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@trancemonkey oh, can you let me know the secret code to enable bonus mode also? I forgot it. Just pm me. Thanks.

Was there ever a programmed back door that slipped through?

In fruit machines in the UK there was yes... i was told a long time ago someone from BFG ended up in court for it, but although they knew it was him, the defence lawyer got him off on a technicality.

It was a 65 button combination which caused the machine to basically empty itself...
 
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In fruit machines in the UK there was yes... someone from BFG ended up in court for it, but although they knew it was him, the defence lawyer got him off on a technicality.

It was a 65 button combination which caused the machine to basically empty itself...
Would something like this be possible with online slots or are there too many safeguards now?
 
Would something like this be possible with online slots or are there too many safeguards now?

In theory, if you obfuscated some code well enough you could get it through... but it would be very risky with a good test house. These guys know what to look for
 
In the early years of online gaming the AP’s were having their way with online profits, combining lucrative bonuses with certain game play that was being offered from different online casinos fighting for customers. Those days are long gone now with experienced and educated online marketing. The online bonuses today are designed pretty much just to give punters more play time. In most cases today if you happen to beat a bonus and cash out a profit, you probably had to hit something decent to achieve play through. In addition, there usually is a limit on the cash out and you would have done better without it.

Advantage Playing casinos today is predominantly done at land-based casinos in a big way raising serious concerns and endless changes in security and game rules trying to prevent it. Blackjack rules for example being changed to slow down card counters and put additional percentage points in the casinos favor.

Advantage playing machines is very rarely done by obfuscating game code. Although Ronald Harris in 1993 a programmer that worked for the Gaming Board in Nevada did alter the source code on certain games and enjoyed large profits.

In 2014 the Russians had crews in different casinos that would send video by phone of games being played so the programmers on the other end could figure out the PRNG status and reply with a phone vibration when to press the button and win a jackpot.

In the late 2000’s the two guys that found a flaw in the Game King poker machines by accident that would trigger jackpots.

Many of these exposed acts above and others would be considered to be on the dark side. This type of cheating is not how Advantage Plays are being done today. There are crews of AP’s beating up on land-based casinos.

As far as I know, the only cheating online ever done and confirmed was gaffed software that was exposed in favor of the casinos.
 
Below is a copy of a 2-part article written by a famous AP player in Vegas. He was cheated by another AP on the east coast. He was so pissed off he exposed how he figured and executed this particular AP move out just to expose the AP’er that screwed him. I redacted all the names involved in case of anything. It’s a long read but interesting to read how AP’ing is actually done.

Through his emails, he was able to convince me that he was a very strong advantage player. Although video poker wasn't his particular specialty, he told me that he occasionally discovers a good promotion that might make it worthwhile for me to fly back east. xxxxx told me about an eight-hour promotion at the Parx casino in Bensalem, PA near Philadelphia, which would take place on Saturday, June 8, 2013 from 4 p.m. to midnight. The promotion was strong enough that I eventually chose to get on an airplane in Las Vegas and fly to Philadelphia. In some ways the promotion turned out to be less than advertised--in some ways more. The wording on the promotion was a bit vague, but here's the gist of it: If you're playing on a machine which has $1 as the lowest denomination, any W2G totaling $2,500 or higher gets a $500 free play bonus. If you're playing on a machine which has $5 or $10 as the lowest denomination on it, any W2G totaling $5,000 or more gets a $1,000 free play bonus. (They also offered bonuses for jackpots at lower denominations, but I wasn't interested in getting on a plane for five hours to play for quarters). The things I wanted to know up front were: Which games are available and at what denominations? What sort of cash back do they have? Can I get airfare reimbursed? Do they have any new member promotion? What size mailers would I likely receive? The no-risk game to play on this promotion was video roulette. They had stand lots of standalone machines where you could bet on every number. Betting $70 on each number, for a total of $2,660, you'd get back exactly $2,520 plus receive $500 in free play every time you played. The problem is that this has no variance at all and the casino likely wouldn't tolerate it for long. After flying across the country, I didn't want to be booted immediately after starting to play. (As it turned out, players WERE removed from the casino for doing this. But they were allowed to keep their winnings --- so it was a profitable play for them. I don't know if they were removed from the casino "forever" or just for the duration of the promotion.)

Apparently, the best percentage game available is a $10 9/6 Double Double Bonus single-play machine where $5 is the lowest denomination. This game would return 99.78 during the promotion. For this denomination, I would get the $1,000 bonus for a royal, any aces, and 2s, 3s, or 4s with a kicker. xxxxx thought he might be able to get the denomination bumped up to $25, which would increase the return close to 101 because all quads would then return at last $6,250 and every one of them would receive the $500 bonus. Xxxx told me that they have a 0.33 slot club and a new member promotion that yields $1,000 if you play at least $120,000 coin-in on your first day. He thought the mailers might end up being well over 0.50 if I could play double that amount. On a $10 single line machine, how much coin-in I could get would depend on how fast they paid off jackpots and how many adjacent machines I would have available. In eight hours, I calculated that I should get 10-12 W2Gs (with fewer than half eligible for the bonus) if I could move over to another machine while waiting to be paid. I could play at least $240,000 through the machines in eight hours under these conditions. If I only had one machine and it took 20 minutes to pay me, I might not even meet the $120,000 threshold for my $1,000 first-day promo. When I arrived in Philadelphia on Friday evening, I went directly to the casino. I wanted to see the games for myself. They did indeed have five of the $10 9/6 DDB machines. On the opposite side of the same bank were five All Star Poker machines, with the lowest denomination starting at $1. All Star Poker is a box with a variety of games on it and the exact mix depending on the casino's preference. But Triple Play, Five Play, Ten Play, Five Aces Poker, Trade Up Poker, Spin Poker and a couple of others were on this box --- in different denominations that varied from game to game.

A $10 game (other than Jacks or Better) on this box is very appealing because most quads and straight flushes pay 250 coins --- which is exactly $2,500. That way you earn the $500 free play bonus most efficiently. 9/6 DDB (which normally returns 98.98) returns a tasty 101.51% under this promotion --- but that game wasn't to be found. 9/5 DDB returned a mere 100.40 --- but that game wasn't to be found either for $10 denominations. The only game that was remotely interesting was 8/5 DDB Five Aces poker, which was available in $10 Triple Play. I had never played this game and didn't know the percentage returns of the various pay schedules. But I wrote it down and planned to look it up when I got to my hotel room. It turns out the game returns an anemic 97.64 under regular conditions but a robust 100.77 under this promotion. Regular DDB has a variance of 42 --- which is very scary to some people. This game during the promotion had a variance of 112, which can be downright frightening. I had brought "only" $40,000 with me as I was planning on playing $10 single line for eight hours. For the game that I originally planned on playing, I figured that I had plenty of cash. But for playing Triple Play in the same denomination in a game with almost triple the variance, I was short stacked. I realized that I could lose the $40K in about two hours if things went badly. That would be annoying but hardly disastrous. (I clearly was there to win and didn't want to lose at all. But I was willing to lose the entire $40,000 --- and more if I could borrow from xxxx. If I hadn't been willing to lose that much, I wouldn't have toted the cash across the country.) With the expected mailers and other promotions going on, the EV for this play was in excess of $1,000 per hour --- for the eight hours of the promotion. I got the percentage return numbers as well as the strategy from The Wizard of Odds Video Poker Strategy Calculator, a valuable free resource. I'm not crazy about the format used in this calculator, but beggars can't be choosers, so I spent about three hours reformatting the strategy to my own taste and then practicing it as well. Three hours was a long time, but I started at about 2 a.m. and didn't have to play until 4 p.m. There was plenty of time for study, sleep, eating, and exercise before I had to be at the casino.) I emailed two strategies to xxxx and had him get them printed for me. The reason I created two strategies because the rules didn't make it crystal clear whether this game received the $500 bonus for every $2,500-or-higher jackpot or $1,000 for every $5,000-or-higher jackpot (although I was hoping for the latter). It was a juicy play either way, but the strategy was different depending on which rules were in effect. For example, from 4h 5h Ks Qs 9c, you hold '45' when you're getting the $1,000 bonus and 'KQ' when you're getting the $500 bonus. Five Aces poker is a 53-cards-to-the-deck game where the extra card is an ace of stars. It counts for straights, as an ace, and as a kicker for four 2s, 3s, and 4s, but it cannot be used for any flush, straight flush, or royal flush. One of the tricky things about Five Aces Poker is that you get your money back for a pair of aces, but not for a pair of Kings, Queens, or Jacks. So a pair of Kings, Queens, or Jacks is worth the same as a pair of sevens, eights, or nines --- and less than a pair of twos, threes, or fours. This also means that a suited ace-King is worth no more or less than a suited ace-ten (You hold the ace by itself in both instances), and you need to make weird plays such as going for the straight from unsuited KKQJT. You don't hold an unsuited KQJ in this game, but you do hold unsuited QJT and 345, in addition to a suited 34. Go figure. The frequency of the good hands is different in this game than in regular Double Double Bonus. I assume most of my readers are somewhat familiar with DDB (although perhaps most haven't played it at the $10 denomination), so the following table compares "regular" $10 9/6 DDB with $10 8/5 DDB Five Aces during the promo.

Four aces, with and without a kicker, occur a LOT more frequently when you have five aces in the deck rather than four. If I could average 400 deals per hour (which could be too optimistic depending on how fast the W2Gs were paid) --- that would be 1,200 total hands per hour times eight hours --- meaning almost 10,000 hands during the promotion. Three sets of aces with a kicker and 7 or 8 sets of regular aces would be "about right" for the eight hours of the promotion. But being high or low one $20,000 jackpot or even a couple of $8,000 hits makes a big difference when you only start with $40,000 in your pocket. Had I known what game I was getting into, I would have arranged for some combination of cash/line-of-credit for $150,000 or so. But it was too late to worry about that. I only had $40,000 and the clock was ticking. Did I mention the game has a high variance? In the first hour I was down $35,000 before hitting several quick jackpots within fifteen minutes. That put me up a bit, but then I started to lose again. I'll tell you more about the playing session next week. And how xxxx stole money from me.

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July 30-- Don't Trust xxxx xxxx Part 2 of 2

This is the second part of a two-part story. If you missed last week's column, I recommend you start there. It's available a few clicks away. I don't mind waiting for you. There were a total of five suitable machines for this game. They were sort of in the back corner of the high limit room --- but not quite. For the first couple of hours, I was the only guy playing --- although the high limit room soon became crowded as my jackpots began attracting a crowd. I played about seven hours before the smoke finally drove me to leave. I ended up with 23 taxable jackpots over the seven hours and all but two of them qualified for the $500 bonus. On two occasions, I was dealt a full house for $1,200 which was big enough for a W2G but not big enough for the $500 bonus. I played on the machine at the far right end. I played my machine with my right hand and fed $100 bills into the adjacent machine with my left hand so that I would have a large ticket ready to insert into the machine I was playing when needed. I had converted my original $40K bankroll into tickets prior to the start of the promotion, but I had to continue creating additional tickets (usually in $2500 amounts) from my jackpot cash as I played. Since the bill acceptor on most machines is on the upper right, it's a comfortable reach if you're playing immediately adjacent to that machine on the right side. Reaching the other way is a stretch. Whenever I hit a jackpot, I'd move over to the adjacent machine and continue playing. If I had cash, I'd use the third machine from the right to create tickets. This behavior looked strange to many of the "lookie-loos," and, since I kept hitting jackpots, several of them commented on how much I was winning. Nobody ever played this game (And why would they? It normally returned less than 98 with hellacious swings) and if they ever did stumble onto it, they would leave shortly. Little did they know that I needed more than $20,000 in jackpots every hour just to tread water. I was a little concerned about security. Fortunately, there were enough cameras in the area that as long as I was in the high limit room, I figured I was safe. But LOTS of people saw me get paid tens of thousands of dollars. I couldn't know if one of them might be tempted to jump me after I left the casino, but since I was with xxxx and he parked in valet parking, I figured I'd most likely be able to get out of there intact. It never occurred to me that I'd be ripped off by xxxx afterwards. Even though I won, the casino ended up making money because of me. A man who I'll call "Paul" had taken a class from me years ago at the Borgata. He politely asked if I was indeed xxxxxxx. I told him "Yes," but I asked that he not publicize my presence as I was trying to keep that from the casino. (I never get players' cards in the name of xxxxxx because that's not the name on my driver's license). He noticed the game that I was playing and must have concluded that if Five Aces was a good enough game for xxxxxxx, it was a good enough game for him. The problem is that Five Aces requires a VERY different strategy from other games. For example, if you have a suited K952 along with another King, in this game you go for the 4-card flush. In every other variation of Double Double Bonus, you hold the Kings. Paul was using a strategy that probably gave up 2 to the house. This is a game with huge swings, even if you know what you're doing. If you don't know how to play, you can lose a ton quickly. He might have brought $20,000 thinking that he was going to be playing $10 single-line Double Double Bonus --- and he probably lost all of it. I felt sorry for him, feeling that he may have switched games because of what I was doing, but that was not my concern. I can't save other people from themselves. I figured the game was worth $1,000 per hour to me and I was much too busy to worry about his bankroll. At about 11 p.m., I called it quits. It was smoky and I was tired. My score didn't have anything to do with it. I thought I was up a little bit, but I wasn't sure. I had unused $2,500 tickets in a couple of different pockets and didn't take time to count them in front of prying eyes --- including the eye in the sky. I certainly had enough cash on hand to last another hour but I was finished with this promotion. We cashed out and went to xxxxx hotel room and counted out the accumulated cash. (It wasn't hard. Most of the money was in $5,000 "straps." In round numbers, I was ahead $5,000 which I kept after we had recorded the results. There would also be cash back and mailers. The plan was that xxxxx would pick up the cash back, keep his share, and mail me the rest. So far, so good. Dealing with xxxxxx was looking like a profitable arrangement. When I got back to my room I found another $2,500 ticket. This was partnership money, so I immediately called xxxxx and told him. We decided he would give me $2,200 cash in the morning for it (his agreed-upon share was about 12) and he'd cash the ticket next time he went to Parx. We'd continue to use the $5,000 figure as the basis of deciding how to split the cash back and mailer money. He picked me up in the morning and suggested we go to Sugar House --- another casino in the area with a sign up bonus. (I lost there.)
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At the airport, I reminded xxxx that he was to give me $2,200 for the Parx ticket. He didn't have any cash on him (he said) and told me he'd mail me the money. The casino was too far away to go there now without missing my flight. It would have only been a slight detour to have gone to the Parx from my hotel room, but from the airport it was a substantial distance. Since that day, I've received a grand total of $175 from xxxxx, the first of many weekly payments I was supposed to receive from him. I have, however, gotten a number of emails and texts promising to send me money. He even sent two different bogus Western Union tracking numbers. Needless to say, I'm very unhappy with being ripped off. The $2,200 is one thing. The normal Parx mailer money for the amount I played should have been between $6,000 and $8,000. I'm missing out on that too. That's the real reason I went to play there. I finally called up the Parx and told them to freeze my account. I'm going to miss out on the mailer money --- and he will too. I debated whether I should "out" xxxxx to the casino. I get accused of identifying advantage players --- although that has never happened. I decided to tell the Parx management exactly what xxxx did --- especially since I was planning on publishing the story. He wasn't acting as an advantage player. He was acting as a thief. And he deserves to get busted. I know of two other people who xxxxx has ripped off. He collected Atlantic City casino money for them and then skipped with it. At least one of them is talking about going to the police. The other is talking about calling xxxxx probation officer in Florida and telling him what a "prince" xxxxx is. We'll see. xxxxx claims to have a famous, wealthy father, xxxxx xxxx, and he throws that "information" around loosely. I now doubt there is any relationship between them. xxxxx lied about so many other things that he probably lied about that too. One of the essential parts of winning gambling is getting paid when you win. If you do have a partner, you need to be able to trust that he won't rip you off. Obviously I misjudged xxxxxxx. This guy talks a good game, but he's bad news. Avoid him if you can.
 
At the airport, I reminded xxxx that he was to give me $2,200 for the Parx ticket. He didn't have any cash on him (he said) and told me he'd mail me the money. The casino was too far away to go there now without missing my flight. It would have only been a slight detour to have gone to the Parx from my hotel room, but from the airport it was a substantial distance. Since that day, I've received a grand total of $175 from xxxxx, the first of many weekly payments I was supposed to receive from him. I have, however, gotten a number of emails and texts promising to send me money. He even sent two different bogus Western Union tracking numbers. Needless to say, I'm very unhappy with being ripped off. The $2,200 is one thing. The normal Parx mailer money for the amount I played should have been between $6,000 and $8,000. I'm missing out on that too. That's the real reason I went to play there. I finally called up the Parx and told them to freeze my account. I'm going to miss out on the mailer money --- and he will too. I debated whether I should "out" xxxxx to the casino. I get accused of identifying advantage players --- although that has never happened. I decided to tell the Parx management exactly what xxxx did --- especially since I was planning on publishing the story. He wasn't acting as an advantage player. He was acting as a thief. And he deserves to get busted. I know of two other people who xxxxx has ripped off. He collected Atlantic City casino money for them and then skipped with it. At least one of them is talking about going to the police. The other is talking about calling xxxxx probation officer in Florida and telling him what a "prince" xxxxx is. We'll see. xxxxx claims to have a famous, wealthy father, xxxxx xxxx, and he throws that "information" around loosely. I now doubt there is any relationship between them. xxxxx lied about so many other things that he probably lied about that too. One of the essential parts of winning gambling is getting paid when you win. If you do have a partner, you need to be able to trust that he won't rip you off. Obviously I misjudged xxxxxxx. This guy talks a good game, but he's bad news. Avoid him if you can.

These posts are all about bonus abuse as far as I can tell... that's not about advantage players on the actual machines.

And yes when progressives are over a certain value then technically the machine would be more in your favour to play. But it won't kill the game and it's not cheating... it's part of the game design and there on purpose.
 
Call it what you want, but when combining promotions with mathematical facts of how a chosen game plays giving the player an advantage of over 100% return will more often than not produce profits.

Look at how Don Johnson negotiated rule changes in blackjack with the casinos that gave him a very slight advantage resulting in a 15-million-dollar victory. All because the casinos were greedy, and willing to gamble because of the amount he was willing to lose.

Promotions and certain games are only one AP strategy. You say it’s abuse, I call it winning and don’t know of one AP ever jailed for doing it.

Obviously, casino promotion execs have been offering good deals for AP's and seem to never learn, or are just not as smart as the AP's, since this has been going on for decades.

Your discussions about how slots are programmed along with the regulations that ride alongside the programming are very interesting. Of course anything could happen if all your stars are aligned and you have your lucky rabbits foot in hand. Sadly, most if not all recreational slot players will fall victim to what you yourself program, which is to eventually take their money. Knowing what RTP's are is just knowing which games take your money faster than others.
 
I am becoming doubtful of the basic premise that casino customers are told - ie. "it that it is all random".
Supposedly it does not matter when you play of for how long,or what your stake is ... but

I notice that if I ever get 2 jackpot symbols, let's say in columns 1 and 2 - then the chances are very high that in the next spin I will get a symbol in colum 3 and one in column 4. This used to cause me to think,
"Oh I nearly got a big win! Maybe I will get all 4 (or 5) Jackpot symbols next time!"
Now I think, "This "nearly win" happens so often it must be programmed into the game. It certainly does not seem "random".

Also I notice with some casinos that there is a pattern to RTP and play.
eg A few of them take almost all the money you deposited with few, or very small wins. Then when you only have money left for one or two more spins (or if you redeposit and play a couple of spins) you get a "big" win that roughly equals what you just lost. If you cash in then, you get your money back and feel relieved, or like you won - but really you just got your stake back. You rarely ever win big early at these casinos or leave with more than your stake. This happens so often it does not seem random to me either. Do online casinos have a sort of individual RTP monitor built in to ensure you get the required RTP - by "returing your stake"?

What do you think, trancemonkey
(I confess I have not read all 75 pages of this thread -so I am sorry if you have answered similar questions previously - if so, maybe you woudl tell me which page to look at for the answer - if it's not too much bother?)
Thanks
 
Call it what you want, but when combining promotions with mathematical facts of how a chosen game plays giving the player an advantage of over 100% return will more often than not produce profits.

Look at how Don Johnson negotiated rule changes in blackjack with the casinos that gave him a very slight advantage resulting in a 15-million-dollar victory. All because the casinos were greedy, and willing to gamble because of the amount he was willing to lose.

Promotions and certain games are only one AP strategy. You say it’s abuse, I call it winning and don’t know of one AP ever jailed for doing it.

Obviously, casino promotion execs have been offering good deals for AP's and seem to never learn, or are just not as smart as the AP's, since this has been going on for decades.

Your discussions about how slots are programmed along with the regulations that ride alongside the programming are very interesting. Of course anything could happen if all your stars are aligned and you have your lucky rabbits foot in hand. Sadly, most if not all recreational slot players will fall victim to what you yourself program, which is to eventually take their money. Knowing what RTP's are is just knowing which games take your money faster than others.

I don't mean abuse in the illegal way... bonus "abuse" is just the terms the industry uses for what you call AP. And to be fair if I could work a bonus in my favour, I'd do the same. It's not illegal.
 
I am becoming doubtful of the basic premise that casino customers are told - ie. "it that it is all random".
Supposedly it does not matter when you play of for how long,or what your stake is ... but

I notice that if I ever get 2 jackpot symbols, let's say in columns 1 and 2 - then the chances are very high that in the next spin I will get a symbol in colum 3 and one in column 4. This used to cause me to think,
"Oh I nearly got a big win! Maybe I will get all 4 (or 5) Jackpot symbols next time!"
Now I think, "This "nearly win" happens so often it must be programmed into the game. It certainly does not seem "random".

Also I notice with some casinos that there is a pattern to RTP and play.
eg A few of them take almost all the money you deposited with few, or very small wins. Then when you only have money left for one or two more spins (or if you redeposit and play a couple of spins) you get a "big" win that roughly equals what you just lost. If you cash in then, you get your money back and feel relieved, or like you won - but really you just got your stake back. You rarely ever win big early at these casinos or leave with more than your stake. This happens so often it does not seem random to me either. Do online casinos have a sort of individual RTP monitor built in to ensure you get the required RTP - by "returing your stake"?

What do you think, trancemonkey
(I confess I have not read all 75 pages of this thread -so I am sorry if you have answered similar questions previously - if so, maybe you woudl tell me which page to look at for the answer - if it's not too much bother?)
Thanks

Well your points are all answered within this thread but it's ballooned to the point where not even I know where stuff is ;)

Anyway - the kind of things you notice are exactly the kinds of things other people have commented on. But I can promise you they are not pre-programmed or compensated / monitored.

The reason you notice big wins near the bottom of your bank roll more others is purely psychological. When you get near to running out of money it's human nature to start watching your balance more... so big wins closer to zero are more noticeable.

Watch any of the millions of YouTube videos of big wins and see how many are on the last two spins compared to anywhere else... I can guarantee you they are equally distributed throughout the bank roll.
 
thanks for the reply trancemonkey ... and I get what you are saying about the psychology... but I still think there is something in what I noticed .. and it is not in all casinos ... just a couple where I never win more than I already staked ... and usually not even that. Other places wins seem more random and you can win earlier or win more .. not just your stake aback at the end.
anyway - will try to get round to reading this thread and see what wisdom I can gather ;)
 
Just for the record, and for the avoidance of all doubt, all of my opinions on this forum are my own. They do not represent any official views of any previous, current or indeed future employers. All statements are made to the best of my knowledge, but that should not be taken to infer that they are all 100% accurate - as i've stated many times throughout threads i've been involved in, i cannot know the ins and outs of all the manufacturers that make games.
 
Just for the record, and for the avoidance of all doubt, all of my opinions on this forum are my own. They do not represent any official views of any previous, current or indeed future employers. All statements are made to the best of my knowledge, but that should not be taken to infer that they are all 100% accurate - as i've stated many times throughout threads i've been involved in, i cannot know the ins and outs of all the manufacturers that make games.
So you're just like that guy behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz?? Consider me upset :(
 
I don't mean abuse in the illegal way... bonus "abuse" is just the terms the industry uses for what you call AP. And to be fair if I could work a bonus in my favour, I'd do the same. It's not illegal.

Why can't you work bonuses and know you're going to make profits, as sure as we are about any machine approached with straight up play will take our money?
 
Hi, Trancemonkey! Can you please explain this Endorphina's double-up feature. Overall return 84%? I thought that the risk game has 100% EV.
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Interestingly, i checked the UKGC RTS (Remote Technical Standards) this morning, and the 100% gamble rule is NOT in there as far as i can see...
But, if the gamble is at 84%, and you always gamble, then the RTP for the game would be 84% of it's target RTP. Does it mention anywhere that the best strategy is NOT to gamble?
Maybe i've got my jurisdictions confused...

I did find this in the B3 technical standards:

5.10 Double-up (random games only) Any Double-up or Gamble options must have a theoretical return to the player of that displayed or suggested by the game graphic.

This also doesn't seem to infer it has to be 100%... so now i'm wondering where i've seen it?!
 
Depends on the developer - Novo, EGT and Bally Wulff all have 100% gamble RTP's for example.

I honestly don't know why anyone would design a gamble that ISN'T 100% RTP... but that's just my opinion
 
i could imagine some people on this planet from time to time getting a crap bonus return after chasing it expensively, then whacking the gamble in frustration without care or undertstanding the true odds of the gamble. every lil helps n all that.
 
To make money?

Well, yes... but for me that would be a super short-term approach. It's all personal opinion though... and if players keep playing the games, then I guess there is the incentive...
 
The confusing part though is that you can see the gamble card after every win and then choose if you gamble or not, so I'd imagine part of the RTP of the normal game is made up by always checking and always gambling on a 5 or lower.
 
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