sent me a copy of the email as well. I am furious for the way they treated her. You and I remember the good old days, when AIB had some decency and integrity.
Now, all it has is greed. Wendy..one question for you...since you sent the email..how do you sleep at night? No amount of money is worth your dignity (oops forgot I was talking to an AIB employee...they dont have dignity!!!!!).

This is Babygirl7. Looking forward to your response Wendy. I miss the old days, when you made an [color=ff0000]•••••••[/color] out of yourself here at the forum.
 

gramsey

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 25, 2001
hi i am the lady that got booted from atlanticinterbet casino i was a loyal patron for 3 years without a problem i received an e-mail saying i was being escorted out for no reason except for being a winner
gramsey-- i am DEVASTATED & IN SHOCK i made so many wonderful new friends and spent many many hours in the casino every day the pit bossess are great and treated me grand i am sad to be forced out o a place i felt so at home in. win or lose i would never have quit playing . i am only a quarter slot machine player not a high roller but had great luck management tells me im a skilled player??? didnt know it took skill to play a slot machine
 

Casinomeister

Forum Cheermeister
Staff member
Joined
Jun 30, 1998
Location
Bierland
Dear AIBsupport,

My comments "reprehensible"??

Whoa, slow down here for just a minute, support. What I did was make an observance that AIB players had used Casinomeister's forum for many heated discussions in the past. For the past several months these discussion threads have lain dormant; thus my comment "Our forum was a hotspot for AIB players for awhile. I guess many of them have abandoned this casino. Anyone care to comment?"

This was not rash, cocky, nor slanderous. And I'd recommend checking out the term "slanderous" before tossing that statement around.

And how dare you come to my forum and bash me after I've taken the time to notify you whenever YOUR players come here and complain about YOUR casino. I do this as a courtesy to you, support. You have got a lot of nerve to make such a post that drips with subjective emotionalism, "ignorant and misleading", "affront to unbiased journalism"?

That's the last time I make any effort to contact you when any negative comments are made here.

Expect an apology? For what, may I ask?

Yeah, you can expect equal time for this in our newsletter, and on my radio show. You can bet on it AIB.

Bryan
 

gramsey

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 25, 2001
Subj: Farewell
Date: 8/24/01 3:48:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected] (Support)
To: [email protected]

Dear GRAMSEY,

We would like to congratulate you on your exceptional play over the past
year. You have shown tremendous skill and crafted game play.

It is unfortunate that we must at this time, escort you out of our
establishment.

While we admire your skillful play, we also recognize that we could not
survive if all of our players were experts in the ways of gaming as you
clearly are.

We salute our professionals and send them off to heartier winnings
elsewhere. Good Luck in all your endeavors.

As a sign of good faith, we will send your remaining bankroll to you,
charge-free.


Regards,

Wendy
Atlantic Interbet Support
Regards,

Wendy
Atlantic Interbet Support
 

gramsey

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 25, 2001
WOW : im a Pro at playing slots for penny-nickel and quarter. takes great skill to play a slot machine im sure . i never played any other game except the roulette which aib made all the losers
be t on to try to win 25 free spins in a tournament. you are mailing my remaining bankroll free of charge thanks but i paid plenty of $7.00 fees to get a check from you which took months i am now waitng since June 29th for my withdrawal but this is only Aug.26 the atm says at least 30 business days to receive a check that i am told has not even been processed yet.
 

linda127

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 24, 2001
Hi Gramsey,

I know that your are clearly, and righteously so, angry at AIB. However, now you know what is really behind this thievering site. It is disgusting what they did to you and it is even worse that you are waiting TWO months for your withdrawal!

These animals did you a favor. You are way too classy a lady to go slumming in a dive like AIB.

LOVE ALWAYS, LINDA (BABYGIRL7)
 

gramsey

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 25, 2001
Thank you baby for the support but i was happy at atlanticinterbet aside from winning i made wonderful friends and am sick over being discarded like trash what would aib have done if i opened the FAKE vault with my expertise. maybe a stick of dynamite would help open it lol i am now am hoping to receive my checks amounting to aprox. $1800.00 and yes i am a classy grandma of 9 who are all professional gamblers even the baby thats 2 years old
 

mary

Dormant account
Joined
Dec 12, 2000
This is strange. What is all this about "cold machines" and "changing seats"? There are no machines. There are no seats. This is on computers, folks. There's one machine, that's the server. And the letter to Gramsey is pretty weird, too. No land casino would throw out a slot player!
 

gramsey

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 25, 2001
Mary, i have have been escorted out of atlanticinterbet read the letter i have posted here i was a player of 3 years .. GRAMSEY
 

gramsey

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 25, 2001
i only played penny - nickel and quarter slots at aib except for roulette to try to win free spins for being a loser in a tourny i feel i have been treated un -fairly.
 

linda127

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 24, 2001
EVERYONE...NOTICE HOW THE MORONS FROM AIB HAVE NOT COME HERE TO POST ANY REASON FOR ESCORTING GRAMSEY OUT OF THEIR ESTABLISHMENT.

HOWEVER, THEY CAN'T COME HERE....THEY DO NOT HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON THAT WOULD JUSTIFY THEIR TREATMENT TO THIS LOVELY WOMAN.
 

gramsey

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 25, 2001
atlanticinterbet just give me a valid reason why you threw me out of the casino??? after 3 years I am loaded with e-mail from all the patrons which have become my friends i have not heard from 1 pit boss whom i became so friendly with its sad sad sad...in the tourny we use pictures for our names i was a laundry basket and almost every one is using that in sympathy for me. thank you aib players !!! I wonder who will be next to get escorted out .
 
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rjvbu

Guest
I think it's a nice gesture that the patrons are using Gramsey's icon as a signal to AiB that they are aware of what was done to her. However, this does absolutely nothing to protest this injustice. By continuing to patronize such a place and put money in their bank they are the winners and the ones who are making a statement. Their statement is "we can do this kind of thing any time we want and you will still come here and spend your money" and the really sad thing is that while everyone feels sympathy for Gramsey, they don't believe it could ever happen to them. It can. It will happen to someone else, just wait and see. If they could do this to someone like her, believe me, it would be easy to do it to anyone, anytime.

The ONLY way to make a statement to them is boycott them. DO NOT go there. DO NOT spend your money there. WITHDRAW every dime you have in the ATM whether it's $1.50 or $1500. Let them know you will NOT accept this kind of management. AiB will NEVER change until they are forced to. The only thing that will force them to make changes and to begin acting like a responsible business is for them to discover one day that there is no one there except their pits.

Well, I would never go anywhere that would not allow my family and friends to enter and therefore I will NOT play there. That is my statement to AiB and my salute to you Gramsey. I have the integrity to stand up for what I believe in and I believe what they did to you was the absolute worst.
 

gramsey

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 25, 2001
RJVBU: WOW you blew me away with that wonderful comment to me . I dont have the words right now i am sobbing thank you thank you!!! aib has made me so miserable i cant begin to tell you how it hurts to be singled out of so many players for doing nothing but WIN and never hurt anyone in the casino and played for hours every day .AIB SHAME ON YOU for doing this to me!!!! you cant take away the wonderful friends i made and the fun i had in chat. Please at least send me the $1800.00 you owe me
 
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moffett

Guest
Well it looks like once again someone has to clear up the misinformation put forth by 'aibsupport' in their response to my concerns.

First of all this ongoing 'audit for fraudulent credit card activity' is in itself a fraud. The proof of this is quite simple and they alluded to it in their response to my first posting. I know several players who make monthly withdrawls and are waiting for 2 - 3 months after each withdrawl for their checks, yet they haven't deposited ANY funds for many, many months. Those players' withdrawls are included in the 'audit' and take months to process, yet they have NO credit card activity to audit. These should be the easiest to process since there are NO credit card deposits associated with them, fraudulent or otherwise. It is nothing more than a way for Atlantic Interbet to delay paying ALL players, depoiting and otherwise, the money they are due for months at a time. The only reasonable explaination for that is they are having serious financial problems.

Secondly, Atlantic Interbet was voted #1 Best Casino SOFTWARE, not best casino. That award has nothing to do with the satisfaction of the players with the casino, just that they like your SOFTWARE the most. By the way, none of the players I know voted in or even knew about this poll.

The statement that "We also award free-spins for some 3rd place wins" is misleading. ALL 2nd and 3rd place wins are free-spin prizes for regular daily tournaments. The ONLY exception is the one or sometimes two Coral Club tournaments each day that are frequently cancelled or poorly attended. Tournament directors many times have to beg Coral Club members who are online to join a Coral Club tournament so it won't be cancelled.

As for all of the rules changes I cited previously, they are symptoms of the underlying condition of financial ill health.

Why should players who complete a tournament and finish in the top three places be penalized because some others drop out before they finish? What is wrong with players who are able to legitimately and consistently win tournaments and want to use their free spins at a later time? Or that they play well enough or budget themselves prudently so as not to need to deposit any funds for more than a year? Is this wrong somehow? Against some as yet unwritten rule?

Apparently it is! Take a look at the recent letter sent to the player known as Gramsey that was posted in this thread recently. She was banned from the casino because she was a winner. Not because she cheated, or was a professional gambler, simply because she was lucky. And we are only talking about less than $2000 of luck over the course of a few months. What happens if someone wins a large jackpot, or even opens the Vault door for almost $25,000? If a few hundred a month from one player is going to break their bankroll, what would this win do to them? Would the winner ever see the check, or more importantly would it even clear?

The criteria listed for Coral Club admittance were also lacking in detail. 'aibsupport' said that "A player must have made at least 1 deposit (after their initial sign-on bonus was awarded)." yet I know several players who have met this criteria that were denied admittance. Many became members of Atlantic Interbet BEFORE there ever was a sign-on bonus, and have made deposits since joining. However, they have withdrawn more than they deposited, so they are not welcome in the Coral Club.

The assertion that "Atlantic Interbet now has more active players than ever before" is laughable. This may be true strictly from the perspective of the database of active players, but anyone who has been there for any length of time knows the truth. At any given time when there is not a tournament in progress, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 5 players present. Look back a year ago, there were probably triple that number. Before that, there were even more. One night long long ago there were 100 players inside waiting for one of the $1000 nightly drawings. But that was before all of the new rules, cutbacks, and audits were implemented.

Finally, to borrow a phrase, the statement alluding that Atlantic Interbet "continues to be one of the most reliable and trustworthy casinos on the internet" couldnt be farther from the truth. They are neither. If you want to read something interesting, take a look back at the postings here at Casinomeister about the Tropika Casino problems and see if you notice a frighteningly similar trend in the excuses for slow payments, etc.

p.s. RJVBU & Babygirl, great postings! Keep telling everyone the truth about this place. And Gramsey, I'm so sorry for the way they have treated you. It is no way to treat a loyal, long-time patron such as yourself. You deserved better, they should be ashamed of themselves!
 
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bulldog02

Guest
I was a former player at AiB and most know me there as BullDog. When Interbet Casino locked me out of iB (the "FREE" online casino), I went to AiB and wasn't locked out. Those who know about how AiB was created in the first place, know that the Corporation started iB (www.interbetcasino.com) to TEST and see if the software was good enough to establish the "REAL MONEY CASINO" AiB. Take out the "bugs" and all.

****Mark CREATED that program for AiB, which isn't owned by an owner in Antigua, but in the USA. I HAVE their phone number as I have the information of who REALLY OWNS AiB as well as iB. Mark was just a programmer for the Corporation, yet his program was bringing in millions upon millions of dollars.

So Mark wanted MORE. All the pits that work in AiB are ALSO workers at iB,,,,most have been shifted to the iBMarketing Dept, including ***Wendy, ***osito, ***HRTofQUEEN, ***TruBlu, the FORMER FIRED PITS ***MsV (MsVander) and ***Rach.

There was ALSO a pit who was fired when ****Mark was fired for taking part in a illegal scheme that got them BOTH fired. This scheme was ORIGINALLY associated with iB but believe Corp HAD to fire Mark for not being taken down by the investigation. I dont think it was just Mark, it was ALL of them.

I am very good friends with MsVander, but ***Wendy is tearing AiB apart with help from her BEST FRIEND ***PONYGAL. I know PONYGAL didn't like MsVander, and ask any former pit in iB what SHE did to MsVander in the elections for council over a year ago. It was ***Panky from ISR that stated why it appeared a question asked by MsVander in a forum that patrons and pits could go see the debate, was in fact NOT pit attacking pit. PONYGAL did the SAME thing to MsV when SHE WAS RUNNING FOR COUNCIL. I went to the forum and posted that now I realized why MsV DIDN'T make council a year earlier, and that if PONYGAL EVER made council, I would NEVER go back and that iB WOULD be destroyed.

It is ***Wendy that runs AiB and ***PONYGAL who basically runs iB now. Both are being destroyed and iB REAAAAAAAAALLLLL fast. Many of their long time pits and those on previous council has tendered their resignations. One CURRENT council member tendered HER resignation,,,,***Tiandre, and another council member resigned JUST from council,,,,***KeyAngel. Found out in the forum BEFORE those elections took place, just how close ***Wendy WAS to ***PONYGAL. Left the comment that I would NEVER return to iB if PONY MADE council. Wendy left a message to "hopefully keep my word and NOT go back". She said other things, such as I was a liar, but FUNNY HOW nobody WENT to the site after the elections, so nobody SAW what she wrote. I replied to that message by saying, "You have ALWAYS thought I was a liar in the FIRST place, so why stop there Wendy?" Told her we would see who was right when iB fell apart.

As for GRAMSEY being locked out, anyone who knows me knows that I basically told GRAMSEY that she got her wish and NEVER to speak to me again. The night ***MsVander got fired, it was GRAMSEY who said in a late night tourney she wished that those tourneys were CANCELLED. A pit requires at least 5 players to START a tourney before one can be started. If they dont HAVE 5 to start it, it has to be cancelled and their work for the day is finished, even if it was the FIRST TOURNEY of the night. I know this because I used to stay online till 3 am EVERY morning and had a few players IM me or icq me if one player was needed for ANY of MsVander's tourneys. In the end, hers were the only tourney's I played in, as did GRAMSEY.

Think about this GRAMSEY. A logical reason why Corp locked your computer OUT of AiB. When you play in a tourney, and you aren't in the top 3 for a prize, you ALWAYS drop out. I am not the only one who noticed in those late night tourneys that there was only 4 players left. I WILL not drop out of a tourney UNLESS there aren't 5 left to finish. I will drop out after prizes are ALREADY cut in half, but I stay in for the other players sake so THEY GET the full payout.

Their rules of not changing seats during a tourney are pathetic. I have changed before year's ago from a machine that I lost 10 dollars on to a machine I ended up breaking even on. When you sit at a machine, and keep NO cards but know what you did HAVE to keep, nothing you ended up keeping would have given you a winning hand,,,,and that wasn't for just ONE spin. That was for 20 IN A ROW. When the machine was like that, I always dropped out (UNTIL they brought in that "half prizes if 4 or less finish" rule).

Maybe Corp locked you out because you were "bitching" too much and ALWAYS drop out of tourney's NOW. They found you to be a liability instead of an ASSET, and keep YOU there, some would have left from what you were probably saying to ONE and ALL.

You want entrance back into AiB to speak to your friends GRAMSEY? I know how to gain entrance back, and it isn't by the way I gained entrance back by "kissing ass" and falling on my knees and begging. But unless you have a RWCD that you will probably do it. It means losing EVERYTHING on your computer and lying about who you are when you register in AiB as a new player. Unless the cover that by asking for your credit details BEFORE they even allow you in. Then you have NO HOPE unless Wendy is taking a break and doesn't know you have given a new CC number with your real name. UNLESS you create a alternate email and use FirePay to create an account that you real name is hidden behind. Dont know if that is possible either, but best to ask a very good computer friend who has dealt with BOTH FirePay AND Online casino's of ANY KIND.

If you can get my email addy, drop me an email,,,,if not, leave your email addy if you can either with MsVander, as everyone still has her email addy and it will be given out to anyone they know. She will give you my email addy or she will give me YOUR email addy. Either way, her loyalty is no longer with AiB NOR iB. If NOT with MsVander, leave it with Moonchild OR PABelle as will drop both a line and have already dropped ONE line to Moonchild.

Beth
 

gramsey

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BULLDOG: now i know why you have that name... i never wished for anyone to leave aib including myself. I only met you in the last month of my playing at aib never saw you in the 3 years i was there. So what the heck are you talking about your good friend MsV whom i liked very much warned me about you but i didnt listen so i only have myself to blame for talking to you which will never happen again so this is goodbye & good luck to you
 

rach

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Joined
Sep 6, 2001
I would like to personally refute the totally BS statement by AibSupport that just because I, to coin their phrase was "fired" from Aib that I would send the message that moffett regarding Aib's changes. I am also positive that ***MsV the other who was "fired" would have no reason for doing this either. I would appreciate Casinomeister investigating my ip address (which Im sure you now have) to see that not only was I not the writer of the message in question, but that I, my ip address hasnt even been TO this site for over a year when I was following some of the complaints of the past.
AibSupport AKA Wendy made an error in judgement not only on how they treated the casinomeister forum. But, also by making accusations which are unfounded and untrue, I pasted her comments below.
I have posted nothing regarding Aib which could be considered against the NDA which I signed 3 years ago. (which if I had could put me in the position of a slander suit, which is basically what the statement below is but against MsV and myself)
Although we do not have anyone registered under the name moffet in our database, based on the detail of this persons complaint and the ambiguous references, we can assume that this is one of the customer support representatives that was fired last month (the statement regarding how much time was given before the two reps were released is an indicator in our eyes). Anyone who has ever owned a business realizes the exposure that one is subjected to when releasing an employee.
 
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I would just like to set the record straight, I am not now, nor have I ever been employed by or otherwise affiliated with Atlantic Interbet Casino or its sister site in any way as anything other than a patron. Neither am I a personal friend nor relative of ***Rach or ***MsVander (the two fired individuals mentioned previously), although I was friendly with both during their time at Atlantic Interbet.

The timing of their terminations was no secret AT ALL. Current and former patrons heard about their treatment, as well as the shameful treatement of 'Gramsey' (kicked out because she won too much) and her daughter 'Janis' (kicked out because she's related to 'Gramsey' apparently!) through word of mouth, in public chat in Atlantic Interbet, and via email and various other grapevines. News travels fast on the internet, especially bad news.

Any observations I've made have been my own and not any secrets divulged to me by any employees or former employees of Atlantic Interbet. My apologies to you ***Rach and ***MsVander as well if my speaking the truth has caused you any harassment or aggravation by Atlantic Interbet. That certainly is NOT my intent.
 

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