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[Bloatgoat]

Demo play is always run local, and no longer on the server. See the latency differences when going demo vs real. I dont believe any slot out there imposing the 'real rtp' as it is designed to haul people over.

 

[trancemonkey]

Demo play is always run local, and no longer on the server. See the latency differences when going demo vs real. I dont believe any slot out there imposing the 'real rtp' as it is designed to haul people over.

Actually that's also not true. The reason you don't get as much latency is because there is no accountancy going on. No wallet being hit. No need for game recall or game recovery. No history needed. Everything can be a lot, lot faster

And if you don't believe it, then you believe everyone is willfully breaking the law. So if we are all a bunch of crooks, why on earth do you play

Also, if the game ran locally rather than from a server, then the game engine (maths) could be reverse engineered easily. Meaning the game provides gives away it's IP. Which would be a really odd business decision.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

So glad we have @trancemonkey here to say "actually, no" to the misconceptions people have.

Also lol at this (nice rack):

 

[Bloatgoat]

then the game engine (maths) could be reverse engineered easily

Really? What if they simply dropped a old, outdated math in there? I could save the game locally as a SWF file, disconnect from the internet, and play. Ra ra.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Really? What if they simply dropped a old, outdated math in there? I could save the game locally as a SWF file, disconnect from the internet, and play. Ra ra.

Then it would be a different game? Almost nothing uses flash anymore, with good reason.

 

[Scott1baird]

Quick question about random number generaters, say I'm playing a net ent game dead or alive and every spin is supposed to be total random as in RNG where does the machine get the number? Is it from netent? How long does it take from when I press spin for that info to be carried to the library and back with a result and does the same apply for game from blueprint where you can quickspin in less than a tenth is a sec surely there is Noway the game can send the spin info to the library and get the RNG back then decide how to display it that fast.

Excuse spelling and grammar its a pain to look over when using a mobile.

 

[eizei]

Quick question about random number generaters, say I'm playing a net ent game dead or alive and every spin is supposed to be total random as in RNG where does the machine get the number? Is it from netent? How long does it take from when I press spin for that info to be carried to the library and back with a result and does the same apply for game from blueprint where you can quickspin in less than a tenth is a sec surely there is Noway the game can send the spin info to the library and get the RNG back then decide how to display it that fast.

Excuse spelling and grammar its a pain to look over when using a mobile.

I'm just talking completely out of my ass here but I was thinking that when playing online multiplayer games on a server located on your continent you can easily have a latency of under 50ms as in 0,05 seconds. So when you do an action for example press shoot, the game server receives that input, calculates the outcome based on things such as the position of other players related to the shot, sends back the data and plays it on your screen. Surely an online slot can do a similar arguably simpler action in the same kind of time.

 

[Bloatgoat]

You click, the dice rolls, in the meantime it sends out the bet and gets the result. The game shows the result. Open up wireshark and see the data thats actually being transmitted back and forth.

Then it would be a different game? Almost nothing uses flash anymore, with good reason.

I see a few casino's still running various, flash games. Just that it's abandoned within the WEB standard does'nt mean it's not being used anymore. But i'm pretty sure that if i download a random SWF game, disconnect from the internet, open the SWF file with my browser, i would be able to play, and that there's a built-in mini random generator set a bit more positive in comparison to online.

Most game providers use a re-distribution system exactly as i've seen before on slots in a landbased casino, i.e block of 8 to 16 machines. All the players wagering is being put on one big pile and a RNG decides who gets what. So the real RNG within the game is actually taken out. This means that anyone betting 20 pences could get a 2000 ~ 4000x hit and the ones actually pumping and funding this whole circus are left with barely real chance.

Is this even random? yes, within the numbers it is. Is it fair? I dont think so. The one's who play big are always the one's who are funding this pyramid scheme.

 

[Aryol]

Quick question about random number generaters, say I'm playing a net ent game dead or alive and every spin is supposed to be total random as in RNG where does the machine get the number? Is it from netent? How long does it take from when I press spin for that info to be carried to the library and back with a result and does the same apply for game from blueprint where you can quickspin in less than a tenth is a sec surely there is Noway the game can send the spin info to the library and get the RNG back then decide how to display it that fast.

Excuse spelling and grammar its a pain to look over when using a mobile.

Well, you can send and receive data in milliseconds when moving a character in a video game multiple times in different directions it is working fluently. Creating the random numbers is done in such a short time that even I can create a program which will return them instantly to you and you will not even notice that there was any process ongoing.

It is technically possible, but you can ask yourself it the numbers are really random. Every random generator is not really random, but "random" enough for most of us. They using a difficult algorithm to generate the numbers and ...

 

[trancemonkey]

Really? What if they simply dropped a old, outdated math in there? I could save the game locally as a SWF file, disconnect from the internet, and play. Ra ra.

As previously discussed, that would be illegal

 

[trancemonkey]

Most game providers use a re-distribution system exactly as i've seen before on slots in a landbased casino, i.e block of 8 to 16 machines. All the players wagering is being put on one big pile and a RNG decides who gets what. So the real RNG within the game is actually taken out. This means that anyone betting 20 pences could get a 2000 ~ 4000x hit and the ones actually pumping and funding this whole circus are left with barely real chance.

Is this even random? yes, within the numbers it is. Is it fair? I dont think so. The one's who play big are always the one's who are funding this pyramid scheme.

I'd love to meet and have a conversation with you to understand where you get all your ideas from. You simply don't believe a word anyone says... so you must have formed your opinions from somewhere.

What proof do you have of this "redistribution system" because you say "most providers" so you are suggesting that they are all breaking the law. And also can you why we would need to use this system when a random game would do exactly the same things you think this system would do.

And also can you explain why you think there is a pyramid scheme... You say the big bettors are the ones funding the lower people, which would arguably mean they have a worse experience right? But casinos need those people... It's the high rollers that keep casinos in business... not those playing at 20c. So if you pissed these people off on purpose, that would be a ridiculous business decision.

Also I would be really interested to know why you simply ignore advice from people that know what they are talking about and refuse to ever change your mind? You wouldn't tell a doctor he was wrong if he told you you had an infection...

 

[VismundCygnus]

Sorry if this is offensive but my money is on Bloatgoat being a very clever and well-read troll. I know its nothing new with people being stubborn and preposterous in this thread especially, but he does it the same exact way I would, had I been given the objective to masquerade as another "rigged!"-shouter.

EDIT: Actually, the posts are way too long, ignore what I said above.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

You wouldn't tell a doctor he was wrong if he told you you had an infection...

... Oh my dear naïve trancemonkey

 

[Bloatgoat]

@trancemonkey lol it's coming from one of the casino's i'm playing at themself, here i'll copy paste it for you:

The redistribution rate of all our slots is above 95%, without exception, which makes us very proud of our system.
However, it does not mean that the bets are necessarily redistributed to you, *name*, but randomly between the active players.

So yes, there you have it. A redistribution system that wageres all players bets and randomly, distributes it among players. They are naming 3 brands which appearantly use that type of system.

 

[SteveBr]

I'm pretty sure they are discussing standard RTP there...

 

[Bloatgoat]

I'm sorry, RTP or redistribution rate? Lol. It's pretty obvious they are talking about a redistribution of players wagering (their bets) and being randomly distributed over all active players.

This has taken the RTP out of the game pretty much. The RTP now is on the redistribution system which holds a 95% overall payback. I wrote this here before and before. Some of you dont seem to believe that this is what is going on these days.

 

[SteveBr]

@trancemonkey lol it's coming from one of the casino's i'm playing at themself, here i'll copy paste it for you:

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So yes, there you have it. A redistribution system that wageres all players bets and randomly, distributes it among players. They are naming 3 brands which appearantly use that type of system.[/QUOTE

More likely a fudged explanation of what RTP actually is by someone who works in a casino. What it looks like they are trying to say is all of their games have an RTP of 95% or more. It's not rocket science, really.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Ah well god bless the ignorant.

 

[Guntis]

I'm sorry, RTP or redistribution rate? Lol. It's pretty obvious they are talking about a redistribution of players wagering (their bets) and being randomly distributed over all active players.

This has taken the RTP out of the game pretty much. The RTP now is on the redistribution system which holds a 95% overall payback. I wrote this here before and before. Some of you dont seem to believe that this is what is going on these days.

That's because most of the people believe to what they been told or just support the majority's opinion!

 

[Sonict]

@trancemonkey lol it's coming from one of the casino's i'm playing at themself, here i'll copy paste it for you:

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So yes, there you have it. A redistribution system that wageres all players bets and randomly, distributes it among players. They are naming 3 brands which appearantly use that type of system.

It is likely that the people who wrote up the website know jack all about RTP and how slots actually work and tried to roughly explain how it works and have enough of the info wrong that it looks like what you think it is. Not all "higher ups" at casinos know exactly how it is suppose to work and they just think this is how it works.

 

[Bloatgoat]

What good is a car salesman if he does'nt know what he is talking about?

 

[SteveBr]

A car salesman is like a casino rep how, exactly?

 

[Gaz237]

What good is a car salesman if he does'nt know what he is talking about?

But you would not expect the car salesmen's secretary, who answers the phone to be clued up on the finer details of the cars.

Which essentially, the customer service reps are.

 

[Bloatgoat]

But you would not expect the car salesmen's secretary, who answers the phone to be clued up on the finer details of the cars.

Which essentially, the customer service reps are.

A VIP manager? Okay.

 

[SpinUk]

But you would not expect the car salesmen's secretary, who answers the phone to be clued up on the finer details of the cars.

Which essentially, the customer service reps are.

From a developers point of view whats the differance between rtp and trtp