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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by zman, Jun 28, 2005.

    Jun 28, 2005
  1. zman

    zman Dormant account

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    Location:
    Home
    Dealer [ 5h Th 7s ] (22)
    player [ Ks 2d 8c ] (20)
    player bet $2, collected $4, net +$2
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    Dealer [ Ks Jh ] (20)
    player [ 9h 2c 7d ] (18)
    player lost $4
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    Dealer [ 3c 7h 9h ] (19)
    player [ Th 8h ] (18)
    player lost $4
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 2h 3s 5s 7d ] (17)
    player [ Th 3d ] (13)
    player lost $10
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 9h 3d 2h 5s ] (19)
    player [ Ad 6d ] (17)
    player lost $14
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    Dealer [ Jd Qh ] (20)
    player [ 2c Ad 3c 2c ] (18)
    player lost $20
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    Dealer [ 6d 7s 8h ] (21)
    player [ 2s 5d 8h Ah 5d ] (21)
    player bet $25, collected $25, net +$0
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    Dealer [ 5h 7s 4c Jc ] (26)
    player [ 7c Js ] (17)
    player bet $25, collected $50, net +$25
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    Dealer [ 7c 5d Qd ] (22)
    player [ 9s 8s ] (17)
    player bet $25, collected $50, net +$25
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    Dealer [ 4c 8d 9s ] (21)
    player [ 2h As Ac Qh 4s ] (18)
    player lost $25
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    Dealer [ 5h 4d 7s 5c ] (21)
    player [ Jc 9h ] (19)
    player lost $25
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    Dealer [ 7d Td ] (17)
    player [ 9h 9c ] (18)
    player bet $25, collected $50, net +$25
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    Dealer [ 3c 8d Kc ] (21)
    player [ 2d Ks 7h ] (19)
    player lost $25
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    Dealer [ Js Qd ] (20)
    player [ 8c 9h ] (17)
    player lost $2
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    Dealer [ 6c 4s As ] (21)
    player [ 6d 6h ] (12)
    player lost $48
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    Dealer [ Ad 8d ] (19)
    player [ 2c Kc 2s 5s ] (19)
    player bet $50, collected $50, net +$0
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    Dealer [ Ts 2h 2h Kd ] (24)
    player [ Kc 5c ] (15)
    player bet $50, collected $100, net +$50
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    Dealer [ 5c 5h 9d ] (19)
    player [ Jd Kd ] (20)
    player bet $50, collected $100, net +$50
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    Dealer [ 9c 6c 9c ] (24)
    player [ Jc Tc ] (20)
    player bet $50, collected $100, net +$50
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    Dealer [ Qh Kd ] (20)
    player [ Qs 8s ] (18)
    player lost $50
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    Dealer [ 4h Td ] (14)
    player [ Ad 4d Kh Kc ] (25)
    player lost $50
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    Dealer [ 3c Jh 4d ] (17)
    player [ 9d 4h 7h ] (20)
    player bet $50, collected $100, net +$50
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    Dealer [ Qd 8h ] (18)
    player [ 7d 4d 8c ] (19)
    player bet $100, collected $200, net +$100
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    Dealer [ Js Ac ] (21)
    player [ 7c Kh ] (17)
    player lost $50
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    Dealer [ 3d 3s ] (6)
    player [ Jc Ah ] (21)
    player bet $50, collected $125, net +$75
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    Dealer [ 6c 5d Td ] (21)
    player [ Kd Jd ] (20)
    player lost $50
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    Dealer [ Qh 8c ] (18)
    player [ 5s 3h Ad ] (19)
    player bet $50, collected $100, net +$50
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    Dealer [ Qh Qs ] (20)
    player [ As 7s ] (18)
    player lost $50
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    Dealer [ 3s 8c 9h ] (20)
    player [ Td 7c ] (17)
    player lost $50
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    Dealer [ Ad 7h ] (18)
    player [ Jd Td ] (20)
    player bet $75, collected $150, net +$75
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    Dealer [ As Th ] (21)
    player [ 5s 5d ] (10)
    player lost $50
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    Dealer [ 3s 3h 8h 7d ] (21)
    player [ Kh 3s ] (13)
    player lost $50
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    Dealer [ Kc 3h 9c ] (22)
    player [ 2c 8c 4h ] (14)
    player bet $100, collected $200, net +$100
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    Dealer [ As 2s 4s 8s 9s ] (24)
    player [ 4d 7d 5s ] (16)
    player bet $100, collected $200, net +$100
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    Dealer [ Tc 8d ] (18)
    player [ 3c As 2d As Qh ] (17)
    player lost $25
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    Dealer [ Ad Ah Jh 8c ] (20)
    player [ Tc Ts ] (20)
    player bet $37.50, collected $25, net -$12.50
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    Dealer [ 6h Jc Jd ] (26)
    player [ 3d Qh Ah 6h ] (20)
    player bet $25, collected $50, net +$25
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    Dealer [ 8c 5c 9h ] (22)
    player [ Qc 4h ] (14)
    player bet $25, collected $50, net +$25
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    Dealer [ 5c 4s Qc ] (19)
    player [ 3d 4c Qc ] (17)
    player lost $25
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    Dealer [ Ks 6s Qd ] (26)
    player [ 3d 2s 5s 7h ] (17)
    player bet $25, collected $50, net +$25
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    Dealer [ Td 2d 8d ] (20)
    player [ Jh Qc ] (20)
    player bet $25, collected $25, net +$0
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    Dealer [ Ad Ad 2s 4h ] (18)
    player [ 9c Qs ] (19)
    player bet $25, collected $50, net +$25
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    Dealer [ Qh Js ] (20)
    player [ 6s 3c 5s 4c ] (18)
    player lost $25
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    Dealer [ Qc Js ] (20)
    player [ Td 4d ] (14)
    player bet $25, collected $12.50, net -$12.50
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    Dealer [ Qh 6h Js ] (26)
    player [ 6d Kc ] (16)
    player bet $20, collected $40, net +$20
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    Dealer [ Th Ac ] (21)
    player [ 5c 6h ] (11)
    player lost $20
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    Dealer [ 8d 8h 2s ] (18)
    player [ 8h 4s 7s ] (19)
    player bet $20, collected $40, net +$20
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    Dealer [ 4d 7d 3d 5s ] (19)
    player [ 4d 3c Qh ] (17)
    player lost $20
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 5c 5h Ks ] (20)
    player [ 2d Jd ] (12)
    player lost $20
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 4c 5h Qd ] (19)
    player [ Qh 6h ] (16)
    player lost $20
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 3h 7s ] (10)
    player [ 2s Td Qh ] (22)
    player lost $60
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    Dealer [ 6h Qh 4h ] (20)
    player [ 4d Qs 6h ] (20)
    player bet $50, collected $50, net +$0
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    Dealer [ Qh 3h Jd ] (23)
    player [ Kc 5c ] (15)
    player bet $50, collected $100, net +$50
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    Dealer [ Td Kd ] (20)
    player [ Jh 3s Qd ] (23)
    player lost $50
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 3s Kh Qh ] (23)
    player [ 5c 6c 9c ] (20)
    player bet $100, collected $200, net +$100
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    Dealer [ Ad 8d ] (19)
    player [ Th 7h ] (17)
    player lost $100
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 2s Kh 5d ] (17)
    player [ Ks 7c ] (17)
    player bet $100, collected $100, net +$0
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    Dealer [ 6d Js Jd ] (26)
    player [ Ac 7h ] (18)
    player bet $100, collected $200, net +$100
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    Dealer [ Kh Ts ] (20)
    player [ 8c Ts ] (18)
    player lost $100
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ Qh 5d ] (15)
    player [ Qd Ad ] (21)
    player bet $100, collected $250, net +$150
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    Dealer [ Ah 2s 9d 8s ] (20)
    player [ 3s 9c 3d ] (15)
    player lost $100
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    Dealer [ As Jc ] (21)
    player [ 8h 7c ] (15)
    player lost $100
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 3s 2h 8d As 2s 3s ] (19)
    player [ Qs 3h ] (13)
    player lost $100
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 4d As Qd 9h ] (24)
    player [ 8s 9s ] (17)
    player bet $100, collected $200, net +$100
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    Dealer [ 6d Jc ] (16)
    player [ 7d 9s ] (16)
    player bet $100, collected $50, net -$50
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    Dealer [ Th Kd ] (20)
    player [ 8h 9c ] (17)
    player lost $100
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Dealer [ 4c Jc 7h ] (21)
    player [ Qs 8d ] (18)
    player lost $100
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  2. Jun 28, 2005
  3. zman

    zman Dormant account

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    Location:
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    Might have been bad luck one more, but those 21 scare me
     
  4. Jun 28, 2005
  5. zman

    zman Dormant account

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    13/67 dealer had 21
    16/67 dealer had 20

    Can anyone work out the % of having 29/67 with dealer having 20 and above.

    This was at the BJ section of paradise poker.
     
  6. Jun 28, 2005
  7. eek

    eek Dormant account

    The odds of 20/21 vary with the dealer upcard.

    I make the average to be around 26.8% for 20/21

    You got 43%, but it is a very small sample, you really need two or three hundred hands on a single session to do some decent digging with the stats.
     
  8. Jun 28, 2005
  9. zman

    zman Dormant account

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    WTF they sent me a reply.

    They said after each deal, the full shoe of 8 decks is reshuffled...... :eek:
     
  10. Jun 28, 2005
  11. mgibson99

    mgibson99 Dormant account

    Location:
    Washington DC
    I did this very quickly in my head (so the numbers might be a little off), but it looks like you had 30 wins/pushes out of 67 hands. You bet about $3200, and ending up losing about $200. You were placing reasonably large bets (many at $100 per hand).....you won some, you lost some.

    On the hands where you bet $50 or more you basically were 50-50 (wins/pushes vs losses). This would seem to alleviate the fear (unfounded in reputable casinos) that we sometimes hear about casinos "flipping the switch" when bets are increased.

    A little bad luck? Yes. Suspicious? Not at all from what you've shown us. I've seen (and experienced) much worse at land based and on line casinos.
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2005
  12. Jun 28, 2005
  13. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    The probability of the dealer getting 20 or 21, including BJ, is about 30%.
    The exact probability depends on the number of decks and whether the dealer sits soft 17 or not.
     
  14. Jun 29, 2005
  15. vgyhnji

    vgyhnji Experienced Member

    If you ever want to see the dealer get hatfuls of 20, 21 and BJ's then just go play at Odds On (English Harbour etc).

    One day when I have money and time to waste I shall put together some serious stats for that software - I am sure it will not make good reading! :eek:
     

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