Are slots becoming boring?

[videoslotheaven]

I agree with some of you here. The big wins 1000x pluss seams to be way harder to achive these days. The new dead or alive ive had about 30 5 wild retriggers and 1, yes only 1 was a wildline. But on the flipp side it seams to give way more medium sized wins.

Play n go i have some serious trust issues with them after i heard about the different rtp models of their games. I must have done between 100k-200k spins on book of dead and the best wins ive had is 5 rich wilde in base game for 500x and 4 of the masks in the bonus for 400x. I swear im starting to think a 500x win and above on this game is near impossible. On the flipp side the bonus usually pays between 50-200x.

Big time gaming, dont get me started. They might just add a donate button instead of a spin button as these games are horribly bad. And seams to have an endless amount of dead spins.

Yggdrassil, well i went about 300+ bonus rounds on zeppelin before i got a wildline on the last spin mind you. Most their games sre really entertaining but winning seams to be next to impossible. Vikings go bezerk also has some weird mechanics pretty sure that game is compansated somehow.

The last year in gambling fore me has been so bad that im thinking about giving it up completley. Seams 19/20 sessions are sure loss. I agree the new games suck and the old favourites seams to play differently.

 

[KasinoKing]

I wonder if there's any possibility of slots being produced that have exactly 100% RTP and casino taking money in fees rather than from the rtp ? Like every half hour a fee is deducted from your balance . Might sound strange but if you play live poker then often at higher limits they just have a charge like this rather than each individual pot being raked

The is actually one casino (that I know of) which does exactly that: Bet Voyager
All their games (well, all their in-house games - they also have Betsoft games with normal RTP's) have a 100% RTP version, but if you win you pay a 10% "tax" on your winnings.
If you lose, it costs nothing.

I actually promote these guys on my website, but the number of active players I've seen is very low compared to "tradition casinos", which is a bit surprising given that a lot of people seem to put high importance on the RTP...

KK

 

[dunover]

The is actually one casino (that I know of) which does exactly that: Bet Voyager
All their games (well, all their in-house games - they also have Betsoft games with normal RTP's) have a 100% RTP version, but if you win you pay a 10% "tax" on your winnings.
If you lose, it costs nothing.

I actually promote these guys on my website, but the number of active players I've seen is very low compared to "tradition casinos", which is a bit surprising given that a lot of people seem to put high importance on the RTP...

KK

And you'd trust Betsoft-in-the-head after their rigged jackpot games?

 

[naththo]

You know nowaday Aristocrat is making a big come back to chuck Konami out of most of pub. Lightning Link is running very hot. I think Aristocrat is very creative on making slots and know what to do to make more entertainment for people. Numbers of Konami slots have gone down and Aristocrat made a big come back to increase slots number in casino. Things have changed. Konami use to be great years ago but it just went downhills. Think Konami is not doing well.

 

[KasinoKing]

And you'd trust Betsoft-in-the-head after their rigged jackpot games?

I believe that was many years ago and they were put right.
Betsoft games and casinos are pretty popular world-wide and I don't recall seeing many complaints about them.

Right now 12 Accredited casinos carry Betsoft games - including the likes of Videoslots, Guts & Redbet: I don't think they would be offering them if there was anything "dodgy" about the software.

KK

 

[naththo]

Yeah don't see any dodgy from Betsoft yet.

 

[trancemonkey]

Many times I've seen players comments about 'games not playing how they used to / something has changed / etc' & I'll chime-in here with some info from the other side. (I've been a gambler for ~30years, but in this post, I'm speaking as someone who's worked in the game design and publishing perspective). So to cut what could be a very long and technical story short...


When games are released, there is a flurry of activity on them... Thousands of players playing hundreds of thousands of spins every day. This volume of wagering means that the RTP balances-out very quickly.

As time passes, newer games are released / additional content is taken from other providers and therefore the less frequently the games mentioned in the previous paragraph are played (assuming no special promotions are on it). This means that (for want of a better expression) the less frequently the full RTP cycle is experienced and as a direct result of this, the more infrequent the big wins become. (Yes, every spin is still independent of the previous one & big wins could still happen on back-to-back spins).

It's really not the games that change over time, it's the wagering that takes place on them.

Hopefully this helps.

Sorry mate, but with all due respect this post is at best irrelevant to why slots become boring and at worst completely untrue (unless i've mistaken your point). It makes no difference whether 100,000 people or 2 people are playing a game, the game play to each individual player is identical - they experience the volatility of the game as it was designed. The only people that care about the RTP / Volatility balancing over time are the operators.

Your post makes it sound like there is a massive pool of wins which the game chooses from which are held somewhere, and the more people that play the game, the more likely this pool is go deliver a big win... this is simply not true unless its a CDS (Centrally Determined System) which there are a few of in the US and some other jurisdictions. However, for the vast majority of people, whether there are 1000 games on a site or 10, or whether there are 3 people playing or 3,000, nothing changes. The odds of any win occuring is the same for every spin regardless. The ONLY time where the number of people playing makes a difference is the size of jackpots/progressives, but the odds of winning them remain the same.

 

[shewoff]

Boring ABSOLUTELY! It is a fine part of all game play. Not just casino but other's such as FB games. They have music and sound's all of which are designed to help you deal with the fact that they are boring to play.
I have been playing online since it became online more or less, and the games have not changed that much. And let's think about the times that a $25.00 deposit has turned into hour's and hour's of play?
Watching the roll over and over and over again.

That is boring and at times I have bumped the game with a OOP's on the mouse.Just to make it play a bit different. It sometimes make's me wonder if I'am insane to play this day after day. But the WIN is what I do it for and even in the lean times there is always a win or chance of one.

Not to change the subject,But goat your newest icon is GREAT! Where did you get it?Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

 

[Kevin Stark]

I think that video slots are needed for those who have just started gambling because of its simplicity and linearity. After the video slots you can start to play like poker or roulette. Videoslots not require great effort and therefore plays therein and the majority of users.

 

[funnymunny]

Sorry mate, but with all due respect this post is at best irrelevant to why slots become boring and at worst completely untrue (unless i've mistaken your point).

You have either mistaken my point, or I've not explained myself clearly enough. (I did however state I was responding to some of the posts that stated "games not playing how they used to / something has changed / etc", thus not responding to how boring they are)

It makes no difference whether 100,000 people or 2 people are playing a game, the game play to each individual player is identical - they experience the volatility of the game as it was designed.

Not strictly true & depends how the games are made available to the players. E.g. Are all players each playing a unique instance of the game and unique instance of the RNG, are they playing unique instance of the game on a shared RNG, etc

The only people that care about the RTP / Volatility balancing over time are the operators.

Again, not strictly true. The game designers, the game publishers, the testing houses that certify the games, the Regulators that allow its licensees to host the games all care that the game is performing to its design. I can certainly say as a player that I also care that the game is also performing to its design (and would be extremely disgruntled (and would be amazed if you weren't too) if its payout for example was less!).

Your post makes it sound like there is a massive pool of wins which the game chooses from which are held somewhere, and the more people that play the game, the more likely this pool is go deliver a big win...

This is possibly one interpretation of my post, but certainly not what I was intending, so apologies if I was unclear.

However, for the vast majority of people, whether there are 1000 games on a site or 10, or whether there are 3 people playing or 3,000, nothing changes.

See previous comment about how the games are made available.

The odds of any win occuring is the same for every spin regardless.

Hence me saying "...every spin is still independent of the previous one & big wins could still happen on back-to-back spins"


I did post something here a couple of years ago that covers many aspects and goes into a lot more detail about game design and algorithms than I possibly could in this thread.

 

[Playford7]

I don't think the slots are at all becoming boring. Infact they are more intresting if anything...It's just the fact a lot of people have being playing slots a lot longer than others.
I guess a lot of you guys on here being playing them since before the net came out!..
I loved the fruit machines for years, then found slots about 4 years back.

Never looked back!! Great variety and much better payouts than a bookmakers or a fruit machine.
Also the fact you can play in the comfort of your own home with a curry and a few beers I think is great.
Not just a pure gambling thing for me the slots, it's my wind down time after weeks working away where I do enjoy a beer or 3!..and trying my luck.

 

[Malek]

I don't think the slots are at all becoming boring. Infact they are more intresting if anything...It's just the fact a lot of people have being playing slots a lot longer than others.
I guess a lot of you guys on here being playing them since before the net came out!..
I loved the fruit machines for years, then found slots about 4 years back.

Never looked back!! Great variety and much better payouts than a bookmakers or a fruit machine.
Also the fact you can play in the comfort of your own home with a curry and a few beers I think is great.
Not just a pure gambling thing for me the slots, it's my wind down time after weeks working away where I do enjoy a beer or 3!..and trying my luck.

I completely agree with Playford7. It is much more convenient playing nowadays. This fact might have made us overindulged. I have been playing slots for years and naturally you do get bored by some you play for too long but I´m a slot addict tbh so getting bored by a game doesn't happen often. I´m currently playing those awesome retro-looking Novomatic slots. There are many casinos that offer those but I believe Stargames have them all. Winning atm and hoping my streak lasts bit longer!