archive--problems/successes--November 1999

dave_r

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Oct 6, 1999
I did post the previous message either. Bryan - I know you know the IP's of whoever posts here. Ban this person FOREVER.

OK - I just got a $75 Halloween bonus from Gold Club, and turned it into $1007. Not bad at all for playing with other peoples money. It still doesn't beat Hitmob's remarkeable run from $88 comp points all the way to $2100 at English Harbor.

Hitmob, did you get that $2100 playing BJ?

Also, I recently won $2600 at Mapau, playing ties at Baccarat. This is rare for me, I almost never play ties because of the 14% house advantage.
But after noticing no ties for over 60 hands,
I decided to give it a shot. I won 2 $100 ties, then lost some $$ back playing roulette, and then won another 2 $100 ties. WOW.

Steve - did you ever get your $$ from Golden Palace (Ceasar's)???

I disagree with Timothy Chan that just because a casino is a member of IGC or EOGA, it doesn't cheat. IGC memberships are bought and paid for. Any casino or turnkey provider that wants IGC membership must pay $5000 per year. In return, the casino or turnkey provider must live up to Sue Schneider's (IGC) code of conduct. But ANY CASINO can agree to this code, and STILL CHEAT.
The reason is the cheating is UNDETECTABLE! By rigging the gaming servers, and manipulating the games, they can make insane profits, while at the same time still pretending to be an upstanding member of IGC. As long as the casino pays its customers, and provides audit trails, NOONE including Sue Schneider can prove otherwise.
I was an avid reader of www.rgtonline.com when Sue Schneider ran it, and its my opinion that she
cares more about the casinos then she does the player. The same is true now. The IGC is an indusrty trade organization that looks for ways for its members to increase profitability,
while at the same time helping its members fight the Kyle bill and other legal issues that are stumbling blocks.

EOGA was materminded by senior executives at Starnet. The reason is Starnet's licencees didn't want to have to pay the $5000 a year necessary for IGC membership. So instead, Starnet licencees now get FREE or discount membership into EOGA, which supposedly has a code of conduct very similar to that of IGC. HOWEVER, EOGA pretends to be an independent third party orginization, AND THIS SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE. In fact Starnet refuses to admit that it started EOGA. No wonder Levy complains so much about Starnet.

Having stated this negative info about Starnet, I would like to also state some positive info.
Starnet is one of the most legitimate turnkey providers in the industry and, depite Levy's claims, I trust the integrity of thier operation, as well as the fairness of the games (from the gambler's standpoint). I have been a player on these casinos for hours at a time for quite some time, and am still ahead of the game. I also know of other people that have done extremely well with Starnet casinos.

Next year Australia may be licencing more internet casinos. This is a very good sign, although there is still no guarantee a player won't get ripped off. (Unless they implement extremely strict regulation) There is also rumored that a land based casino in Australia will start an online casino with a live video feed to its land based operation. There will be gaming regulators on site to make sure all games are honest, and that the video feed has not been tampered with. And unlike First Live, you might actually get PAID! What a concept.
I'll give more info on this as soon as I hear it.
 

jeablue

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Nov 18, 2001
Hi all!

I know it's been awhile since I have posted. I have been sooo busy.
This is in response to REGE SEAMAN. I have insider information about a new startup casino construction company.
check out this web site

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There is a free beta download.
I did some research and found one of the partners of this web site, you can email him at cgscasinos@aol.com
He will respond to all inquiries within 24 hours.

These are NOT JAVA games.
This will blow your minds. (get your mind out of the gutter LVHM)
And get this! Their software costs are a lot less then the casinos on the web now.

The response has been overwhelming. They will be launching worldwide business operations in late December and are doing pre-sales now.
Try it out and let me know what you think.
It was great to see you all again..Jeablue
 
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Re casino solutions

Guest
have you got the full costings on them Jeablue??
 

steve_adkins

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Nov 24, 2003
No, those bastards still have not paid me. But I hit for $20,000 in the torpedo Friday night and had the money on Tuesday. That is the fastest ever.

Caesars Gold Online Casino Sucks
 

jeablue

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Nov 18, 2001
The packages sell for around $200k complete but you don't have to come up with the entire amount down.
They have four different installment options to get into the game.
It's kinda like you pay as you go.
Did you download the beta version? What do you think of it? I would love to hear your commments.
*waving at LVHM* Where are you? *wink*
 

steve_adkins

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Nov 24, 2003
I have read and looked over this scam where you buy in for so much get the bonus, make a few bets and cash out. I would like to think that the regulars who post here have not stooped to such a level.

You let a casino rip us off and we scream,bitch,moan, bellyache, threaten to kill.
Let us win and have to jump thru hoops to get our money in the name of security and we bitch a little more.

This system is nothing more than the brain storm of some unemployed, doesnt really have a life, bored, peon. Isnt this cheating, trying to beat the casino without really winning. Like trying to use a copy of a coupon at the store. Isn't there a moral issue there somewhere?

If you cannot win by skill, luck and knowledge. You should not gamble. If you have to make pocket change by buying in cashing out and hopefully get paid. You should not gamble online.

No wonder the security can be overwhelming at times. Look what they have to be on the look out for.

Owners give us that bonus so that we will try their casino. For someone to try to make pocket change at best doing this is not right.

Most casinos have a real tough policy on paying out the bonus. I doubt that it would even be worth attempting.

Ok, that is my two cents worth, I will shutup
 
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Rege Seaman

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Hello,
is anyone familiar with the Access Corporation and their "front" casino packages?
Aside from their asking price DOES their system
of providing you with a "front" workable.
If you advertise your "front" properly can you make money and if so what would be the low average per month that one would expect to make?
 

steve_adkins

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Nov 24, 2003
Rege,

BEWARE OF THE RESELLER PROGRAM FROM STARNET. I had a bit of trouble with it. Only because it does not work.

Ask to talk to Vince Vanhorn with the access corp.
He is the big cheese. Tell him if you buy a casino from them you have to be a sub-licensee and not a reseller. This license could be several thousand dollars extra but well worth the money. If you want to be a reseller, let me know and you can link to my casino and make a couple of thousand bucks a month.

You would be hard pressed to make much money on this reseller program from Starnet, but as a sublicensee you can make some good money.
 

dave_r

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Oct 6, 1999
Steve - although I do agree with most of your opinions, this time, I must beg to differ.

"The term ADVANTAGE PLAY can most often be used to describe advanced blackjack techniques such as shuffle tracking or sophisticated multi-level card counting which exceeds the parameters of normal play, but falls just short of cheating. The term should actually be applied to a much broader range of activities on a much wider scope of games..."

"There was a time back in the 1970s and 1980s when it was common to find slot machine players engagaing in ADVANTAGE PLAY by manipulating the handle while the reels were spinning in order to setup a pay-off on inherintly weak or maladjusted equipment. This technique called handle popping was considered a criminal activity until 1989 when the conviction of Harold Thomas Lyons was overturned. Justice Thomas Steffen wrote the majority 3-2 opinion for the Nevada Supreme Court which stated in part, 'Players engaging in handle manipulation do nothing more than take advantage of what the slot machines will give them.'... Essetially the Supreme Court put casinos all over the world on notice that they were responsible for properly maintaining thier equipment (theoretically the slot machines in question could not have been manipulated had they been maintained or serviced properly). If a casino gave away its 'edge', they should not turn around and blame the player for taking advantage of it."

"This is the same basic reasoning employed by blackjack players who engage in 'front-loading' or 'spooking'. They argue if a dealer is careless or sloppy, and gives away information by flashing the hole card as they bury it or peek under the up card, there is no moral imperative for them to 'look the other way' in order to protect the casino's interests. Casinos seem to agree because they rarely prosecute the players who take advantage of this 'give-away'. Instead they tend to write up the dealer for failing to follow established procedures, and/or provide additional traing to correct the problem. (This presumes the no information has pointed to a consipracy between a dealer and player to dump the game. If such a conspiracy did exist, bother the dealer and the player would be subject to criminal prosecution.)"

* Signature Bets by Marica McDowell

Jean Scott, dubbed the "Queen of Comps", takes advantage of every promotion, coupon, comp, and bonus that the casino makes available. She is an expert video poker player (much like Steve is) and plays machines with mostly 100% + payouts. She is able to travel the world and eat in the finest restaurants for free, all while making extra money on the side. If the casinos didn't want people taking advantage of these perks, they wouldn't give them out, or would have strict policies that prevent adbuses of such perks.

If someone online TAKES ADVANTAGE of new player bonuses on several online casinos, he is doing nothing illegal. He is following the casino's rules and regulations. He is placing the minimum number of bets required, and then cashing out. Certain online casinos do have lots of restrictions in order to cashout a bonus.

OTHERS DO NOT.

If a smart player is able to make a $4000 profit from new player bonuses, more power to him.

P.S. Steve - There is nothing wrong with using a copy of a coupon at the store. Stores wouldn't leave extra copies around if they didn't want people using them. This is not a moral issue.
 

steve_adkins

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Dave, there is a difference between someone who plays and takes advantage of comps and someone who places one bet and somehow thinks the casino owes them a bonus for a bet or two.

The difference is the play a person does. This scam can not even compare to someone who counts cards or plays skillfully in any casino game.

Why do coupons say may not be copied? Or altered in any way.
 
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Basher

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I have to agree with Steve about this scam. Card counting is not the same as this bonus scam.
 
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Dan

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I have to say Steve is on the money on this one.
Might be his first time being right.
 

dave_r

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Oct 6, 1999
Dan, if you agree with Steve, why did you logon to www.ragstorichescasino.com, deposit $200, grab the $20 bonus, and then logoff? Explain that one.
 

steve_adkins

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Nov 24, 2003
Damn, I must be wrong Dave. Believe me when you get Basher and Dan to agree with you. Well you know what I mean.

Dan, what you did to get a copy of my book was a very petty thing to do. Just as if you would buy in somewhere else for 100 get 10 in bonus money and cash out.

If everyone did that, the only ones who would lose would be the gamblers. The casinos would not offer such promotions anymore.

I was wondering, did anyone have any problems in a Starnet Casino this weekend? Like loseing credits?
 
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Dan

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steve, I agree with you because i thought you are right on this issue. You sent me a nasty email when I tried to get you to give me a free book for my little attempted scam. So I thought about it and you are right. So cut me some slack and stop being so rude to me. I really like reading your articles and columns and posts.
 
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Regular

Guest
OK Dan We'll give you some slack if you admitt that you never gambled at Island or first live casinos.
 
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Anonymous

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Steve is 100% about the comp issue. If everyone started "ripping" the casinos by taking advantage of their comps in an unfair way, then it sure is ridiculous to bitch and moan when they do something wrong.
 
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Anon

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All casinos rip you off with their software so why cant we rip them off with a bonus scam they get their money back with ripping people off anyway thats were they get there bonus money from
 

steve_adkins

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Nov 24, 2003
Boy anon to say that all casinos rip you off is a bold statement. I do not think that is the case.
I have hit a bunch of $20,000 hits. Sure your going to have your first lives, islands casinos and caesars. If you want to rip them off go ahead nobody would give two shits.

But the honest casinos (and yes there is) will only lower their payouts percentages to make up for the yo yos who rip them off. So that hurts the industry in general. Same idea as a shoplifter. All they do is make the rest of us pay higher prices.
 

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