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homerbert

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Some Bally/WMS have 94% when you play <£/€2 and 96% 2 and above. So it must be legal if it's in the rules of the game.
Well, and I don't think it's honest if this true. When you start threat customers based on their earnings for you - it's good for business. But in the end, long term, it's one way road. If you lowroller - you can expect same good CS guys and withdrawals as highroller. We do a lot of work on this direction.

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sufferinsilence

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Well, and I don't think it's honest if this true. When you start threat customers based on their earnings for you - it's good for business. But in the end, long term, it's one way road. If you lowroller - you can expect same good CS guys and withdrawals as highroller. We do a lot of work on this direction.

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As a (most of the time) lowroller I simply don't play those games. There is so much choice in games that it's impossible for me to understand why Bally/WMS does this.
 

slotter999

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Of course, females got less RTP than males LOL. Self killing reply :D

No, we do not have any dashboard which allows us to change RTP. And I can bet a lot of money that we ever will have something like this, it's just stupid. We have dashboards from game providers basically to see perfomance, a lot of analytics (countries etc), and ability to create campaigns.

But fake casinos (at russian market, called vulkans in most occasions - have such things). But it's not licensed casinos, or casinos with fake games.

VVVVVVVVVVV.

Who is responsible at a casino for determining what RTP version will be provided to customers?
 

paul7388

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In fairness I have strong feelings for you Paul. Either fully and totally agree or the other extreme. But I respect your opinion and am always nice aren’t I?

No you are always damn right evil and twisted:laugh:

Joking of course you always do seem nice and genuine. Just had the feeling sometimes i was one of the members you might not particularly like. But that will just be me being paranoid lol.
 

homerbert

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As a (most of the time) lowroller I simply don't play those games. There is so much choice in games that it's impossible for me to understand why Bally/WMS does this.
And it's clever way. In the end, you guys, customers, decide where to move this industry. And it's still true that maybe 98% people not aware of such forums and not aware of basic things - it's still up to you. If no one will play Bally/WMS due to this reason - it's obvious they will remove it...
 

homerbert

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No you are always damn right evil and twisted:laugh:

Joking of course you always do seem nice and genuine. Just had the feeling sometimes i was one of the members you might not particularly like. But that will just be me being paranoid lol.
Feelings is(are? who know this english) something V what makes us to do the things I (sometimes stupid things). Feelings are T making us to be humans... But what I could say - if you feel something but not sure about A other person - best way is always just L ask directly. Always. I never use this I advice myself because I'm an idiot, but I think it's true.

I'm 'feelings' man, so I think I know what I'm saying.
 

slotter999

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I think it's owner. Who else can be decision make on such things?

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You would have thought someone involved in running an online casino might have an idea.....but seemingly not.

It's only rtp though. Not like it's a significant thing from a customer point of view.

Thank for responding. No further questions m'lord.
 

Supababe

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Feelings is(are? who know this english) something V what makes us to do the things I (sometimes stupid things). Feelings are T making us to be humans... But what I could say - if you feel something but not sure about A other person - best way is always just L ask directly. Always. I never use this I advice myself because I'm an idiot, but I think it's true.

I'm 'feelings' man, so I think I know what I'm saying.

I guess you’re bored and want to slip your name in as many ways as possible. Lol
 

homerbert

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You would have thought someone involved in running an online casino might have an idea.....but seemingly not.

It's only rtp though. Not like it's a significant thing from a customer point of view.

Thank for responding. No further questions m'lord.
Ur welcome mate. We at Direx always suggest our clients (customers( I mean casino owners)), but in some cases it's up to them what to do (does not count basic rules like YOU CANT CHEAT YOUR PLAYERS!!!!).

And I prefer Emperor, not lord :D

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TheAverageGuy

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Did you know that if you implemented a system that automatically credits me with a loyalty/freeplay bonus each time I open the chat window, you could improve operator efficiency metrics at most of the direx/N1 sites by 2-3%?

In all seriousness though, I don't have any questions of value to contribute at the moment, but did want to give a nod to @homerbert and his seemingly unending dedication to the task of earning TopRep4Lyfe status here at CM, hindsite vote for the Happy Birthday Casinomeister thread.

Cheers!
 

Luckyscouser45

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I've often wondered what's the difference between a big withdrawal and a smaller one? Why are large withdrawals checked more rigorously than smaller one? Fraud is fraud, regardless of amount. Also, why are these checks seemingly only done on cash outs? What makes someone who has deposited £50 and turned it into £5k more likely to be a fraudster than someone who deposited £50 and withdrew £800??

Casinos that do this are the ones that are more likely than not to have a reversal period and IMO it's all about giving someone time to reverse what they have won and to save the casino money. Someone who is fully verified is fully verified, end of.

I remember watching a video where NickSlots withdrew £20k at Sky Vegas and as soon as he hit withdraw, the amount was sent for refund back to his card there and then.

IMO it boils down to the fact that if you accept the initial deposit with no questions asked you should honour the refund in the same fashion.
Nick slots is a fake :)
 

Harry_BKK

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So my current question is.....
I know that a game has an average rtp but is this the same regardless of bet size?

The reason I ask is that I noticed at weekend that the FOTB I checked had a break down of 3 different rtp’s based on bet size. Something like:
0.25 gives 90%,
0.50 gives 92%
1.00 give 95.5%.

If this is the case online for some providers it would certainly affect the way I play.

Scientific Games (Bally, Barcrest) and if IIRC also IGT have quite a few online slots with increasing RTP when your bet size goes up.
 

colinsunderland

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Thanks for this thread @homerbert

I don't know if you do this, but I have seen people win large from one spin, then the withdrawal get delayed as they are checking with the provider that it was legitimate and there was no error. Have you ever came across a provider error that has caused a large win by mistake, and are losing spins checked for the same thing? Obviously if there can be an error causing a large win to be paid by mistake, surely it stands to reason, there could be an error that causes a zero return by mistake instead of a large win?
 

homerbert

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Thanks for this thread @homerbert

I don't know if you do this, but I have seen people win large from one spin, then the withdrawal get delayed as they are checking with the provider that it was legitimate and there was no error. Have you ever came across a provider error that has caused a large win by mistake, and are losing spins checked for the same thing? Obviously if there can be an error causing a large win to be paid by mistake, surely it stands to reason, there could be an error that causes a zero return by mistake instead of a large win?
Hey!

Well, indeed sometimes we check huge single round wins with providers. But we always trying to do it as soon as possible (however it's not up to us).

No, to date I never saw a cases when wins was not legit (okay, not exactly - we've never got reply to our request that win is not legit). But sometimes some gameproviders report some users that somehow affected something (in games?). Usually it's just a message to close X accounts and confiscate funds if any, without any particular info.

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winbigger

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What your take on a casino not paying withdrawals 96times with fans bet. They said 5 days but they never paid me once or emailed me or processed withdrawals in the pending time of 1 to 2 days. Is this done on purposes?
 

homerbert

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What your take on a casino not paying withdrawals 96times with fans bet. They said 5 days but they never paid me once or emailed me or processed withdrawals in the pending time of 1 to 2 days. Is this done on purposes?
Hey!

Not sure what question is, but from what you describe it looks like typical WD stalling tactic.

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