Are RTG slots "cold" near wagering requirements?

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One of the really big changes I've noticed with RTG casinos over the past few years is they have gone from small 100% or 200% bonus offers to massive 500% -700% bonuses. Seems like a great deal for customers however I have also noticed numerous threads regarding RTG slots going cold when a player is close to reaching the bonus playthrough requirements.

Any opinions?
 

Tirilej

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When I started playing five years ago they were already that big bonuses out. Nothing new at all.
I used them too back then. I was so stupid I didn't even know that I was allowed to play without:oops:

Now I don't touch them at RTG's. See no reason to:)
 

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Probably about the only reason slots 'seem' to go cold as you near WR is not that youre more likely to be paying attention to your losses as you feel youve reached WR. In most cases, your balance is, after a session, going to go down and eventually away, just as it's designed to.
 

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I agree with dionysus.

Yesterday I was playing at Jackpot Capital and was almost losing all the time, right from the beginning. But the slot I was playing suddenly started paying shortly before I met the WR. It gave me a big payout of almost 1000X. Ok this was only one session, but frankly, I haven't observed they turn cold before you meet the WR in my other sessions. They can be cold right from the beginning (as yesterday), all the time till you lose your whole balance, or they can pay you big just before you meet the WR (like in my session yesterday).
 

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It's common knowledge that RTG slots are constantly monitored by casino staff and adjusted as players approach meeting their WR on a bonus. Also, the RTP is set lower when you claim a bonus, and a completely different server and RNG are used for each individual.

In addition, the RTP is being consistently lowered on Jan 1st of each year by around 5%, and has been since I joined in 2001.

The casinos have employed these processes to protect their income, as it is almost impossible to make a profit with slots genuinely set at ~95%.

Moderator's note for newbies: Nifty is being sarcastic here. Just in case you were wondering ;)
 
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@Nifty: I actually feel sorry for the poor CSRs who have to sit at the screen and monitor my gameplay with a finger hovering over the 'button', especially with my erratic hours. It's probably as difficult for the managers having to run over to each of the thousands of monitors when a CSR flags him over with 'hey boss, we got another FS here; do we load the 'win' spins or 'lose' spins'?'
 

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It's common knowledge that RTG slots are constantly monitored by casino staff and adjusted as players approach meeting their WR on a bonus. Also, the RTP is set lower when you claim a bonus, and a completely different server and RNG are used for each individual.

In addition, the RTP is being consistently lowered on Jan 1st of each year by around 5%, and has been since I joined in 2001.

The casinos have employed these processes to protect their income, as it is almost impossible to make a profit with slots genuinely set at ~95%.


You really believe that theory?? Surely you are kidding!
 

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You really believe that theory?? Surely you are kidding!

He is kidding weesie. Don't feel stupid for questioning it because what he write is actually what would be true if all casinos were rigged, constantly changed and was cheating.
 

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It's common knowledge that RTG slots are constantly monitored by casino staff and adjusted as players approach meeting their WR on a bonus. Also, the RTP is set lower when you claim a bonus, and a completely different server and RNG are used for each individual.

In addition, the RTP is being consistently lowered on Jan 1st of each year by around 5%, and has been since I joined in 2001.

The casinos have employed these processes to protect their income, as it is almost impossible to make a profit with slots genuinely set at ~95%.

Nifty , you are kidding or being "sarcastic"?
You have always dealt with the facts, so its surprising to me to hear those statements you made here.

If you can give a reasonable explanation of your theory ,or lead me to the place I can read for myself , I will forever quit slots though I am mostly a Video Poker Player!
 

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I've been reading here for a long time, I'm pretty confident Nifty was being sarcastic. But he does mention often he plays without bonuses.

Those darned casino employees are too busy monitoring the bonus players to bother with HIM!

I think with RTG if you are playing Real Series Slots, every one of them has one or more jackpots involved, and part of your bet goes towards that jackpot, so base game and free spins may pay less than other softwares.

I think they are often cold, with or without a bonus. A lot of time I don't get close to having a hope of meeting WR, since I just started out cold, but my last withdrawal, I was pretty cold and then heated up, and then only went up and down a reasonable amount for a long time.

I do find RTG slots play FAST in turbo mode, so it may seem faster losing than on some platforms.
 

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I never play on a bonus at RTG casinos... the games are just to volatile, can go many many spins without a feature, and easily bust out without a single hit.

They aren't rigged, these just seem to be natural occurrences with all RTG slots... I think the casinos know about that and therefore offer bigger bonuses so that they have a bigger edge over the games (wagering requirements). You don't see many Microgaming casinos handing out 400% bonuses, which is a shame because I won't play Microgaming without a bonus.
 
I must confess this very thought crossed my mind recently when it seemed to happen to me exactly as described by OP.

I deposited £1000 on a casino to take advantage of a £1000 match, with 25x wagering. It took me a long, solid session lasting most of the day to meet WR, but for most of that I was doing remarkably well, up to about £4500 in profit, hitting bonus feature after bonus feature, big wins wtc. As I got to within about 85% of meeting WR, the wins seemed to stop coming and I was playing mainly from the profit I had built up, until this was down to only a few hundred.
I know I can't complain as I still ended up coming away "up" but it did seem a remarkable coincidence, and I even talked about it to a fellow-gambling fried who said he had noticed the same thing. I guess we shall never really know.:rolleyes:
 

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One of the really big changes I've noticed with RTG casinos over the past few years is they have gone from small 100% or 200% bonus offers to massive 500% -700% bonuses. Seems like a great deal for customers however I have also noticed numerous threads regarding RTG slots going cold when a player is close to reaching the bonus playthrough requirements.

Any opinions?

I dont know if its so much as going 'cold' but more along the lines of 'totally bored and tired of it - and playing stupid by the time, one nearly hits the wagering requirements':p

Well I know, that is how it is with me. I tend to play non-stop until I crack it or bust but the problem with that, is that when I've nearly met the requirements after hours and hours of playtime, Im just soooo bored or fed up with it, I end up playing incredibly stupid and throw it all away:oops:
 

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I dont know if its so much as going 'cold' but more along the lines of 'totally bored and tired of it - and playing stupid by the time, one nearly hits the wagering requirements':p

Well I know, that is how it is with me. I tend to play non-stop until I crack it or bust but the problem with that, is that when I've nearly met the requirements after hours and hours of playtime, Im just soooo bored or fed up with it, I end up playing incredibly stupid and throw it all away:oops:

Yeah that's been my experience on RTG as well, you just get bored and forget to check the current wagering requirement status... Then afterwards you see allot of comp points and you're like "what"? :what:
 

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One of the really big changes I've noticed with RTG casinos over the past few years is they have gone from small 100% or 200% bonus offers to massive 500% -700% bonuses. Seems like a great deal for customers however I have also noticed numerous threads regarding RTG slots going cold when a player is close to reaching the bonus playthrough requirements.

Any opinions?

Frankly I dont think this is the case. Cold spells from RTG play is commonplace and does not occur near the end of WRs. You cannot expect to play low throughout and survive the wagering especially at places like the JC Group(30xb+d) unless you play a high variance slot early, hit big and then switch to much lower variance slots. The only beef I have with rtg casinos is the standard20/25x(b+d). What the hell has the deposit got to clearance of the bonus? For MG clearpay, its normally 30xb. This standard rtg formula is designed to kill most bonus users to the point that they are unlikely to cash out before busting out. In case a player does beat the bonuses, he/she has very little to cash out sometimes having only 40-50% of the peak balance.
 

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I honestly don't see any difference with RTG slots. I never take bonuses but Desert Nights does have the 25% cashback on your deposits when you're finished losing so I'll take that once it builds up a bit.

I don't even remember the last time I opened the cashier and hadn't already cleared the WR. I don't really check very often because I can't be bothered unless I'm in a position to cash out anyway. In fact, I don't even think about the WR unless I'm in a position to cash out. What's the point?

If I start with $30 worth of bonus money my balance will bounce around + or - $20 for quite a long time before finally hitting that cold spell that takes it to zero. Usually by then the WR had long since been met. The only thing I find is that it takes far too long to get bonus features. That's what kills me every time.

As for lowering the RTP every year, I doubt it but things have changed. I used to get a lot more time for my money 5 years ago. Obviously something has changed because the software has been updated about a thousand times in the last 5 years and the games all look identical. Maybe they keep raising the variance so the RTP stays the same but the dry spells are longer than my small deposits can sustain. That would explain losing 100x or 150x my wager between bonus features that quite often pay most of it back. Usually it just cycles like that until I finally hit zero.

I know other people prefer to jack up their bets and hope for the best but I don't like going broke in 10 minutes so I keep the wagers low. RTG is one of the only softwares left that usually lets me low roll for quite a long time before bottoming out.
 

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Obviously something has changed because the software has been updated about a thousand times in the last 5 years and the games all look identical. Maybe they keep raising the variance so the RTP stays the same but the dry spells are longer...
i think the same 1 year ago i remember big win even with low bet and small win much more frequently now I played as always but my best is 80$ busted the day after..and lately in some thread i see often screen of 1$ or 2$ bonus round ridiculous
 

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I find it a little amuzing when these questions are popping up.
I saw a similar one in another forum where it actually was one of the moderators there who asked if the casinos had 'tighten' up after Christmas:eek2:

Looking at other threads here I find several about people having difficulties getting paid.
Obviously someone is winning, but it's maybe not you ;)

As long as you are using a bonus you take a risk, or a double really since you are risking your money too.
Try to play without for a while and see if it's different.

I still win and lose when I play. I lose more often, but when I win it's a higher amount so in the end it's not that different.
 

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Another Club World bust out. This has been the norm since I hit big a few months ago.

Deposited $90 got 100% match, 15xpt. Start with $180, have to pt $2,700

I am down to $19 right now and have $2,261 left to playthrough. Almost exactly 1 hour of playtime, mostly betting $0.50.

NOT ONE BONUS ROUND


Ok so don't take a bonus...did that last night. Made 2 deposits just a bit under $100 each, one of them busted out fairly quick, the other got up to $250, but alas I can't cashout until I make it to $350.

No more RTG for me.
 

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I've been hitting Aladdins gold hard this week and I have to say I will never use a bonus with rtg slots again. The excessive WR are near impossible to hit. Out of many deposits the only 2 I have been able to withdraw from have come from not using a bonus.

It's nice having a big bankroll with their 200% bonuses on every deposit but these slots can go hundreds and hundreds of spins with nothing which will ultimately kill you off.

I've never got near the end of a WR to know if they go cold, from what I have experienced it seems they all have very cold patches quite often then a flutter of big hits.

Even the guaranteed feature slots go cold and will keep going 100/125 spins to trigger the feature then it will pay 5/10 x stake, and then repeat this 3 or 4 times.
 

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I went against my own advice and played with a bonus last week, I am the same as above will never play with a bonus again, slotocash took half my withdrawal the amount that was the bonus as thanks to a big hit I pass the wagering, so pretty much all I had was disappointment.

So I will offer this, never take a big bonus with like 25xor 30x wagering, if by some chance you get a low playthrough no max cashout bonus then maybe but steer clear of bonus's, you have freedom if you do hit big to withdraw anytime and it's more fun knowing you already did a withdrawal and you are still playing with some if you do decide to keep a balance.:)
 

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I find it a little amuzing when these questions are popping up.
I saw a similar one in another forum where it actually was one of the moderators there who asked if the casinos had 'tighten' up after Christmas:eek2:

Looking at other threads here I find several about people having difficulties getting paid.
Obviously someone is winning, but it's maybe not you ;)

As long as you are using a bonus you take a risk, or a double really since you are risking your money too.
Try to play without for a while and see if it's different.

I still win and lose when I play. I lose more often, but when I win it's a higher amount so in the end it's not that different.

I never expected this from casinos. For us, its a different story as we ate too much during Chritmas and need to tighten up lol.
 
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