Are slots linked or networked?

shady

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Forgive my ignorance, I did search first so maybe I'm unfamiliar with what exactly to search for.

If you spin X slot in one online casino and visit another casino and play the same slot, are they linked?

Does one recognise the win from another?
 

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Forgive my ignorance, I did search first so maybe I'm unfamiliar with what exactly to search for.

1)If you spin X slot in one online casino and visit another casino and play the same slot, are they linked?

2) Does one recognise the win from another?

1) Yes
2) Apparently not, however many (including me nowadays) reckons they do.

Casinos only offer the games, once you load them up then you are connected to the providers servers, EG: Netent, Play N' Go, BTG etc
 

shady

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1) Yes
2) Apparently not, however many (including me nowadays) reckons they do.

Casinos only offer the games, once you load them up then you are connected to the providers servers, EG: Netent, Play N' Go, BTG etc

That's what I figured, the games are linked to the providers which hold the database for the games instead of trying the same games elsewhere it would be better to just try different games altogether, maybe even different provider games.

Or - does it come down to provider and not the specific slot, if you win from a provider are you then bound to lose from that provider?

I feel the same way, hard not to believe the slots don't all talk to eachother, you've won on this slot so won't be winning again no matter the casino you use?
 

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If true, many will argue it is not...

Specific / individual slot, not per provider, this (I would have thought) would be nigh on impossible to implement.

That being said, it is very hard to believe, we've all had many a session where after one decent hit, every other game we try is lifeless.

My best advice would be if you're new to online slots, quit as quick as you started, it is just not worth it anymore and lengthy decent sessions are a thing of the past for those with a limited budget / low rollers.
 

shady

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If true, many will argue it is not...

Specific / individual slot, not per provider, this (I would have thought) would be nigh on impossible to implement.

That being said, it is very hard to believe, we've all had many a session where after one decent hit, every other game we try is lifeless.

My best advice would be if you're new to online slots, quit as quick as you started, it is just not worth it anymore and lengthy decent sessions are a thing of the past for those with a limited budget / low rollers.

Not new to slots, just new here. Never really thought about looking further than the reels before but happy to be here.

Nothing would surprise me anymore, can't see it being too hard for those creating these things to link them all by provider and link the wins between them, much like supposed Vegas slots are in land casinos, all are locked to jackpot until somebody drops it and then they all reset, supposedly. Wouldn't see why they couldn't make that happen online too, not that I'm an expert on that side of it.

I wonder if there is a threshold for X big win + time away from casino to when the lifelessness may have worn off?
 

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I'm at believer's point a long time ago , it knows who you are & every pound spent & could also track your ip.

I doubt I'm far wrong it's down to the servers.
 

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The games from whatever casino are all linked to one server that spews out the results, we are told, think the wizard behind the curtain, or the Borg.

Though you can bet your bottom Dollar that these 'same' games will play differently at different casinos, it becomes very apparent over extended play, and the only ones disputing this would be blind gibbons or shills (take your pick).

What's more likely with all these recent RTP revelations over the last couple of years is that casinos have alternated between different RTPs for the user, over different sessions, hence the inexplicable droughts that follow anything resembling a good win. Good luck trying to 'resume' a good session after having left that slot as it was hot!

So no, I personally don't believe the games are left in stasis with 'memories' attached to them. It's far simpler than that (though you can form your own observations, you're a paying customer after all) 👌
 

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I'm at believer's point a long time ago , it knows who you are & every pound spent & could also track your ip.

I doubt I'm far wrong it's down to the servers.
They would not be able to accurately determine anything by IP alone as an IP can be shared and can change as well unless you happen to have a static ip. The most likely scenario is they go by name and zip/postal code and could track very well that way. I supposed there is always a non existent chance someone else with the same name could live in the same zip/postal code as you but I would bet against it.
 

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The games from whatever casino are all linked to one server that spews out the results, we are told, think the wizard behind the curtain, or the Borg.

Though you can bet your bottom Dollar that these 'same' games will play differently at different casinos, it becomes very apparent over extended play, and the only ones disputing this would be blind gibbons or shills (take your pick).

What's more likely with all these recent RTP revelations over the last couple of years is that casinos have alternated between different RTPs for the user, over different sessions, hence the inexplicable droughts that follow anything resembling a good win. Good luck trying to 'resume' a good session after having left that slot as it was hot!

So no, I personally don't believe the games are left in stasis with 'memories' attached to them. It's far simpler than that (though you can form your own observations, you're a paying customer after all) 👌
It's uncanny that after one of your biggest wins/cash outs, you'll often go on one of the longest barren spells of your slotting life.
 

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It feels like this even in a different casino and on a different provider game.
Absolutely.

When it happens even the lowest volatility games will go as cold as ice. I once went 20+ dead spins on starburst in one such spell.
 

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Most home ips are static, hence to why they do not like you using vpn.
perhaps where you are from but from my experience over the last 20 years you only get a static IP here in Canada if you pay extra for it which I would imagine most customers don't.. You can have a dynamic IP and keep getting the same IP sure.....but eventually the IP could change as it wouldn't be guaranteed.

if an ISP uses a double NAT network you might keep having the same IP but that's because that IP is shared to the outside world between customers....and that would mean if all they do is look at IPs they would be basing game usage on an IP that could be used by more than one customer.

As for using a VPN pretty sure that has to do with geo restricting access
 
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I supposed there is always a non existent chance someone else with the same name could live in the same zip/postal code as you but I would bet against it.

I would think it would be very common for 2 people of same name to share same postcode.

My boy who gambles at some of sites i use still stays at home and has same name as me. And in just my neighbours houses 3 houses have 2 people of same name staying at them.

As it is still common to have a child named after you and with the price of housing these days many people will stay at home longer before moving out.
 

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Forgive my ignorance, I did search first so maybe I'm unfamiliar with what exactly to search for.

If you spin X slot in one online casino and visit another casino and play the same slot, are they linked?

Does one recognise the win from another?
1. Sort of yes and no. Even if a slot is on the same server, providers often segment data by the operator in some way for reporting and billing purposes etc. In terms of your personal play, it's very unlikely that it would be linked. I.E, if you were playing a slot where you 'progress' something, like a meter you fill, you will see separate meters on each casino. This is because the provider will use your player ID + Casino ID at the Casino as the identifier for who you are, and player ID's per casino will be different.

Where there are 'network' jackpots, these will be the same jackpot for ALL Casino's playing that game, so in this way, yes, they are all linked.

2. Assuming it's using the same server and just differentiating a spin based on a Casino ID, then yes, technically, but slots don't look at past wins or anything like that, so there is no advantage or disadvantage to going to play the same game on another Casino. Each spin is independent and random within the mathematical model of the game. There is no such thing as 'recognising a win'.
 

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That's what I figured, the games are linked to the providers which hold the database for the games instead of trying the same games elsewhere it would be better to just try different games altogether, maybe even different provider games.

Or - does it come down to provider and not the specific slot, if you win from a provider are you then bound to lose from that provider?

I feel the same way, hard not to believe the slots don't all talk to eachother, you've won on this slot so won't be winning again no matter the casino you use?
Unlikely you'll believe me, but this just isn't how slots work in a regulated market. They simply don't have to 'control' your wins and losses because they are built on a mathematical model that does it naturally via statistics. So what is the point in a Casino breaking the law and putting in incredibly complicated 'player tracking and control' logic when they can just do it legally via maths? That's always been the downfall of this conspiracy, there is simply no reason or benefit for it.

So no, it makes no difference if you win or lose or whatever. It's all just luck. Is it surprising that after winning big you don't win much? no, because big wins are rare and losses are common :)
 

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Unlikely you'll believe me, but this just isn't how slots work in a regulated market. They simply don't have to 'control' your wins and losses because they are built on a mathematical model that does it naturally via statistics. So what is the point in a Casino breaking the law and putting in incredibly complicated 'player tracking and control' logic when they can just do it legally via maths? That's always been the downfall of this conspiracy, there is simply no reason or benefit for it.

So no, it makes no difference if you win or lose or whatever. It's all just luck. Is it surprising that after winning big you don't win much? no, because big wins are rare and losses are common :)
pretty much...no matter how much you win....10K, 100K, 1 million even if you do 20 cent bets eventually you will lose the entire amount if you play long enough and no matter how much you win inbetween
 

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what about Jackpot games are they link?
i'm guessing there that the jackpot amount is a certain percentage of all plays but that's just a guess on my part...on top of that you also have to "hit" the jackpot to get it.

This makes me think thought which I have often thought...

I'd be more curious about a game like Monopoly Megaways which has some kind of "progression" and when you hit a bonus previous play seem to affect the bonus amount you get. The only thing i can think of is each time you get a house that will affect the bonus amount you really actually won a specific amount that is just withheld until your bonus comes....at that point your win is the withheld amounts put together...again this is just my assumption as each spin is supposed to be unrelated to each other.
 

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what about Jackpot games are they link?
To an extent. Yes. If it's an actual jackpot (where play contributes to the amount) then all players see the same value and all players can win that value.
If its a network Jackpot, then the same applies but it will be a share pot of money for all players across all casinos
i'm guessing there that the jackpot amount is a certain percentage of all plays but that's just a guess on my part...on top of that you also have to "hit" the jackpot to get it.

This makes me think thought which I have often thought...

I'd be more curious about a game like Monopoly Megaways which has some kind of "progression" and when you hit a bonus previous play seem to affect the bonus amount you get. The only thing i can think of is each time you get a house that will affect the bonus amount you really actually won a specific amount that is just withheld until your bonus comes....at that point your win is the withheld amounts put together...again this is just my assumption as each spin is supposed to be unrelated to each other.
The progression is just part of the mathamatical model, there is no 'witheld wins' or anything. If you get an early bonus, you have less spins and less 'built up stuff' and so the chances of the bonus being good are lower (cause you have less chances to win). The longer it goes on the more stuff you 'collect' which means the higher chance the bonus will be good, because you have more chances to win.

Statistically, the mathamatical model of the game will have been tuned such that, on average, you collect X 'additions' by the time the bonus triggers, and therefore the average payout of the bonus is fairly well understood. There will be variations above and below (no different to any slot where some players win big and others don't) but ultimately it will come out at the RTP the math model produces.
 

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i'm guessing there that the jackpot amount is a certain percentage of all plays but that's just a guess on my part...on top of that you also have to "hit" the jackpot to get it.

This makes me think thought which I have often thought...

I'd be more curious about a game like Monopoly Megaways which has some kind of "progression" and when you hit a bonus previous play seem to affect the bonus amount you get. The only thing i can think of is each time you get a house that will affect the bonus amount you really actually won a specific amount that is just withheld until your bonus comes....at that point your win is the withheld amounts put together...again this is just my assumption as each spin is supposed to be unrelated to each other.
BTG slots they got very low Bonus RTP, lower than 15% RTP, like DOA2 is 20% RTP,
 

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All interesting reading.

I have some follow up questions.

I never bothered looking at the i icon before and between looking at that and seeing the RTP drop now through reading this forum, maybe I was better off ignoring it before?

I can see a game at 96.52% RTP, are there any higher anywhere now?

I'm not new to slots but I am relatively new to learning about (looking at...) RTP, can somebody confirm it is the casino and not the providers changing the RTP?

Providers make the games and casinos arrange the settings, correct?

I've checked two casinos and the same game is different RTP so assume this is correct.

Questions for anybody who cares to answer -

Do you prefer high volatility or otherwise?

Does a higher RTP entice you to play or do you not care about RTP (and volatility)?
 

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Do you prefer high volatility or otherwise?

Does a higher RTP entice you to play or do you not care about RTP (and volatility)?
High volatility and low RTP are a recipe for disaster IMO. Most likely why people say they can't build or maintain a bankroll these days.
 

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High volatility and low RTP are a recipe for disaster IMO. Most likely why people say they can't build or maintain a bankroll these days.
Kindly refrain from using terms such as 'build' or 'bankroll'. And for the love of Jehovah, never combine them.....they are now Hate Words.

Rather, 'try to do better' and use terms such as Allocated Chance Funds or Risky Voluntary Donations. Thanks man 🙏
 

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